leaders for the the next ex pack

[Swein Forkbeard]

I would also like to see Israel, not because of Judaism, but because of the wars they got involved in during the 20th and 21st centuries.

 

[Infantry#14]

How about YOU, the person who actually plays this game and allow to pick your own traits but no unique units and unique buildings

 

[Öjevind Lång]

How about YOU, the person who actually plays this game and allow to pick your own traits but no unique units and unique buildings

Cool idea, but why not unique units and unique buildings?

By the way, I wish they would bring back the old-unnerfed Redcoat. If they can have such a powerful killing machine as the Praetorian early in the game, I really don't see why they couldn't have left the Redcoat alone too.

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

The Spanish shouldn't just be like "convert to our religion or you DIE!!!". They should get another leader in the expansion pack, at the very least, it should be Francisco Franco.

The Japanese shouldn't just be isolationists. They should also a have a new leader, at the very least, Emperor Hirohito, at the very most, Emperor Meiji (was he the leader whose reign featured the Meiji restoration?).

The Greeks shouldn't just be Aggressive maniacs. They should have a more peaceful leader with them, probably Pericles.

I can't understand why Julius Caesar stands in front of the Pantheon; it didn't exist during his time. Perhaps the Caesars should switch backgrounds?

America should have an Imperialistic leader (it is the world's 3rd largest country today, right?). That would definetely be James K. Polk.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

The Spanish shouldn't just be like "convert to our religion or you DIE!!!". They should get another leader in the expansion pack, at the very least, it should be Francisco Franco.

Franco was not a great leader. He was just a murderous General who instituted a coup long after Spain had lost its position as a great power. He was also a very bigoted Catholic. If you want a nicer Spanish alternative, pick someone like... umm... actually, it's hard to find a single Spanish leader during that country's age of greatness who wasn't a religious fanatic. LOL.

 

[Wodan]

The Spanish shouldn't just be like "convert to our religion or you DIE!!!". They should get another leader in the expansion pack, at the very least, it should be Francisco Franco.

The Japanese shouldn't just be isolationists. They should also a have a new leader, at the very least, Emperor Hirohito, at the very most, Emperor Meiji (was he the leader whose reign featured the Meiji restoration?).

The Greeks shouldn't just be Aggressive maniacs. They should have a more peaceful leader with them, probably Pericles.

I can't understand why Julius Caesar stands in front of the Pantheon; it didn't exist during his time. Perhaps the Caesars should switch backgrounds?

America should have an Imperialistic leader (it is the world's 3rd largest country today, right?). That would definetely be James K. Polk.

I totally agree with the sentiment... a second leader for Spain, Japan and Greece would be VERY well done.

That said, Polk? Franco? A bit of a stretch.

Wodan

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

I can understand why you wouldn't want Franco in the game, but no Polk?! He was a VERY important leader in American history!

Actually, America does need a 3rd leader, but if it's not Polk, then it will have to be Jefferson or Monroe. I think Monroe or Polk (not Lincoln or Jefferson as most people are saying) should make the cut for the next expansion.

Rome is VERY inaccurate right now with the backgrounds and leaders. What I said earlier aside, one of the Caesars keeps mentioning the Colosseum now and then. I don't remember who, but the Colosseum was built in 80 AD, after the death of both Caesars. If Firaxis wants to keep that mentioning in, they should include Hadrian in the next expansion and make him say that about watching lions in the Colosseum (something like that). Hadrian should also have Julius Caesar's present background; he built the Pantheon witch is currently JC's background. The only problem is that I don't have a clue what Julius Caesar's background would be otherwise.

Franco may have been known for a bloody regime with a lot of massacring, but the same was true for Stalin and he still made the cut for Warlords.

 

[Wodan]

I can understand why you wouldn't want Franco in the game, but no Polk?! He was a VERY important leader in American history!

We could say the same thing about a dozen different people.

The US, more than most nations / civs, has thrived through change. It has been a place where individuals can make a huge impact upon history. Thus, we can literally point to quite a few people who have made such a mark, and claim they were "VERY important leaders".

Not to belittle your input, just to say that in my mind, Polk does not stand out. Put him in another country at another point in time, and that would well be different. However, viewed in the grand scheme of American history, he is exceptional, I agree; but he does not stand out.

Actually, America does need a 3rd leader,

I'm not sure I would want ANY civ to have a 3rd leader, but if there was one, I suppose America would be as palatable as any. I would, nevertheless, prefer to have a new civ, you name it. Sweden, for one. Just me.

