Light bulbs ban

What about a ceiling fan?
Two reasons: First of all, my living room isn't wired for anything electrical on the ceiling. I get my light from swag lamps. Second of all, you do realize that cats see ceiling fans as Really Neat Toys, right?

Fluorescents suck.
I hate fluorescent lighting. Some kinds give me godawful headaches, and other kinds literally put me to sleep. I was at a science fiction convention one weekend, and could barely stay awake in the panel discussions. It wasn't the topics or panelists -- it was the hum of the lights in the rooms. I ended up having to leave before I embarrassed myself by falling asleep 5 minutes into the discussions. :(
 
*looks over at his radiator* it's designed to have a lot of surface area from which to give off heat, as opposed to a light bulb which has a very small surface area?
What kind of heater is it... whatever as has been said, that heat is going somewhere anyway.

Because it's usually a few inches from the ceiling, enclosed by a glass bowl?
Dear God, no. How gauche! No no no, my light is about three feet away from me at waist level.
Flourescent bulbs are something like three times more efficient at converting electricity to visible light and last ten times longer. So if they're less than ten times more expensive than incandescent bulbs, it's already a better deal, and how much better a deal depends on how much you pay for electricity. Sure incandescent bulbs help heat a room, but they're less efficient than dedicated electric heat (because of the placement issue, if nothing else), and aren't tied to a thermostat other than the "nights are both dark and cooler" inherent usage. More than anything else, since electric heat is one of the least efficient thus most expensive forms of home heating energy, your incandescent light bulbs are less efficient heaters than whatever primary means you use to heat your home, it's just a question of how much less efficient.
It's not a better deal to my eyes, and that's all I really care about. When they make CFLs with a 100 CRI score and the same color qualities as Tungsten I will buy them. Obviously, I wouldn't lose anything there, but even the best CFLs are still backwards compared to the qualities of the simple filament. And even then, even with all that, I'd have to see these mystical CFLs before giving up my incandescents.
Vegan! Whatever, they make soy candles, but that's not the point - candles are FAR less efficient than the best incandescents. Why not outlaw them?
We DO NOT live in the stone age of light bulbs!

We live in the Stone Age of rail transport.
Face it, we live in the stone age, period. Nothing wrong with it. Better than living in the frigid wastes of Canada... :p
 
I hope there shall be grand light bulb purges with groups of soldiers storming into homes and smashing every light bulb present. None shall survive.
 
Furthermore, you can buy the color of an incandescent if you want. or you can buy white, or blue, or daylight, or any color for that matter.

You might be able to, but as you said Americans "live in the . .. .. .. .ing stone age of light bulbs." I've never seen anything other than daylight and ordinary fluorescent white, and no choice of spectrum coverage. Me, I like either a daylight balanced bulb or light coming off a flame.
 
Thomas Edison is rolling in his grave as we speak :(.

I prefer the old school bulbs over the fancy smancy florescent light bulbs. They're fine for hallways, but not for use as a reading/computer lamp!
 
It's not a better deal to my eyes, and that's all I really care about. When they make CFLs with a 100 CRI score and the same color qualities as Tungsten I will buy them. Obviously, I wouldn't lose anything there, but even the best CFLs are still backwards compared to the qualities of the simple filament. And even then, even with all that, I'd have to see these mystical CFLs before giving up my incandescents.

Fair enough. Have at it. Buy a lifetime supply of incandescent bulbs. I'm just explaining to you why they're considerably less efficient for the vast majority of us. I'm not particularly thrilled about bans of them, either, but I'm happy with flourescents and am gradually replacing all my home's incandescent bulbs with flourescents as the old ones burn out.
 
My only problem with a ban on incandescent is that compact florescent are not appropriate, or don't fit, in all applications. A CFL still has to be larger to throw the same amount of light. For example it was years after I started using CFLs in most of my light fixtures before I they started making them bright enough for my needs that would fit in my ceiling fan. And they still don't make ones bright enough that will fit in my kitchen light. So it's change the fixture or stick with incandescents or wait for LED bulbs to be affordable. And it'll be even longer for LEDs and CFLs to come out with the specialty size and shape bulbs for many light fixtures. I uses florescent everywhere it's practical to do so, but it often just isn't. Yet.
 
