Liberty, Equality, Fraternity - Civ3 Conquests scenario

[Blaze Injun]

The British have not declared war on anyone, only enlisted a much needed ally in the war against the French. We certainly do not want nor expect bloodshed or disagreement with Prussia.

What was the British Officer's name in Sweden that said.....

This happened on Sweden's turn. Remember Austria, Ottoman, Russian...then Sweden.

And who is this poor lone Prussian.


Blaze Injun

 

[Quarky]

Out of game for a sec..

Re the declaration of war, I obviously cannot declare during Sweden's turn. I suspect this is an in-game issue. Without checking the game order, if Prussia was after me and attacked Sweden, that would automatically trigger it (as a hostile action against one of my allies). If Prussia was before me and attacked, I guess it all happened in the same game round and therefore was all calculated when it came to Sweden's turn..

I don't mind how Prussia wants to deal with this. If yuo want to ignore it until next turn when you do attack Sweden, or take it as being in effect from when you did attack Sweden, either is fine..

 

[greygamer]

Out of game for a sec..

Re the declaration of war, I obviously cannot declare during Sweden's turn. I suspect this is an in-game issue. Without checking the game order, if Prussia was after me and attacked Sweden, that would automatically trigger it (as a hostile action against one of my allies). If Prussia was before me and attacked, I guess it all happened in the same game round and therefore was all calculated when it came to Sweden's turn..

Except all Prussia has done is land troops, they are not amphibious and Sweden has no ships to sink, thanks to...Britain.
I can only assume the MPP can be triggered by losing troops in your country by attacking a hostile nation. Sweden has musketeers which would likely fail against a 5 defence. Alternatively having hostile troops in your country might be enough. Have to admit I didn't know MPP worked like that either.
Ah the dangers of MPP. They will get you into so many wars that you hadn't planned for. Or did you?

 

[greygamer]

GPS Soul Warrior
von Blucher takes command
Russian guns seized
Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher (47) has taken command of our forces in Russia after audaciously seizing a Grand Battery which had been left poorly defended near fortress Siauliu. He is currently re-organising the Prussian defenses against a large Russia force poised to move against Minsk.

Last Gasp Diplomacy halts fighting in Sweden
There has been a resolution to the Swedish crisis which involved the total withdrawal of Prussian forces from Sweden. A spokesman for the Ministry for foreign affairs said as no Prussian troops had been lost the crisis though still tense 'seemed' to have passed and that the withdrawal was due to an invasion of Sweden being 'not in the interests' of Prussia rather than due to any external pressure. He had praise for the Austrian diplomatic core for its efforts to open dialogue between Britain/Sweden and Prussia.

Latest statistics from the military department show Austria and Prussian forces are of an equivilent strength. No one accuses the Austrains of being weak. Large scale troop movements towards the west have been described as normal rotation, our focus remains Russia.

 

[soul_warrior]

GPS quarky

the spanish invade, but their cavalry are riding into the Valley D'Morte, as it will soon be dubbed by the spaniards.
see how worried they look!

and what they will be facing

in danemark, the British are coming, the troops are holding out,bravely, for what might be a last ditch effort to remain free.
we salute them, and shall erect a memorial for those about too die.
those who shall live to fight another day, shall be known as the heroes of danemark, and shall recieve these honours:

our men in Britain report successful sabotaging of builds, and have even mislaid a cavalry regiment,which got lost in the cotswalds and shall never be heard of again!

the emperor has decided not to reliquish willingly control of any french city.
those that shall fall,shall rise again, like the pheonix!
this is one of the britons that have wisely flipped over.
not an intimidating people, are they?

 

[Quarky]

our men in Britain report successful sabotaging of builds

The children! Think of the children!

Will play when I get home from work tonight..

 

[greygamer]

Out of game for a sec..

Re the declaration of war, I obviously cannot declare during Sweden's turn. I suspect this is an in-game issue. Without checking the game order, if Prussia was after me and attacked Sweden, that would automatically trigger it (as a hostile action against one of my allies). If Prussia was before me and attacked, I guess it all happened in the same game round and therefore was all calculated when it came to Sweden's turn..

I don't mind how Prussia wants to deal with this. If yuo want to ignore it until next turn when you do attack Sweden, or take it as being in effect from when you did attack Sweden, either is fine..

