leaders for the the next ex pack

[Wodan]

If no-ones mentioned him, and if he's not in the game already (dont have it... yet) -
Henry VIII

Too many Brit leaders already. Besides, I'm descended from Henry VIII. Would be too wierd. (I'm descended from George Washington, too, well, Martha since George didn't have any of their own kids, just the ones from Martha's first marriage, and that's wierd enough for me playing him. )

Wodan

 

[Wodan]

Back on track, I was thinking how about Ethiopia as a new civ? They were once a fairly powerful nation, I believe (a long time ago), and I think the game could do with another African civ

Weren't they the last African nation to be conquered by a European nation, holding on until the 1930s?

Axum would be better than Ethiopia. Unless that's what you mean when you say Ethiopia. From what I understand they were at one time had a pretty big sea-going commercial empire. Even conquered part of the arabian peninsula. Their empire, however, wasn't so big in territory but more so in commerce. Umm, here: http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/12/08/ethiopias-geography-through-history/

Wodan

 

[Morholt]

Thutmoses III should definitely be in as an egyptian leader, he is far more deserving than Ramses II.

Also, Gustav Adolf and Gustav II Adolf are the same person.

 

[neferator]

Axum would be better than Ethiopia. Unless that's what you mean when you say Ethiopia. From what I understand they were at one time had a pretty big sea-going commercial empire. Even conquered part of the arabian peninsula. Their empire, however, wasn't so big in territory but more so in commerce. Umm, here: http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/12/08/ethiopias-geography-through-history/

Wodan

I have heard of Axum. However weren't they just a dynasty? I'm so confused by Ethiopian history... as far as I can tell, Axum and Ethiopia were pretty much the same thing?

 

[Tekee]

I dont think they should add New Leaders for ones with 3
But anyways this will never happen but Russia should have OLGA, she's like the oldest known Ruler of Russia but well

 

[Arwon]

If we're only getting new leaders for a few civs, I'd think that civilisations with a better-known history and a longer time-span would be more likely to get them. Civs like Spain, Japan, Arabia and Ottoman Empire which at present only have one leader but plenty of potential for others.

For Spain, Charles V (Carlos I) really is the obvious choice and probably differentiated enough, historically to warrant inclusion, but I suppose his status as Holy Roman Emperor is potentially a little problematic. I'd expect him to be some combination of Imperialistic (conquest of the Americas), Financial (the largesse of said conquests) and Spiritual (duh).

Other slightly more left-field options would be Francisco Franco (his origins and legacy is really more complex than just "evil fascist") or even Juan Carlos I (given his massive influence over the birth of democratic Spain).

 

[Kenderr]

Juan Carlos I is a bad selection. For spain you have Charles I but you can have Felipe V the first borbon king, very important for the country, or Carlos III the ilustrated king.

Filip II is a bad choice becose is too similar to Isabel.

 

[XxtraLarGe]

Just give me Hamurabi and the Freakin' Babylonians back!!!

 

[Bast]

jamesI for england
james III for scotland

James IV of Scotland. You're talking about Mary Queen of Scots' son right?

Anyway, how about Marie Antoinette for France? One can dream?

 

[gettingfat]

For the Asian civs:

Emperor Tang Taizong (financial and Imperialistic/creative) for Chinese - he probably represents the peak of the ancient Chinese civ.

Oda Nobunaga (aggressive and financial) or Toyotomi Hideyoshi (aggressive and imperialistic) for Japanese - Although Toku is the official unifier of Japan in Sengoku period, he is often considered as the least capable out of the big three. His success was more due to his long age. The other two make a more interesting leader.

Sejong the Great (creative and charismatic) for Korea - one of the only two emperors hailed as "the Great". He oversaw the invention of Hangul (the Korean script used nowadays), strengthened Korean military and economy. I guess he deserves the honor of representing the Koreans.

 

[BenniusCaesar]

Lots of obscurity here! Shouldn't it be someone REALLY famous? Some of the less successful civs don't have many options, but Romans and Greeks, come on they deserve 3 surely!

I think the third Roman would probably have to be Constantine? Just to give them a spiritual leader which they really need because the embrace of Christianity by the Roman ruling class is really the only reason it's the biggest religion in the world today.

Greece! They still only have one right? Come on! Surely Pericles has to get put in at least?

Agree that the Babylonians and Hammurabi should probably be in there.

Ummm.. what else. I just want to re-emphasise, the Greeks & Romans get treated really poorly. They are basically the founders of the whole world order we know today. They should have at least 3 rulers and appear in more games, I only get the Romans in my games if I play them myself and Alex being the only Greek ruler means they are always behaving like aggressive barbarians and never the great classical civ they were!!

Persia could do with another one. Maybe a more militaristic set of traits for Cyrus and then give us Darius with a more organized/financial set up.

America deserves another one as well. I suppose it's gotta be Lincoln right?

I am really happy with what they did with Mongols - Kublai, civilized and cultured and Ghengis an aggressive maniac. It's a great contrast, well done on that one.

 

[Bast]

What should Pericles' traits be?

 

[hitlerII]

Ah yes - Gilgamesh i was going to put him yesterday, but my internet went down (so i played a dif war game - Empire Earth) and he was on it. I was thinking about Great People that really were great (Einstein for example - since AFAIK he's not a GS) as a mod or something.

 

[Kain3]

Here's a few for existing Civs:

Arabia:
-Harun al-Rashid (Philosophical, Spiritual)
-Omar (Expansive, Spiritual)

America:
-Thomas Jefferson (Philosophical, Expansive)

Greece:
-Pericles (Charismatic, Creative)

Roman Empire
-Traianus (Aggressive, Expansive)
-Marcus Aurelius (Philosophical, Protective)
(he would be a different type of play with Rome)

Ottomans:
-Suleiman the Magnificent (Charismatic, Creative)

Incas:
-Atahuallpa (Protective, Spiritual)

 

[Reprisal]

Sun Yatsen would be an excellent addition to the group of Chinese leaders. I would likely put him as favouring Nationalism, with his traits being Charismatic and Financial.

Gustavus Adolphus would also be a good addition to the Scandinavians, he's perhaps my favourite European monarch.

If there are to be any new European civilizations, I think Poland would be a good choice. Their unique unit should probably be based off the Knight, though I have no idea what the improvement could be...

 

[neferator]

I think I mentioned Poland too - so that's two votes for Poland

 

[mutax2003]

I would like to see an option for a custom civ, with a certain number of bonus points you can use to config your UU and civ-specific building.

 

[BomberTank]

IMO I find too many optional leaders kinda stupid ... lets add some more civs into the picture instead -- not fun playing with 3 americas in one game in fact I disallow it in my games

 

[neferator]

I'd like to see both more civs and new leaders - variety is good

 

[Bast]

America:
-Thomas Jefferson (Philosophical, Expansive)

How about Philosophical and Creative?