Let's Play Immortal! #01: Ragnar (Take Two!)

[Gwaja]

Love this map. Looks like I'm tired of fighting Played it through again. Yes Lib-Bio 980AD. No one got education by then.

Wow that is very strange. Lib Bio pre 1000 AD. I don't think I have ever managed to pull that off. I might want to try it, but I am leaning more towards early warfare with at least one of the neighboring AI, so it might not happen for me.

I didn't go for the oracle/colossus, usually when i do TGL i focus on getting cities up quick afterwards.

Yeah, putting up all these early wonders are expensive in hammers, and slows the expansion rate quite a bit.

Question for gawja/board-

Is it better to work marble at size one while building workboat, or to grow to size two on corn then work marble to complete the wb?

The worker at 2 would have the +1 food and you gain the 1 commerce from the wet corn for the entire time. I'm trying to think how much quicker you can get the wb out for the +3 commerce and if it outweighs the commerce from the corn over the time it takes to complete the wb/worker. (sorry, typing on an iPad and thinking out loud).

I'm on vacation but can't wait to join this game later! Would love to play more on immortal.

Spoiler :

If you want to open with workboat first, you want to work your best hammer tile. At the beginning, you only have a grassland forest for that, but with the first border pop, you can work the marble hill which is 3 hammers unimproved. At least that's what I did. I think working the fish is superior to working the corn in this case due to the fact that you start with fishing but do not start with agriculture, and that fish tile yields more commerce as well.

Another complication is the fact that starting with a worker and going with Agriculture first means that your worker, after farming the corn, will probably have lack of things to do. You could supposedly go for Mining afterwards and mine the marble hill, but I elected not to do that because I knew I was going for the Oracle, hence I would replace that mine with a quarry very very soon... so spending the worker turn to mine that hill that would eventually be replaced very soon seemed like a waste. Of course, you could farm the riverside grassland tiles, but why would I do that when I know that I have 2 seafood resources plus a corn? I have enough food already. You can't put cottages down either, because you don't have Wheel and Pottery yet that early...

I worked the marble hill until I got the workboat out, and then worked the fish until I grew to size 2. By that time, my 1st worker was out, and Bronze Working was finished, so that I could chop the other forested hill and apply the hammer from the chop towards the 2nd workboat. Then you can mine that hill while waiting for Masonry to finish, and then put a quarry on top of the marble. I think it worked out quite well for me, but if you want to try out a different opening, feel free to share it with us.

 

[civjo]

EDIT: This is REALLY funny map, I recommend to try it! Though I think we should have added one extra civilization here.
Marathon or epic would be nice here for early conquest yes.

Peeking at some of the replies, I intent to play this map ...
... and I fear a bit a too peaceful development.

Also I want not take away all surprise by analyzing the map too thoroughly ...

Ok, from what you, Noogai, know all about the whole scenario, what do you recommend:
- where should the extra civilization be added (preferably not moving around others)?
- which civilization?
- better Marathon or epic?

 

[Noogai]

Peeking at some of the replies, I intent to play this map ...
... and I fear a bit a too peaceful development.

Also I want not take away all surprise by analyzing the map too thoroughly ...

Ok, from what you, Noogai, know all about the whole scenario, what do you recommend:
- where should the extra civilization be added (preferably not moving around others)?
- which civilization?
- better Marathon or epic?

I think the extra civilization should be located somewhere on lonely island (to get robbed) or then somewhere near Korea (to make Korea smaller).

If placed on the same continent with Korea I would choose England or America, if placed on lonely continent I would choose Netherlands or Aztecs.

I can't remember wether Marathon or Epic is the slowest one, but anyway the slowest one is too slow for me personally. Though if you really want conquest victory I think you'll have to make two axe rushes (first one against Jao and second one against India) so you'll have to use the slowest one. Up to you..

 

[civjo]

Thanks a lot for detailed reply ...

I think, this time I play (probably my first and only ) ultra slow game ...
... hmmm, larger Korea and extra Willem or Monty is probably harder.

So last question: Any suggestion which island (which REGION) shalt be the homeland of the (flying) Dutchman?

... playing the leader AND the map ...

[edit: if anybody is interested, I can upload the new quest]

 

[Noogai]

Thanks a lot for detailed reply ...

I think, this time I play (probably my first and only ) ultra slow game ...
... hmmm, larger Korea and extra Willem or Monty is probably harder.

So last question: Any suggestion which island (which REGION) shalt be the homeland of the (flying) Dutchman?

... playing the leader AND the map ...

[edit: if anybody is interested, I can upload the new quest]

No prob..

Large Korea is going to be really tough.

I would put him on island east from your home island.

 

[civjo]

... ultra slow game ... just kidding

This new version is on epic (between normal and marathon) speed. I added 2 civs and changed a bit the terrain around their starting places.