Rome is VERY inaccurate right now with the backgrounds and leaders. What I said earlier aside, one of the Caesars keeps mentioning the Colosseum now and then. I don't remember who, but the Colosseum was built in 80 AD, after the death of both Caesars. If Firaxis wants to keep that mentioning in, they should include Hadrian in the next expansion and make him say that about watching lions in the Colosseum (something like that). Hadrian should also have Julius Caesar's present background; he built the Pantheon witch is currently JC's background. The only problem is that I don't have a clue what Julius Caesar's background would be otherwise.

Agree with all this, and more.

Franco may have been known for a bloody regime with a lot of massacring, but the same was true for Stalin and he still made the cut for Warlords.

I personally didn't give any credence to the methods of him, or others. Don't read into what I was saying.

Wodan

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

Maybe the Viking civilization should become Scandinavia so that we can have Gustavus Adolphus as a new leader for the Scandinavian civilization.

 

[aronnax]

China - Mao is FINE! China is communist today, so why not include China's first communist leader (no matter how selfish he was).
Egypt - Cleopatra was actually Macedonian. Her Egypt was the last of Alexander the Great's empire to fall into Roman hands.
England - I'd rather have Henry V. He won the Battle of Agincourt against all odds.
France - I second Charlemagne. Jeanne d' Arc is too young to lead France. In my game of Warlords that I was just playing, I discovered Fascism first, therefore getting the Free Great General named Jeanne d' Arc. Her going up from a prophet (like somebody said so) to a general is ENOUGH!!!
Germany - I want Hitler in the game! It's a surprise that he's not in already. I also like the Barbarossa idea (Frederick I Barbarossa did reforge the Holy Roman Empire). Maybe Arminius can be a German leader as well to give Germany a little "Ancient stuff".
Ottomans - Whoever said Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is out of control here! Ataturk ENDED the Ottoman Empire. I do like the Suleiman the Magnificent and Osman ideas, though. Maybe it should just be called a generic Turkish civilization instead of Ottomans.
Japan - Hirohito is definetely the best idea for a new Japanese leader. I suppose Hideyoshi Toyotomi, Oda Nobunaga, and Jimmu (the first emperor of Japan) could also work.

I dont think Hitler shoud be in the game for the good of the game, I mean we fanatics dont care but what about the PRESS!!!!

Cleo should be in there, i mean she did improve the economic situation in egypt before it fell, and she was a true egyptian, although macedonian of blood as she would die for her country and flirted for its protection. I mean Catherine of Russia was german and she was a great russian who was a bit of a flirt.

I still hate Zedong. Plus why is Gandhi in there? I know he was a great political power but he never actually ruled India.

Korea needs soneone else then a crazy communist as a leader choice, i mean COME ON!!!!! Maybe like Sejong the Great of Joseon. He encouraged literature and education and was a great millitary leader

France can also have Charles VII, although he left Joan to die he did win the HUndreds years war and unite the rest of france

I wanted Henry VIII as he was king during english reinassce

 

[Wodan]

Maybe the Viking civilization should become Scandinavia so that we can have Gustavus Adolphus as a new leader for the Scandinavian civilization.

Hmm, there's some historical precedent for that, back in the 1200's-1400's or so. At least, they were nominally one country, until the Swedes broke away.

But, I'd think Swedish players would have a big problem with that idea. It would be like... well, I can't think of an analogy. But, Sweden fought the Danes for hundreds of years. Fought to be independent, and kept fighting to stay that way. By the time of Gustavus they were firmly established as independent and their own country, and had been for quite a while.

After that time, there isn't really any precedent.

So, I guess I'm saying the idea doesn't seem to work, not historically anyway. There's some precedent, but when you look closer it falls apart.

Wodan

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

I dont think Hitler shoud be in the game for the good of the game, I mean we fanatics dont care but what about the PRESS!!!!

Cleo should be in there, i mean she did improve the economic situation in egypt before it fell, and she was a true egyptian, although macedonian of blood as she would die for her country and flirted for its protection. I mean Catherine of Russia was german and she was a great russian who was a bit of a flirt.

I still hate Zedong. Plus why is Gandhi in there? I know he was a great political power but he never actually ruled India.