I tend to think that banning Incandescent bulbs is a bad idea. I'd prefer taxing them enough to bring their initial purchase prices up to the the same or slightly higher level as CFLs seems reasonable.
 
I just can't figure out what types of CFLs you guys are talking about!
Humming? WTH? None of my bulbs hum, and I've got two different brands.
Flickering? What? These things are solid points of unwavering light!

And heat only enters the equation if you're already using electric heat, and if the lightbulb is in an ideal place to heat your house. And what about the lightbulbs outside the house? Heating the outdoors? And what about summer?

Igloo: I ran the numbers, and I'm pretty sure it's more efficient to just toss your old bulbs and replace them. I know it goes against your instincts, but the cost of the old bulbs is incurred while running them.
 
I just can't figure out what types of CFLs you guys are talking about!
Humming? WTH? None of my bulbs hum, and I've got two different brands.
Flickering? What? These things are solid points of unwavering light!

Yeah, I've never had that issue and I don't know anyone who has. Not with CFL anyway. I just don't like white light and can't get them in the yellow I'm used to :(

edit: oh wait, I lied. I just looked one of the lightbulbs in my kitchen and it's a CFL. Didn't realize it until just now. Lovely yellow colour.
 
I like incandescent bulbs in some situations and florescent in others. I think banning the light bulb is stupid.


If incandescent lights are so bad why not just put a big tax on them instead? That way people who really want an old fashioned light bulb can have them, yet people are influenced by the cost to use florescent lighting, and is doesn't look like we are living i a police state lite.
 
Hey, you did a "would have" double apostrophe. I love those things.

Dude, I do them all the time. You don't pay enough attention to me. :cry:

We live in the Stone Age of rail transport.

No, we live in a post-apocalyptic age of rail transport.

Fluorescents suck. They contain mercury & are dangerous if broken.

Anything that contains mercury sucks?

Two reasons: First of all, my living room isn't wired for anything electrical on the ceiling. I get my light from swag lamps. Second of all, you do realize that cats see ceiling fans as Really Neat Toys, right?

Well, mine wasn't either, but we changed that.

Anyway... how the hell are your cats going to get to a ceiling fan? It's not like they're going to be able to jump onto it while it's in motion, it's not particularly dangerous when it's not in motion, and you can supervise the transition period. (Hypothetically, if you had one.)

I also don't understand how a mesh-enclosed floor fan (I've never seen a fan, other than a ceiling fan, that was not mesh-enclosed) would be a cat hazard, but hey, ain't my problem.

Vegan! Whatever, they make soy candles, but that's not the point - candles are FAR less efficient than the best incandescents. Why not outlaw them?

Vegan? :confused:

All the outlawing is stupid. I'm just sayin' candles ain't always fossil fuels.

guess how it's lit right now :D

The glow of a computer monitor?
 
At least here it is too cold for most of the year so it wouldn't make a big difference as we'll heat up our houses anyway.
 
anyways, a 23 watt cfl puts out 100watts - Alpine Trooper

Say what? Free lunch? Divide by zero? Who cares about the laws of thermodynamics anyway?

Anyhow, after my last batch of rotten CFL's died at a remarkably faster rate than advertised, I purchased some of the new CFL's that give off warm light. I probably actually like the quality of their light better than incandescent light bulbs. So I have effectively corrected my aquarium esque living space, and headache problem in one foul swoop.

Now if we can just address the fact that CFL's DO NOT last longer. I don't think I've had one last more than three months, and I hardly ever have my lights on.

Oh, and obviously I am one to be dead set against banning incandescent lightbulbs.
 
Say what? Free lunch? Divide by zero? Who cares about the laws of thermodynamics anyway?

It probably was a bit of shorthand, intending to say a CFL drawing 23watts produces the same amount of light (which isn't measured in watts in any case) as an incandescent bulb drawing 100watts, which is true or at least in the mathematical ballpark.
 
Now if we can just address the fact that CFL's DO NOT last longer. I don't think I've had one last more than three months, and I hardly ever have my lights on.

You must be doing something wrong, it's pretty common knowledge/fact that they last longer...

The CFL bulb in my former room at my parents' house has been there for about 12 years now, and is still working fine.
 
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