Lionised and Vilified
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vranasm
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that doesn't hear bad.
Shouldn't we get cavs first though?
I guess based on the overall sizes of empires we would compete with Russia for UN if we go that route so the friendly status with her does nothing for us.
We should maybe reduce Russia and vassal her too, not?
So we don't need Corporation to found a Corporation?
pigswill
fly (one day)
Cereal Mills = refrigeration (biology + elec) + corporation.
Order is up for debate: chemistry > scimeth > bio is worth considering.
Order is up for debate: chemistry > scimeth > bio is worth considering.
Maybe we can self-tech banking first and hope to trade for economics. Banks could be useful anyway. Meanwhile I do like the idea of going to bio pretty soon.
Other than the mentioned things, I think I'll keep building some more cuirs meanwhile. That could allow for an assault on Russia after my set. I assume capping Maria Teresa is okay at any point? I assume Nuremberg and Prague will be sufficient for her to throw the towel.
Other than the mentioned things, I think I'll keep building some more cuirs meanwhile. That could allow for an assault on Russia after my set. I assume capping Maria Teresa is okay at any point? I assume Nuremberg and Prague will be sufficient for her to throw the towel.
the variant is not about capping but about having a defensive pact.
all we need at this point is to be at peace at the same time as cathy, which can be obtained immediately by capping nappy.
and we do need corporation, but it's something the AIs go for quite often
chemistry is indeed interesting and on the path to scimeth (but you need astro for physics)
I think we should hit vicky now, before she get recoats
all we need at this point is to be at peace at the same time as cathy, which can be obtained immediately by capping nappy.
and we do need corporation, but it's something the AIs go for quite often
chemistry is indeed interesting and on the path to scimeth (but you need astro for physics)
I think we should hit vicky now, before she get recoats
vranasm
Deity
according to rules (of the variant and I think it even is so in the game) vassalage is counted as "defensive pact", to me it hears like we are allowed to cap and still be in variant.
Löwenwolde's Treaty variant rule
Technology pathways
Just to confirm, that 'capping' satisfies the variant rules. While at peace, a vassal will note (something along the lines of ??); "Our Defensive Pact proves that we are close friends", which is what I had in mind. Of course, a mutual pact with a 'Pleased' or 'Friendly' independent Russia and/or Holy Roman Empire ticks the box.
Technology pathways
I'd like to get out of Decentralisation and into Free Market, and am always a bit 'gun shy' about obsoleting The Great Library when there are arguably 'as good' options (such as Economics) that are available. I'm not 'dissing' the free Great Scientist out of Physics as part-compensation for the loss of The Great Library, or ignoring the importance of Biology to a Farms-based empire, but whether by trade or self-research, I'd strive to get to Economics soon.
vranasm's point about Rifling for Cavalry throws another 'cat among the pigeons'. Can we get away with Cuirassiers only for a while longer? I suspect so, but if there was an avalanche of support for heading to Rifling, I'd be happy to go along with it.
vranasm's point about Rifling for Cavalry throws another 'cat among the pigeons'. Can we get away with Cuirassiers only for a while longer? I suspect so, but if there was an avalanche of support for heading to Rifling, I'd be happy to go along with it.
vranasm
Deity
the cavs really mostly depend on the amount of waring.
we should cap Maria very quickly for that we certainly don't need cavs. I am more afraid of Russia.
I am the meaning we really should cap Catherine too after we reduce her to something like 5 cities, she seems to be the only serious competitor to us, after her it should be somewhat easy ride to victory.
we should cap Maria very quickly for that we certainly don't need cavs. I am more afraid of Russia.
I am the meaning we really should cap Catherine too after we reduce her to something like 5 cities, she seems to be the only serious competitor to us, after her it should be somewhat easy ride to victory.
So the plan could be :
- cap nappy
- defensive pact with Russia (= variant cleared
)
- DoW on Russia, cap her
- DoW on HRE, cap her
- gun for cereal mills
- spread it while eching to mass media
- win
?
I don't think we need anything better than cuirassiers. Not now, and not later.
- cap nappy
- defensive pact with Russia (= variant cleared
)- DoW on Russia, cap her
- DoW on HRE, cap her
- gun for cereal mills
- spread it while eching to mass media
- win
?
I don't think we need anything better than cuirassiers. Not now, and not later.
I'll stick to capping Nappy and mother Teresa for now. Subsequent set can deal with the Russians.So the plan could be :
- cap nappy
- defensive pact with Russia (= variant cleared
- DoW on Russia, cap her
- DoW on HRE, cap her
- gun for cereal mills
- spread it while eching to mass media
- win
?
I don't think we need anything better than cuirassiers. Not now, and not later.
I'll go banking and then chemistry. That at least also opens up steel, if we (or Cam
) wants to hold off from SciMeth for now.Capped Nappy and we popped a GS who'd bulb a good chunk of chemistry. I stopped, not because of that, but because I just noticed after playing 2 turns that HRE vassaled to the Ottomans, who are barely stronger. Actually happened on the first interturn but didn't notice until now (well, a turn after). So what are the plans now. We're a bit out of position to declare on the Ottomans as I moved our army north towards the French city of Aachen which looked like a convenient spot to strike HRE from. The Ottomans have junk units in and near Bursa, but enough to be a peril for Hamburg and Berlin which are lightly defended.