Korea needs soneone else then a crazy communist as a leader choice, i mean COME ON!!!!! Maybe like Sejong the Great of Joseon. He encouraged literature and education and was a great millitary leader

France can also have Charles VII, although he left Joan to die he did win the HUndreds years war and unite the rest of france

I wanted Henry VIII as he was king during english reinassce

If not Hitler, then put Hindenburg as a new German leader. Even if Germany lost WWI (Hindenburg was a German general then), Hindenburg saw Germany through the Great Depression, which was a great feat for his time (but wait, FDR also saw America through the Depression, so I guess not that great of a feat).

If Cleopatra is fine, then so is Ptolemy I, and I'd like to have him in the game more than I want Cleo in. Ptolemy I did found the Great Library of Alexandria, after all. He also had Pyrrhus of Epirus as his prisoner once.

If you don't want Gandhi in because he didn't actually "rule" India, then I suggest you also have complaints about Hannibal.

Wang Kon is NOT communist!!! I don't really have another choice for a Korean leader, probably Warlord Yi Songyye or Admiral Yi-Shun-Shin.

Charles VII? Good idea, but I was thinking we could have Charles de Gaulle in. Besides, Firaxis already has a leaderhead for him.

England has enough leaders. If you want a new one, then I suggest the Duke of Wellington.

 

[aronnax]

Wang Kon is NOT communist!!! I don't really have another choice for a Korean leader, probably Warlord Yi Songyye or Admiral Yi-Shun-Shin.

Not him!!! What i meant was that many people suggested Kim Il-sung and I dont really want him as what the hell did he do?

I have a few more

Persia - Abbas I of Persia, the stae he ruled had always been a violent one but during his reign, it was a cultural hotspot of the islamic world and a cultural and political renaissance. He also reconquered the persian gulf from the ottomans and expanded into central Asia

China - Zhu Yuanzhang, a peasant who overthrew the mongols and founded th ming dynasty, he had a policy that greatly hepled the poor and farmers

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

Persia - I'd want another Achaemenid leader (ex. Darius, Xerxes). Failing that, a Sassanid leader. I also saw Tamerlane suggested, but it would make more sense if he would become a new Mongolian leader.

China - I like your idea about the first Ming emperor. I also saw Yongle suggested.

 

[scy12]

Greece should add Pericles . I reckon he must be Creative Philosophical . Philosophical - creative for obvious "historical" reasons (remember Pericles Athens golden age). I also believe that would be a great combination. Alexander can change to Charismatic , aggresive or remain the same it works both ways.
There is also Eleftherios Benizelos best modern Greek ruler and the best of all regardless of nation in my opinion of the 20th century. By diplomatic success and organizing Greece economy to sustain war he lead Greece to The Balcanian wars success . He should be in but the problem is what trait combination he should use ... I think organized is a given then Charismatic or Financial. Organized Charismatic would be a great combination . As he is a modern ruler his Ub should be a modern one.
Then their is Constantine the ruler of the Eastern Roman Empire. I don't think he should be added but if he is i think Spiritual is a great choice for a trait. It doesn't matter if he personally believed in God , just the fact that he used religion in great effect to control his empire is the best justification for having that trait. Aggresive , imperialistic , financial , anything can be the other one.

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

Pericles, Constantine, these are all good ideas.

Cleopatra's acceptable, as long Firaxis makes a leader of military exploits (Charismatic/Spiritual with an Aggressive personality; well, in the league of Mao or Caesar, not as maniacal as Alex or Monty).

 

[scy12]

Pericles, Constantine, these are all good ideas.

Cleopatra's acceptable, as long Firaxis makes a leader of military exploits (Charismatic/Spiritual with an Aggressive personality; well, in the league of Mao or Caesar, not as maniacal as Alex or Monty).

Thank you. Although i belive that Benizelos owuld be also a very good choice .
Well for once i would like a not spiritual Egyptian . Yes it does combo well for pyramids but Cleopatra would be better with a more economic traits. Charismatic - Financial ?

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

Cleopatra's trait combos:

Charismatic/Spiritual

Financial/Charismatic

Spiritual/Financial

Charismatic/Creative

 

[Infantry#14]

for China, I think maybe an emperor from tang dynasty since this is the golden age of art in China (perhaps the only Empress in Chinese history?)

for America, how about Teddy Roosevelt eh?

 

[SkippyT]

....or good ol' Abe Lincoln - Charismatic/Organized. Fav. civic: Emancipation