Lets talk about Korea

[Jampine]

Alrighty, so I'm kinda bored, so lets make thread about Korea!
But not Korea that's already in the game, lets talk about North Korea (not the one with starcraft)

I just fancy talking about NK is any sense, whether its about what they're up to now, or how they could equate to civ V. Just to get this rolling, I was thinking about they could be represented within the game.

I know there is already a NK mod out there, but we could maybe pool ideas to make one for BNW (as the old one was GK I think).
Since Korea makes a big thing out of isolating its self, that should be the base for its ability, units and buildings. I was thinking something along the lines of:
Ability: People cannot spy on you, nor can you become influenced by their culture, But your culture spreads at 90% less speed, and spies take twice as long to steal. Also, you may not trade with any other civs, through diplomacy nor caravans/ships. You may also found a religion regardless of how many there already is, and use any beliefs in it. However, it only spreads to cities within your empire, and if the city is captured, is removed.

UB: Propaganda tower(replaces radio tower) Removes all unhappiness from its city, but also removes all positive happiness.

Alas, I can't think of a suitable unit at this time

(fun fact: North Korea DOES have its own religion, founded by Kim Il-sung....which basicaly represntes him as a god..... it also starts the calender from the year of his conception....you might see why no other country has really adopted this)

 

[monkeymcbain]

i would like to be able to be a rogue state and opt out of the world congress.

You can trade with embargoed civs and get happiness from banned luxury goods BUT you automatically get trade embargoed by civs still in the world congress and you can't take part in any of the world congress projects.

 

[Jampine]

i would like to be able to be a rouge state and opt out of the world congress.

You can trade with embargoed civs and get happiness from banned luxury goods BUT you automatically get trade embargoed by civs still in the world congress and you can't take part in any of the world congress projects.

That is a good idea, regardless of whether you're Korea or not. However, doing so would make all civs still in the WC take a massive diplomatic hit, and if you wanted back in later, you would have to pay a large sum of gold, and then still be banned from all votes for a good few turns. Also, maybe if you killed one of the states still in the congress whilst rouge, you would be perma-banned from rejoining?

 

[monkeymcbain]

i was thinking of a way to do combined military operations like the real UN in the Korean War.

Maybe the WC members are asked to supply units, each unit you give gets you an extra vote in the WC. They go under their own colour but are under control of the WC leader. The WC units have an objective such as destroy a number of units of who they're fighting or liberate a city.
If you're controlling you get positive diplomacy for fulfilling but negative if you fail, lose someone else's unit or take a city outside of your objective. The units go back to their owners when the objective is complete

Edit: This could be a way to keep war going late game without worrying about diplomacy/unhappiness etc after the UN is formed. Some examples:

1. Lets say the Mongols attack a city state. You get to vote in the WC whether intervene against the Mongols
2. Or Japan are fighting Arabia. You get to vote in the WC to intervene against Japan or Arabia (guess who you vote for depends who you like or if you want to weaken someone doing well)
3. Ideology pressure is causing rebels to appear in Order Spain. You get a vote in the WC to either intervene against Spain or against the rebels. If you side with the rebels, they become part of the WC army. The objective is to take Spain's capital (although you're allowed to take other Spanish cities but you can't annex them). When you take the capital Spain automatically becomes the preferred ideology, the puppet cities go back under their control and the rebel units form the new Spanish army.

sorry to hijack the thread....

 

[forcedalt]

"(fun fact: North Korea DOES have its own religion, founded by Kim Il-sung....which basicaly represntes him as a god..... it also starts the calender from the year of his conception....you might see why no other country has really adopted this)"

I guess they could start with this unique religion , however , ALL the beliefs are already locked in. Not a terribly one sided advantage considering : it can't spread outside your own cities , and , you can't choose beliefs. A true reflection of the rigidness of the real NK.

possible UU's : "Test" missile : replaces Nuclear missile. 14 range ,+50 damage of nuclear missile , fallout range 3 instead of 2 evasion 100. i know NK IRL is famous for not being able to make working nukes , but , its the nuke they would WANT to have.

Parade Infantry ( the goosestepping troops you always see in the NK vids) : replaces Infantry , Unique promotion: precision formation - defense and combat bonus in own territory

"cargo" carrier : replaces Carrier. same abilities as Carrier , but , the sprite and strat map icon look like a cargo ship. Inspired by a recent news story where NK tried to smuggle a jet through the panama canal under under bags of sugar.

