LK136, Monarch, Byzantine

[TheLastOne36]

Also, didn't the latest patch take away diplomatic victories, where a single player can vote himself the winner?

Lurkers Comment:

Yap. A singal player with the most votes in the AP can't vote himself for Diplo Victory.

But can the vassal's vote for you? You could still win through Diplomatic Victory if your vassals vote for you, regardless if you vote or not. And since it appears inca has alot of cities left, inca might even do it singal handedly.

But the above depands on 1 thing: Is it that vassals always vote for there masters, or do vassals always vote with there masters?

 

[Kodii]

It appears as if I am next, but I am thoroughly confused about where the game is going. If someone has a better clue in regards to how to finish the game diplomatically, please, by all means, play ahead of me.

 

[LKendter]

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We only control 35% of the land despite 3 vassals. This IMHO is where accepting a ton of vassals suck, as we should be close to the domination limit with killing one civ, and crippling 3 more.

I still don't see how we will get a diplomatic victory. We only have a single vassal that likes us. I would like to here from Belial where the diplomatic victory comes from. I simply don't see it.


Roster
LKendter
Speedster
Kodii (currently playing)
Belial (swapped)
Playshogi (on deck)


Remember 15 peace (including phony wars) / 10 heavy war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: open.

Planned wars - unsure at this time

 

[playshogi]

Is Kodii playing? He seems to have indicated he wants to skip? To win diplomatically using the Apostolic Palace we must convert to Buddhism, also convert Joao back to Buddhism as well. Spread buddhism to Philly and Atlanta and grow our cities, no more whipping. I'd also build a few workboats and gift them to Joao in his northern islands to help him build his population also. Perhaps, gift him more techs to try to get him friendly instead of just pleased. I don't think vassals "have" to vote for you.

I'd like to play tonight because Thursday is a holiday and I'll be too busy until Friday.

 

[Kodii]

Well, since I have been away from this game for so long, I don't feel confident to play towards a Diplomatic victory at this point. playshogi, please play ahead of me and hopefully things will appear clearer to me after that.

 

[LKendter]

Roster
LKendter (skip due to holiday)
Speedster (on deck)
Kodii (I don't like swapping more then 1 person, as it gets to confusing)
Belial
Playshogi (currently playing)


Remember 15 peace (including phony wars) / 10 heavy war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: open.

Planned wars - unsure at this time

 

[KMadCandy]

lurker's comment: a vassal has to vote for the master, unless the vassal is also a candidate. good luck

 

[playshogi]

Well, then, the game is in the bag. All we need to do is convert to Buddhism and wait for the vote to happen. Probably, I would leave our vassals non-buddhist, so they can't be on the ballot. Is there anything I'm missing?

 

[KMadCandy]

Probably, I would leave our vassals non-buddhist, so they can't be on the ballot. Is there anything I'm missing?

where is the AP? you can qualify to get on the ballot for AP Diplo by being a full member, or by owning the city the building is in. i think HC has it in your game, if so he'd be on even tho he's in FR. still best for him to not be buddhist so that his votes don't get doubled against you, but he wouldn't be voting for you. that's if it's in an incan city, i'm not sure that it is.

 

[Belial]

Just need to convert to buddhist and see to it that every civ has 'a vote', IE get a buddhist to montey 'somehow' (everyone else has one). I would war saladin to break the camels back as 'entertainment', also taking the jewish shrine to make up for losing out on the Islam Shrine, and gifting montey a former arab city with a miss inside after he's liberated, but all that is required is to gift cuzco to montey, convert to buddhist and clickfest. Feel free to make railroads change civics, war with Arabs or don't war with arabs, spread buddhism to our other cities or our vassals if you like. If you vote for yourself they will vote for you too, and we have enough golden boys under our control already to get the V.

I am sorry I didn't go the domination route, the post prior to mine I saw Victory Condition "Open", saw an oppertunity and capitalized. I went with vassals for reduced wartime and less administrative burden.

 

[Belial]

where is the AP? you can qualify to get on the ballot for AP Diplo by being a full member, or by owning the city the building is in. i think HC has it in your game, if so he'd be on even tho he's in FR. still best for him to not be buddhist so that his votes don't get doubled against you, but he wouldn't be voting for you. that's if it's in an incan city, i'm not sure that it is.

He wont vote for you to be 'pope', but once you are pope (as you have more clout than he does) and you hold a 'religious win diplomatic victory' vote he will vote for you as your vassal.

Having said that, waiting for an election is pretty boring. There is still lots of land to take for a domination if that happens to be faster. I think with RR and Astronomy there is no need to tech further if proper warmongering is applied.

 

[SeerTenedos]

Lurker comment Is it not possible to throw the whole world into a war at this point while using your vassals as a shield reducing the world to a dark age while you proceed at your own pace?