I think this thread holds the answer to this question;
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96447&highlight=mutal+protection+pact

In a nutshell if you sign a MPP with a country at war you will automatically declare war on any country that they are already at war with. This takes place on the portion of the turn taken by the country you signed the MPP with.

So at the beginning of the turn Prussia declared war on Sweden, then later in the same turn Britain signed a MPP with Sweden and thus declared war on Prussia. The MPP was activated on the Sweden's portion of the turn.
Essentially signing a MPP with a country already at war is the same as declaring war on their opponents, except you aren't at war with them until the country you gave the MPP with have their turn.
I have to admit I didn't think MPPs worked like that but it is logical, in this case Britain's attempt to warn Prussia off was incorrectly handled (unless Britain was being 'Machiavellian')

So Britain did declare war on Prussia though they couldn't act on this information until Sweden took it's turn (Austria gets to witness events that occur during the AI's turns).
Guess it's over to you Quarky

 

[Quarky]

Message from George III, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, etc. and Elector of Hannover.

In what may come as a surprise to the people of Europe, the King ordered his troops out of Denmark. It is thought that the time is not right for the liberation, although we will return with gifts of freedom from oppression.

We appempted to take some of the hardworking Dane's with us, however there was no room on our ships, so they disbanded and will return to their towns where they can await freedom.

We are again, deeply, deeply distubed at futher sabotague attempts by the French to destroy out peoples medical facilities. We perfer to fight on the battlefield and leave the civilians out of it. We hope that our taking of the moral high-ground can be an example to all nations.

Long live the King!



Thanks for the info regarding MPP. Even though we are at war, I am happy to concluded a formal peace. Just forgot to offer it

 

[Blaze Injun]

Hey,

GPS to greygamer.

Austrian War Report

Southwest of Moscow
Fieldmarshal Konrad Valentin von Kaim defeated 4 Russian Guards in heavy fighting outside of Moscow. Fieldmarshal Fritz moved up to the outskits of Moscow. There was no movement by russian forces after this defeat.

Smolensk Area
3 Russian Guards moved into Austrian territory northeast of Smolensk. Austrian engineers have almost completed trenchworks just south of the russian position. 4 Russian Guards have been spotted moving to the southwest of Polatsk. These are believed to be from the dividing of the massive Russian Guards group that was chasing General Blucher.

Blaze Injun

 

[greygamer]

Thanks for the info regarding MPP. Even though we are at war, I am happy to concluded a formal peace. Just forgot to offer it

So that would be an 'in-formal' peace then

 

[soul_warrior]

We hope that our taking of the moral high-ground can be an example to all nations.

it is NOT possible for puny, Brutal britons to take the moral high ground.
it is the french empire that holds the higher ground.

regarding such falsehoods as this:

We appempted to take some of the hardworking Dane's with us, however there was no room on our ships, so they disbanded and will return to their towns where they can await freedom.

our brave agents in britain have sent us detailed reports of the successful "relocation" of our workmen

is this what britons call "towns" or "freedom"

the empire shall never forget, nor forgive!

in a moment of humanity, our benign emperor has been frail and has almost surrendered our danish holdings.
it was said that he, in a spate of anger vowed that he would rather see danemark burn than fall to british hands.
he has had time to consider, and following that workforce incident promised the people that never again shall he succumb to mere blackmail.

in a popular vote in the danish holdings, an overwhelming majority chose to remain french.
they have goneout onto the street for a day long celebration of freedom, fraternity and equality

 

[greygamer]

GPS Soul Warrior

Russian forces smashed in Prussian counter offensive
August von Gneisenau organises swift counterattack
Prussian forces have once again triumphed despite Russian forces trying to evade battle. The Russian columns which had been advancing on Minsk had tried to give the Prussian forces the slip by pushing toward Vilnius, fatally they split their forces showing a contempt for the Prussian forces in the area which was punished by August von Gneisenau who quickly organised the regiments of curiassers that were in the area backed by the valiant defenders who had seen action recently with Blucher. After a short artillery bombardment, an heroic charge from the hastily assembled curiassers resulted in two guards regiments being driven from the field and the shattering of the remaing troops. One of the routed units is believed to have consisted of the Russian Imperial guard. Russian casulties including wounded and missing may be as high as 80%. At least two of the Prussian regiments involved in the battle were reduced below operational levels.