 

[Kwami]

The Korea in the game already represents all of Korea. Why would we make one based on the very modern DPRK?

 

[Calouste]

Ability Juche:

Can't have open borders or trade routes with other major civilizations. Happiness and unhappiness have no effects. Civilian units can't move outside your own borders.

The last one (you can't settle new cities unless you have already expanded to a tile more than three tiles away because Settlers can't move outside your borders), is going to make for some interesting gameplay. Either you focus heavily on culture and border expansion (finally a civ that's going to have a use for Religious settlements and Angkor Wat), or you go for conquest and use Citadels to grab new city sites.

 

[forcedalt]

The idea of having civilians restricted to the boarders. It goes well with idea of having military unit(s) that look like civilian units. You could fool the AI , but , probably not any human that was paying any attention. " those aren't carriers. Its just 5 cargo ships moving to my capital in formation for no apparent reason" It all goes well with reflecting how oddly out of sync the real NK is with its neighbors.

 

[Jampine]

The Korea in the game already represents all of Korea. Why would we make one based on the very modern DPRK?

I'm not talking about an official civ, just a mod. Also, the Korea in the game represents unified Korea, which is a far cry from today's version. I just think it would be fun to think, or possibly even play a representation of the Korea we all know nowadays (barring ganghman style)

I like the ideas of civilian units not being able to leave the borders, as in fact, citizens are barred from leaving Korea, unless they are a party official, or a married man leaving on business. In fact, many villages even require a visa to leave.

I think we might be on the verge of a good mod here, maybe we should collect some more idea, and then wing it over to the mods board, and see if this could be implemented.

(Also, I love the idea about hidden units in cargo ships, only problem I could think of is that it would conflict with the no trade rule if that was used, and everyone( both in game, and real life) would be incredibly dubious about any shipments coming from North Korea. The only real exports from there I can think of is cheap office and factory labor. )

Another fun fact: North Korea has blocked all internet access, so I think we might understand why they tend to be quite backwards compared their neighbo.........the world

 

[lokithepunishr]

Another fun fact: North Korea has blocked all internet access, so I think we might understand why they tend to be quite backwards compared their neighbo.........the world

South Korea also has blocked a lot of things on the internet, all porn sites that the government knows about as well as english words such as "porn" are banned for Korean IPs. It also applies to Korean words such as 호빠. Just saying...

 

[forcedalt]

(Also, I love the idea about hidden units in cargo ships, only problem I could think of is that it would conflict with the no trade rule if that was used, and everyone( both in game, and real life) would be incredibly dubious about any shipments coming from North Korea. The only real exports from there I can think of is cheap office and factory labor. )

well , as i mentioned earlier, something similar did happen in real life , and , yes everyone is extremely dubious about any NK cargo ship outside of NK IRL.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Korean-ship-sent-secretive-state-repairs.html

I know its not a practical UU , but , i would want to see a slight satiric/comedic uniqueness to the civ. Also , this would work against AI every time , since the AI was never programmed with anything about disguises.

 

[Jampine]

I know its not a practical UU , but , i would want to see a slight satiric/comedic uniqueness to the civ. Also , this would work against AI every time , since the AI was never programmed with anything about disguises.

Yeah, gotta keep the satire up
I hope some day, when the regime falls, the people will be able to see how outdated that government system was, and ridicules anyone involved with it

Also looking at that picture, that's a lot of stuff hidden in that ship, but I have doubts about how useful it would be against today's equipment. It also ruined my idea of a barge sailing through with the bags of sugar in the shape of a jet fighter on the deck

 

[CaterpillarKing]

Yeah, gotta keep the satire up
I hope some day, when the regime falls, the people will be able to see how outdated that government system was, and ridicules anyone involved with it

Also looking at that picture, that's a lot of stuff hidden in that ship, but I have doubts about how useful it would be against today's equipment. It also ruined my idea of a barge sailing through with the bags of sugar in the shape of a jet fighter on the deck

If the regime falls it definitely not go peacefully. There will likely be an enormous civil with other nations jumping in too. Also considering North Korea has the largest army in the world....

 

[forcedalt]

If the regime falls it definitely not go peacefully. There will likely be an enormous civil with other nations jumping in too. Also considering North Korea has the largest army in the world....

