Leaders that you would not want to have in civ 7 (until you think about it and they are strangely appealing)

Paisley_Trees said:
How about Machiavelli for an exploration age Florence? 🤔
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That's one I would be delighted to see. But I'd rather see him as Rousseau saw him, as a political satirist.
 
moysturfurmer said:
Oh for sure, but I would presume Alex and Genghis are held in high regard in Greece and Mongolian respectively (this is just assumption on my part, I admit) and I again assume that Mexico doesn’t esteem the Aztecs as vital to their national Identity as much as the anti-colonialists and revolutionaries of the last couple of centuries. I get your meaning though.
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I have been to Mongolia. I can say very clearly that Chinggis Khan (Ghengis Khan) is held in the very highest of regards. In fact, if you publically criticize him, you would very likely end up in the hospital or even dead.

Every culture has their taboos and this is a very strong one in Mongolia. Don't disrespect or criticize Chinggis Khan. The family I stayed with made sure to tell me at the start of my visit.
 
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Timur. Woulda beat Ghengis with an equivalent army.
William the Conqueror.
Alfred the Great.
Clovis.

would never happen, but, Richard Nixon. Unique leader bonus; ability to sabotage another leaders initation of peace talks for 10 turns, ability to initiate combat and pillage tiles on the border without a declaration of war. Unique unit? B-52. Can bomb 3 improved tiles in one turn. I'd like the dark comedy of it.
 
Elizabeth Bathory: sacrifices new population so she can be immortal.

Of course leaders are always immortal, so her bonus wouldn't really work. But since we are going on about evil leaders, this one takes the cake. Speaking of cake, there's always Marie Antoinette.
 
Rasputin is the best pick in the thread. Honestly, it would be so fun to see him in game, and not hard at all to picture.

If any artist makes it in the game, I have to think it would be Picasso. But I also have a feeling Isabella's coming back.

Could we see a businessperson? With US & Japan already called, the names I'd have in mind are unlikely. But it could happen.

I'm surprised we haven't seen Metternich in Civ before, but now could finally be his time. Alongside Austria, he's more likely for an expansion than the base game.

And I'd bet on Elizabeth, but Sir Philip Sidney would be a fun choice for England.
 
I know this is supposed to be a thread about leaders you DON’T want to see, but I saw someone in another thread suggest Marco Polo as a leader and honestly I think that would be my favourite use of the expanded leader options.
 
Spartacus, Cicero, Leonardo da Vinci, Stańczyk, Richelieu or Mazarin, Oliver Cromwell, Vladimir Lenin
 
Voidwalkin said:
Timur. Woulda beat Ghengis with an equivalent army.
William the Conqueror.
Alfred the Great.
Clovis.

would never happen, but, Richard Nixon. Unique leader bonus; ability to sabotage another leaders initation of peace talks for 10 turns, ability to initiate combat and pillage tiles on the border without a declaration of war. Unique unit? B-52. Can bomb 3 improved tiles in one turn. I'd like the dark comedy of it.
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Don't go to Mongolia. 🙃
 
I unironically think we're getting a philosopher as the Greek leader, but whether that's Plato, Socrates or Aristotle, idk. I feel similarly about Ché Guevara, actually.

Joked about him before, but: Descartes or Voltaire.

Machiavelli or Cesare Borgia for a more villainous leader.

Cortes or Stuyvesant for a Colonial leader.

For military leaders Sun Tzu and Michiel de Ruyter.

Also a resolute YES to Sid Meier. :lol:
 
Siptah said:
- Karl Marx
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No to Marx. Every death under Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Xi Jinping, and other commie dictators is ultimately attributable to Marx himself.

Haig said:
Che Guevara
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Absolutely not. His very face is the equivalent of a swastika - a hate symbol utterly outside the Overton Window and unacceptable in polite society.
He's already too fashionable among misguided youths who grow up do be domestic terrorists with Antifa.
 
TheSpaceCowboy said:
No to Marx. Every death under Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Xi Jinping, and other commie dictators is ultimately attributable to Marx himself.


Absolutely not. His very face is the equivalent of a swastika - a hate symbol utterly outside the Overton Window and unacceptable in polite society.
He's already too fashionable among misguided youths who grow up do be domestic terrorists with Antifa.
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Your statements are no less dictatorial than those of Marx, whom you dislike... If you are a hardened liberal, then you must respect the freedom of choice of those who freely choose Marx or Stalin as their favorites.:p
 
Personally, I like the inclusion of Marx as a leader, and I think he could bring something new and interesting to the table. However, perhaps we should push for less controversial leaders to be included first, shall we?
 
I made a list of interesting villains / bad boys (and girls) who could get into the game, my historical knowledge is unfortunately mostly concentrated on Eurasian history, so it's not the greatest list, I'm still working on it

Richelieu
Torquemada
Elisabeth Bathory
Herod
Robespierre
Caligula
as-Saffah (literally translates to "the blood-shedder")
Selim I
Muhammad ibn Tughluq
Attila
Ching Shih
Lucrezia Borgia
Shaghab (Abbasid queen who conspired from the harem)
Shawar (cunning opportunist notable for changing sides during the Crusades)
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Bonyduck Campersang said:
If we still had workers in Civ7, I just know he'd have some zingers for his lines
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Dictatorship of the Proletariat: Your Workers are now Infantry units, with the same stats as the weakest Infantry unit you can build. Workers gain extra combat strength from adjacent workers.
 
Bonyduck Campersang said:
That's like saying every death in the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Thirty Years War is ultimately attributable to Jesus
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Moses, actually. He‘s responsible for all religious-related killing (aside from rituals) as Jan Assmann argumented. Bit of a bold claim though, especially if simplified in this way (still a great book nonetheless).

I wouldn‘t hold against Marx how others implemented his ideas 100 years later. He was without doubt a great thinker. It‘s very different from, e.g., Hitler whi contributed philosophy and its direct implementation.
 
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