The flow of troops heading westwards continues raising fears of invasion by Britain despite the Stockholm crisis seeming to have passed. Britain and Prussia remain at war though their troops have yet to meet in battle.

 

[soul_warrior]

wont be able to play today.
will do so tomorrow.

 

[soul_warrior]

gps quarky

great news from the spanish from, as huge herds of spanish stallions are coralled and enlisted into the Emperors Cavalry regiments.
no less than TWELVE regiments of spanish cavalry have been routed.

sweden has joined the britons, and are marching.
they shall not triumph!

a new tariff system has been invented and taught to the Ottomans.
they have joined us in an embargo on the Off-Continentals.

yet another spate of anti war demonstrations in Britain, this time in Cardiff, result in the sacking of the Hospital built there....
we salute the citizens in the effort to free themselves from the shackles of the monarchy.

 

[Quarky]

Message from George III, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, etc. and Elector of Hannover.

Progress is hopefully being made on a diplomatic front, with representatives from His Majesty's Goverment being sent for a conference on neutral territory (Munich?) with Prussia. Prime Minister William Pitt (the Younger) is expected to return shortly offering "peace in our time".

His Majesty once again expresses dismay at the actions of French spies, destorying civilian hospitals, far, far away from any battlefield. The cost of the bricks and mortar will be extracted from the French treasury once victory is attained.

Long live the King!

 

[Blaze Injun]

Hey,

GPS to greygamer.


Austrian War Report

Battle of Polatsk 13th April, 1805 AD

Fieldmarshal Andreas von O'Reilly Takes Polatsk

Polatsk COA

In what is being called the largest battle in the Austrian-Russian War. Fieldmarshal Fritz von Salzburg und Kiev with Grand battery support smashed the right flank of the Russian line southeast of Polatsk. Taking advantage of this Irish born Fieldmarshal Andreas von O'Reilly showed his school taught leadership. Driving on Polatsk he skillfully destoryed all Russian forces there. Taking the city with few losses.

Outskirts of Polatsk

For going a counterattack Russian forces are attempting to encircle Polatsk. Scouts report that most of the units are below full strength and pose little threat.

Vienna
Relations between Austria and Prussia was dealt another blow when Prussia refused to renew the MPP they shared. Prussia has, in the past year, been looking for a Peace with Russia.


Blaze Injun

 

[greygamer]

GPS Soul Warrior
Peace! But for how long!
Representatives of the British and Prussian governments have signed a peace treaty thus bringing the Stockholm crisis to an end. In atmosphere of more peaceful times ahead the Kaiser announced the ending of the wartime measures that were introduced with the War with Russia. Also Prussia and the Ottoman Empire agreed to disolve their formal alliance against Russia. Whilst states of war do still exist with both Sweden and Russia, Prussian forces have withdrawn from direct confrontation with 'enemy' soliders. These moves have taken place as the flow of troops to the Prussia's western borders continues.
Relations with France are described as tense with Prussian forces taking up 'defensive' positions inside the Jutland penisular as well as along the frontier, it is believed that they face elite French troops. One can only hope that the respective leaders see sense before matters escalate out of control.

 

[Quarky]

Just out of interest, saw this in my non-pbem game playing Russia.



Notice that France and Britain are not at war? Very weird..

 

[greygamer]

Which again raises the question are Britain and France locked in a war or not?

Out of the Game comment
IMHO if Britain/France are not locked in a war it makes playing the other nations in MP a lot less attractive as both Britain and France have significent game advantages already. MP probably could still work with 4-6 players in this situation, provided the two other majors (Russia and Turkey) were played by Humans, or with the difficulty level turned up.
The AI doesn't 'understand' naval operations, and the AI tends to want to fight the player in the lead which makes it difficult for the central European nation to utilise AI eastern nations as effective allies.
I would, however, be interested in seeing a 'balanced' Napoleonic mod with no fixed war/alliances in this context though possibly with a greater variety of combat units and all players able to get 'useful' elite units. An interesting non-mod MP might be to play the weaker nations, (i.e. Sweden,Spain,Prussia,Austria) play would likely be more co-op and players wouldn't be locked into wars.

 

[Quarky]

Out of game, yes I think Britain and France are locked at war (and should be even if the lock fails). Just thought it was an interesting turn of events in my Russian game.. Like you, I think it would be very difficult to balance the game without the constant struggle and rivalry between the two nations.