So what now? Go for Russia instead? Or stick with the HRE plan and go for the Ottomans meanwhile? We get some extra cuirs online soon which can do zone defense at Hamburg and part of the northern cuir stack could also move there. Wouldn't mind getting our hands on Bursa and Konya soon anyway, which have looked like anomalies since they were founded.
Oh, and that settler near the southern fish, can it be used?
So what now? Go for Russia instead? Or stick with the HRE plan and go for the Ottomans meanwhile? We get some extra cuirs online soon which can do zone defense at Hamburg and part of the northern cuir stack could also move there. Wouldn't mind getting our hands on Bursa and Konya soon anyway, which have looked like anomalies since they were founded.
Oh, and that settler near the southern fish, can it be used?
vranasm
Deity
will have to get sleep over it...
that's not clear cut...at all...
sully fields WE's which are BIG problem for cuirs.
dunno what is happening but our military output looks small. 21 cuirs is very light.
and I am still confused why we're mixing mounted with slow moving...
like I said...need sleep to get flow it into me somehow.
that's not clear cut...at all...
sully fields WE's which are BIG problem for cuirs.
dunno what is happening but our military output looks small. 21 cuirs is very light.
and I am still confused why we're mixing mounted with slow moving...
like I said...need sleep to get flow it into me somehow.
vranasm
Deity
I tend to agree with this...even if the moving of troops here and there delays the effort.
I'm very flexible on this, and if we agree to hit Russia soon that's totally fine by me, however I'd be inclined to take Catherine's Defensive Pact immediately, and just roll over that variant requirement now.
The city of Yayoi has always bugged me, and I'd just like to take it off Gustav's hands from an 'annoyance factor' largely. It's a nice little commerce spot that would make a fine addition to our Prussian-French empire. If we take the Russian Defensive pact, then hit the Vikings, then we're free to take on Russia without being concerned on whether we need to; cap' her, or destroy her, or if things go badly settle for peace before capitulation is secured. Anyway - thought that I'd toss that one into the mix.
I agree with nocho that getting Bursa and Konya would be a good objective. Also agree with vranasm that 21 Cuirassiers is 'OK' but could sure be 'added to'.
As such, my leaning (without being fanatical about it) is to sign a Defensive Pact with Russia, think seriously about capturing Yayoi, and preparing a bigger invasion force against Ottoman-HRE or Russia ... such as a dozen more Cuirassiers.
I'm a traditionalist, so I'd build an Academy in Hamburg to support our Oxford Uni' city. Super-Medic the Great General with a two-move unit, such as the 5XP Cuirassier in Marseilles.
The city of Yayoi has always bugged me, and I'd just like to take it off Gustav's hands from an 'annoyance factor' largely. It's a nice little commerce spot that would make a fine addition to our Prussian-French empire. If we take the Russian Defensive pact, then hit the Vikings, then we're free to take on Russia without being concerned on whether we need to; cap' her, or destroy her, or if things go badly settle for peace before capitulation is secured. Anyway - thought that I'd toss that one into the mix.
I agree with nocho that getting Bursa and Konya would be a good objective. Also agree with vranasm that 21 Cuirassiers is 'OK' but could sure be 'added to'.
As such, my leaning (without being fanatical about it) is to sign a Defensive Pact with Russia, think seriously about capturing Yayoi, and preparing a bigger invasion force against Ottoman-HRE or Russia ... such as a dozen more Cuirassiers.
I'm a traditionalist, so I'd build an Academy in Hamburg to support our Oxford Uni' city. Super-Medic the Great General with a two-move unit, such as the 5XP Cuirassier in Marseilles.
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Yayoi bugs me too and Gustav is a lamb...take it
So, we even a 1 turn Defensive Pact with Russia fulfills the variant?
I would like to take or cap Russia soon though. Cathy needs a good spanking.
So, we even a 1 turn Defensive Pact with Russia fulfills the variant?
I would like to take or cap Russia soon though. Cathy needs a good spanking.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Going for DP > Yayoi > war with Russia sounds fine to me (a 2-3 turn DP feels slightly cheesy but that's fine by me).
Obviously split army into fast and slow stack, cuirassiers could probably capture Yayoi while slow troops are getting stacked together.
Obviously split army into fast and slow stack, cuirassiers could probably capture Yayoi while slow troops are getting stacked together.
vranasm
Deity
Cam's plan is very good one. I am all for it. The Gustav war shouldn't last long 
hopefully (we should maybe check first whom can Gustav bring into war)!
like always!
But maybe can wait after we secure that twice bombed sully city once we get our troops in better position.
edit:
and if it looks like I changed my mind again... yes I did it again!
hopefully (we should maybe check first whom can Gustav bring into war)!like always!
But maybe can wait after we secure that twice bombed sully city once we get our troops in better position.
edit:
and if it looks like I changed my mind again... yes I did it again!
