Leaderhead Database and Request thread

[kochman]

If you search for a Great Leader of Romania, i suggest the most famous military commander:

Gabriel Bethlen (1580 - 1629)

Uh, he's Hungarian.

There are tons of Romanian leaders out there. My civ that I added had 3, Ioan Cuza, Vlad III Tepes, Mihai the Brave.
There is also Stefan cel Mare (the Great)...

 

[MadmanOfALeader]

The trouble is that Cuza is nothing more than a reskinned Napoleon.

 

[kochman]

Pretty accurate though.

 

[The Capo]

I think, based on that picture, a new Cuza could certainly be made. I'd personally use San Martin as a base, although because of the jawline I see some elements of Caesar, Augustus, and Alexander in there too. Napoleon wasn't a bad choice either, but I think it is time to get beyond that old standby. There were a lot of LHs made based on Nappy.

I am not volunteering for it now BTW, but in time I could see that as a project.

 

[Manifold]

You are right with his ethnic group. Thats why i always play civ4 with Queen Victoria of germany

Gabriel Bethlen is definitive the begin of european cognition of a state east of Hungary in the Carpathians (In his time the Kingdom of Hungary was governed by the House of Habsburg). At latest the romanian history is a academic battleground. So your opinion is not false!

I suggest Gabriel Bethlen for Romania, because he is the only military commander with his base in Romania (Siebenbürgen is not a part of Hungary) taking crucial part of a supra-regional conflict. This is not bad, the Romanians must be very peacefully people.

 

[kochman]

You are right with his ethnic group. Thats why i always play civ4 with Queen Victoria of germany

Gabriel Bethlen is definitive the begin of european cognition of a state east of Hungary in the Carpathians (In his time the Kingdom of Hungary was governed by the House of Habsburg). At latest the romanian history is a academic battleground. So your opinion is not false!

I suggest Gabriel Bethlen for Romania, because he is the only military commander with his base in Romania (Siebenbürgen is not a part of Hungary) taking crucial part of a supra-regional conflict. This is not bad, the Romanians must be very peacefully people.

Its not an opinion, its a fact. The guy was a Hungarian.

Basically, he was a regional leader. And his region was a part of the Hungarian empire at the time. He would be a better Hungarian leader. I understand he was an anti-Hapsburg leader, that doesn't make him Romanian. He wasn't trying to make a Romanian state, but be independent as a Hungarian state.

During that time, Transylvania (Siebenburgen) was a part of Hungary. Today it is a part of Romania. He was a leader then, not now.

My point is, not a bad idea for a leader, just a better leader for the Hungarians rather than the Romanians. Like Matthai Corvin or Hundayi... and they were even part Romanian... but their allegiance was to Hungary, therefore Hungarian leaders.
Vikky, while of Germanic descent (heck, when was the last king/queen of England of English descent?), her allegiance was to England.

 

[The Capo]

Vikky, while of Germanic descent (heck, when was the last king/queen of England of English descent?), her allegiance was to England.

This is true. The leader should lead the country they lead.

Sounds simple, but some people do not grasp such a simple concept. I mean Catherine wasn't RUSSIAN technically speaking, but even in her own words she "became" Russian.

 

[IgorS]

This is true. The leader should lead the country they lead.

Sounds simple, but some people do not grasp such a simple concept. I mean Catherine wasn't RUSSIAN technically speaking, but even in her own words she "became" Russian.

That's right.
Catherine was German, Victoria was German, Stalin was Georgian, Saladin was Kurdish, Napoleon was Italian... I don't know if there are more examples. These people became a part of the country they led. Which wasn't too hard for Stalin because he led the Soviet people, not the Russian people, but still- Russia was the main republic of the USSR, after all.

 

[MadmanOfALeader]

That's right.
Catherine was German, Victoria was German, Stalin was Georgian, Saladin was Kurdish, Napoleon was Italian... I don't know if there are more examples. These people became a part of the country they led. Which wasn't too hard for Stalin because he led the Soviet people, not the Russian people, but still- Russia was the main republic of the USSR, after all.

Technically, Napoleon was Corsican.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Technically, Napoleon was Corsican.

and technically, Corsicans are Italians.

 

[The Capo]

And technically Corsicans are French citizens.

 

[TheLastOne36]

And technically Corsicans are French citizens.

And technically so are Polynesians.

 

[IgorS]

And technically so are Polynesians.

French Polynesians, that is.

 

[Manifold]

So french Polynesians are somehow Europeans. And somehow i am than a Polynesian as well?!?

Back to Romania:
Probably Vlad III is the best known leader of Romania. And there already exist an excellent LH by C.Roland.
In advance to your comments: I know he only was a walachian voivode and not a romanian ruler (i dont know if his gandmother was a Polynesian, she is probably unknown).

 

[IgorS]

So french Polynesians are somehow Europeans. And somehow i am than a Polynesian as well?!?

They're not Europeans, they're citizens of a European country that rules over them.

 

[Manifold]

@IgorS: They pay with Euro.

 

[IgorS]

@IgorS: They pay with Euro.

That's because they use French currency, which happens to be the Euro. That still doesn't make them Europeans.

 

[GeoModder]

That's because they use French currency, which happens to be the Euro. That still doesn't make them Europeans.

I bet their identity cards say something else.

 

[IgorS]

I bet their identity cards say something else.

There's a difference between nationality and ethnicity. French Polynesians are Polynesian people under French rule- it doesn't make them French, it makes them French citizens. They are Oceanians and not Europeans.

 

[MadmanOfALeader]

Let's get topical again...

Eleftherios Venizelos. Come on, this guy is to the Greeks what Atatürk is to the Turks.