Due to its militaristic nature , it might have the largest army per capita. Volunteering for service being preferable to being "re-educated" There is actually a pretty "hot" cold war of propaganda smuggling being waged by the south. A perfectly blood free regime toppling is an unrealistic goal , however , regime change through internal revolt alone may be possible. We don't get much insider info from NK , there could be enough sleeper insurgents and hidden weapon caches to rival the national army itself , just waiting on the intricate process of secretly orchestrating the coup. That sugar boat could have been supplying rebels , especially since Cuba was involved ,and , they are a much "cuddlier" Socialist dictatorship.

 

[troublmaker]

The name of the leader should be "glorious leader." The only government type it can ever have is Democratic Republic no matter what traits you take. Every 50 turns you'll see your leader die but the person running the country will be his son, who will be a minister in government.

As well you are incorrect in claiming that North Korea has its own religion. The beliefs of the North Korean people are grounded in facts and the lord and saviour of the North Korean people will deliver North Korea into heaven.

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pyongyang

 

[CaterpillarKing]

Due to its militaristic nature , it might have the largest army per capita. Volunteering for service being preferable to being "re-educated" There is actually a pretty "hot" cold war of propaganda smuggling being waged by the south. A perfectly blood free regime toppling is an unrealistic goal , however , regime change through internal revolt alone may be possible. We don't get much insider info from NK , there could be enough sleeper insurgents and hidden weapon caches to rival the national army itself , just waiting on the intricate process of secretly orchestrating the coup. That sugar boat could have been supplying rebels , especially since Cuba was involved ,and , they are a much "cuddlier" Socialist dictatorship.

No it has the largest army my manpower. 4 million. America is at like 1.2. Although the US has more resources and machines for war.


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[reddishrecue]

The latest I've heard about Korea is that Kim Jong Un(president of North Korea) is about to face trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity. I have also seen one of the Obama(president of the United States) heckles and the heckler happened to be a Korean who was a graduate from a Cal State University.

 

[LoneRebel]

To be honest Kim Jong-un's been quite the disappointment. Some analysts believed that he might be the person to finally open North Korea up. Instead, he's become just like his father, worse even (killing his own uncle, really?)

North Korea is a nightmare state where the ruling elite live in luxury and freely travel and study abroad, while the masses live in poverty and are never allowed to leave the country. The hilarious thing is that a few outsiders (especially those with leftist and anti-American tendencies perhaps ) actually seem to admire NK for some reason.

Like TVTropes says, NK is funny because its entire full name is a lie. "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" - it isn't democratic, it isn't for the people, and it doesn't represent the whole of Korea. And seeing as all its leaders have been a direct line from grandfather to son to grandson - it isn't even a republic. It's an absolute monarchy in everything but name.

 

[Magma_Dragoon]

North Korea is an existential threat to the civilized world and needs to be destroyed before it can develop ballistic missiles that don't explode on the launchpad. Once it has missiles it will demand tribute from the US and Europe in exchange for not nuking everyone, use the money to buy more nukes, repeat. But Congress works for Israel, and they want us to start a war with Iran, so I guess we are- ... You know what? F@#k the civilized world, it's their own damn fault.

Let us depart this wretched hive of reactionary oppression and ignorance, and forge a perfect society in the Alpha Centauri system.

 

[CaterpillarKing]

North Korea is an existential threat to the civilized world and needs to be destroyed before it can develop ballistic missiles that don't explode on the launchpad. Once it has missiles it will demand tribute from the US and Europe in exchange for not nuking everyone, use the money to buy more nukes, repeat. But Congress works for Israel, and they want us to start a war with Iran, so I guess we are- ... You know what? F@#k the civilized world, it's their own damn fault.

Let us depart this wretched hive of reactionary oppression and ignorance, and forge a perfect society in the Alpha Centauri system.

Well since all resolutions by the UN can never be broken as of Civ 4 why don't we just create a sanction against nukes? They are a big threat, but the bigger threat is China. I know I sound very American but hear me out. North Korea's only semblance of an ally (China has condemned North Korea's actions recently but still) is China, and if we get in a war with NK China could possibly help them. Now, tbh, I do not fear nuclear war that much. The leaders of the nuclear countries are sane enough to not use their arsenal to take out enemies because they wouldn't survive either. Whether from retaliation or radiation. Also, America has an advanced enough system they can shoot down a few missiles shot by NK. I'm more worried about a conventional war with them. They do have the largest army and thus they can overrun nearby settlements in SK. Also, they made dozens of tunnels underground into South Korea in the 50's and such, many are still believed to not have been found yet.