 

[playshogi]

Yes, declaring war involves all the civs, as there are just 2 independent civs in the game.

What happened to all our workers? There are only 4 left.

I think the AP is in Huamanga. We should have captured that so we could be on the ballot without changing religions. Now, when I switch, Saladin won't be 'friendly', anymore.Before any civics changes and after microing the cities, we're making 74 per turn at 60% science. After changing to HR, Free Speech, and Org. Rel. we make 141 per turn, so I increase science to 70%. Leaving theocracy causes relations with Saladin to drop to pleased. We get +1 favorite civics bonus with our vassals.

I convert to Buddhism. Monty has 1 city with Buddhism, so I don't have to 'gift' him any cities. Before conversion 281 votes out of 375 are necessary to win. After conversion, we need 458 out of 611. It seems we have 242 pop. which doubled is 484 or more than enough to win, by ourselves. Which means we can't win that way? We gained 2 per turn. Relations with Saladin drop further to cautious. I trade Music to Joao, so that he would convert to Buddhism, now we need 462 out of 617.

1784 - The tiny city of Ica revolted and joined the Portuguese empire and against the odds, a Great Engineer was born in Adrianople. I used him to rush Ironworks in Constantinople.

I built more workers so we now have 5 stacks of 3. No vote was held on the Apostolic Palace. Currently 540 out of 720 are required to win and we have 518 by ourselves, if I counted right. Joao is friendly and I suppose we can count on him for his votes.

Personally, I'd like to win via Apostolic vote, because I've never won that way. This is true even if it is a boring click next turn type of thing, however it may be just easier to force the 2 remaining civs to capitulate thereby winning by conquest. So, therefore, I opted to research assembly line and combustion.

 

[Speedster]

Got it.

I have never had a win through the AP either, so this may be fun.

Will try to play tonight.

 

[LKendter]

Yes, declaring war involves all the civs, as there are just 2 independent civs in the game.

What happened to all our workers? There are only 4 left.

Are some of them sleeping. I really hope we didn't lose them all right as rails are available.


I can't comment in detail, as I am heading to Thanksgiving dinner shortly...

 

[Speedster]

I played my turns.

I must admit that I am feeling slightly clueless when playing.
I hope this AP strategy will work, however, there were no elections during my turnset. I am slightly worried that we do not even know in which city the AP is sitting. Is the AP tied to Buddhism or could it be tweaked to, say, Judaism?
The reason for my question is that the AP may very well be in Macchu Picchu, under Saladin's control.

Anyway, I guess we will find out

It was quite worrying that a city (Ica) flipped to a vassal.
I did not know that was possible..

Turn 1, 1812 AD
We get an Incan revolt in Corihuayrachina


Turn 3, 1816 AD
I up science to 80%


Turn 4, 1818 AD
Combustion is in. I think long and hard and finally decides to pick Biology.
A great scientist is born. I did not know what to do with him, so I left him sitting in Constantinople for a future GA.


Turn 10, 1830 AD
Ragnar converts to Buddhism. He is now pleased with us.
Biology is in, I choose Democracy. We badly need security bureaus since Saladin has passed us in espionage points.


Turn 11, 1832 AD
Montezuma asks us to convert to hinduism I reject.
Wall street is finished in Ainu. Our finances our now +29 gpt at 80% science.


Turn 14, 1838AD
Democracy in I choosed Medicine. Only a few beakers are invested, in case we want to go for something else.


Turn 15 1840 AD
I have started some security bureaus.

Adrianople is 4 turns aways from a great person. Most likely a great merchant.

I tried to build as much military as possible. I have started destroyers in 2 places.

The Save

 

[LKendter]

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At this point we will see if we win the AP vote. If not, it is war against Saladin.


Roster
LKendter (skip due to holiday)
Speedster
Kodii (currently playing)
Belial (on deck)
Playshogi


Remember 15 peace (including phony wars) / 10 heavy war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: open.

Planned wars - Saladin, if AP vote fails.

 

[playshogi]

Speedster played yesterday, so I'm wondering if Kodii is playing or not? It's been 24 hours with no 'got it'. Let's build infantry and cannon and more Buddhist missionaries and prepare for war with Saladin & Monty, (making sure Monty maintains a buddhist city!). How long do we want to wait for a vote to occur? First thing that has to happen, is we be elected 'pope'. Then wait more turns to make a vote proposal. Maybe we'll get lucky and Huayna will propose diplomatic victory.

 

[Kodii]

Oh, I didn't realize I was up. Got it!

 

[LKendter]

Speedster played yesterday, so I'm wondering if Kodii is playing or not?

Oops - roster in the above post was fixed.