LK28 - Regent training.

[LKendter]

Two turns for Suffrage and five turns to ToE.
Glad to see a prebuild for ToE.

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Military - we need to restribute the troops some.
We have no defenders in Ulundi, Umfolozi, Herakleia.
I had a game where I was sneaked attacked by an ally for a empty city.
As a test, I reloaded the game - put a defender in the city - NO attack.
Empty cities invite war from the AI - avoid them if at all possible.

We are still "weak" vs. Egypt. This invites another possible war.
We have plenty of cash now - upgrade our VET hoplites to rifleman.
1.29 add total unit strength -going from a 1/3 unit to a 4/6 unit should help with our weak position.
At least one or two cities should squeeze in troops.
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We get a Golden Age!!! Our hoplite was victorious.

With being at Rifleman / Cavalry - great job sneaking this in!
My favorite Golden age time is right now. When the big push for factories is going on.

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The price for Communism has gotten absurd with 1.29.
However, we have a way to snag it cheap.
Electricty and $470 to China is a great deal. (this is PRE-haggle price)
Police Stations will further improve our ability to deal with being at war.
Jump while the opportunity is available.

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Thess should prebuild for Hoover with military academy.

The one here. I made this mistake early one. Thess does NOT have a river bordering it.
It CAN'T build Hoover.

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Workers - My one nit pick on the rail-net.
You build the right type of thin net, but I avoid coast as much as possible.
The AI loves to bombard coast with Ironclads, so I save coastal rails for last where there is a choice.

My standard complaint - Build more workers.
It was mentioned to start pumping out workers, but NONE built.
We have almost zero chance of buying more workers to fill in the gaps.
The rule to purchase workers - you must both have a city on the same continent
The only city we had was Nippur - undefendable vs. India and correctly abandonded.

With rails we want to get rid of forest - A grassland tile with mines is either 2 food, 2 shield or 2 food, 3 shield (if bonus). Forest is 1 food, 2 shield. We can gain more food, and maybe more shields by clearing out the forest.

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Remember to set research to zero after Replaceable and select Atomic Theory

One trick to snag more cash - look at big picture, select AT, F1 immediate, Science to 0%.
You get the part turn of research saved for a few more bucks.

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Overall, a good turn.

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hotrod0823 - Playing
Juliennew - on deck
Tiamat -
Trickey -
alexander dumas -
10 turns per player
24 hours for got it, 48 hours total time

Remember - wait for my commentary before moving - not much of a training day without that.

 

[hotrod0823]

Lee can you put the game on the server so I can grab it without crashing. My net connection has crashed twice while trying to grab the game. I will play tonight and try to post.

Hotrod

 

[hotrod0823]

Got it thanks

 

[hotrod0823]

LK 28 From 1545AD -

1545 AD (0): Trade per LK, China:WM & Communisim for Elect. & 342 gold. Further diplocheck and we can get ivory from the Egyptian for coal, NO trades and Silk from India for iron, hold off for now.
Upgrade 4 VET hops to riflemen for 480 gold total. Few still remain in cities without barracks will move around the others next turn for more upgrades. Send riflemen to unprotected cities.

1550 AD (1); China cancelles the 6gpt for dyes trade, okay not a big loss. Egypt wants war with China for ROP. They throw in 158 gold, all they have and 8 gpt. I accept, China is the weakest and having Egypt as an allie at least for 20 turns will help us build some infastructure to deal with them later. Also sufferage is only 2 turns away. maybe but it will be interesting.
Move some troups toward our only 2 ships, some vet cavalry, will add some new infantry soon after RP is learned and troups are upgraded, provided we have rubber.

1555 aD (2): Thess builds US, starts hospital only 2 turns. Learn RP, Change to AT, Big picture, set reasearch to 0%, +947 gpt. Upgrade four cannons for 320 gold. Upgrade a bunch of VET rifles to infantry, left the elite riflemen for possible GL later. We have 3 rubber .

1560 AD (3): Heroic Epic in Corinth. Start Workers in 2 cities, move some workers around to cut trees and continue with RR. Upgrade a few more vets and move some infantry around. Use the gold to rush courthouse in Ngome for 192 gold and Swazi for 292 gold. Umtata for 168 gold. Bapedi for 208 gold. At zero research we still bring in 907 gpt.

1565 AD (4): IBTWN, India and China are at peace, Spart builds worker and starts Police station. Babedi builds court starts temple. Pharlos builds hospital starts worker. Ngome builds courthouse starts temple. Herakleia builds worker starts Hospital. Thess builds Hospital starts bank only 2 turns. Rhodes builds University starts Factory. Swazi courthouse starts Granary. Umtata builds courthouse, starts marketplace. Hurry courthouse in Pergamon for 300 gold. Hurry court in Intombe for 140 gold. MM Thess. to grow in 2.
Trade infantry and rifleman all around to upgrade almost all the remaining Vet rifles to infantry and not leave any city ungaurded. No events in the Chinese war. Will "turn back on" research. Question for Lee? We get ToE next turn is it better to research something you want to get for free or to research something else and hope you get what you want? I will see soon.

1570 AD (5): Halicarnassus builds temple starts courthouse. ToE in Athens!!! :biggrin: We get Atomic Theory and from the long gone Babs we learned Physics "huh", start electronics. and learn electronics. Start Hospital in Athens the will rush it next turn and then start Hoover, right now Hoover is only 15 turns and we are the only ones even with the tech. Therm build hospital and starts worker.Pharlos builds worker and starts police station. Intombe finishes courthouse and starts Eretria builds hospital and starts worker. Pergamon builds court and starts temple. China got Englan involved in the war, they have a MPP and declare war.. Change Pharlos to a galleon.

1575 AD (6): Hlobane builds market starts factory. Zulu1 builds courthouse starts factory. Don't ask me how but Thess is building hoover, due in 9 turns. Turn back on research we have 1800 gold in the bank, at 50% we get corp in 4 with +254 gpt. More rifleman upgrades first troups land in china

1580 AD (7): Capture Chengdu, no loses. Some hospitals finish and start on cavalry and infantry for the battle with England and China.

1585 AD (8): Moving on to china city #2 Tientsin to the North. Hoover completes in 6 turns. Corporation in 2 turns with +264 gpt.

1590 AD (9): Continue toward Tientsin, defeat a lone longbow easily no leader.. Cut research to 10% +882 gpt for 1 turn.

1595 AD (10): Took Lagash(english), Took Tientsin from China. Set research to 50%, refining in 5 turns with +261 gpt. Troups are being built to head to china or to England. China will probably be quicker to take there are only 7 cities remaining and I believe us and Egypt are the only ones at war with them right now.

On the diplo front: Cleo is now Cautious and wants coal for ivory still or a bunch of gold. She lacks AT, and corrporation.

India lack AT and Corp as well, just bought a worker for 30 gold, Polite, will trade tech for silks.
Bizzy is polite and lack AT and corp.
China will accept peace but has nothing to give us and it will hurt our rep. They lack AT, corp and RP.
England won't even talk.

All cities are now connected on the rail line. Focused the last few turns on rails at Athens, after the hospital was built. Built a few worker spent lots of gold on upgrades to riflemen then to infantry. Each city should now have at least one vet infantry. The AI has RP now so they will be with infantry soon, if not already. Spent some gold too on a lot of courthouses in Zulu country.

Good luck.

Hotrod

Here is the Save:


LK 28 to 1595AD

 

[LKendter]

This game is WON - thin rail-net, factories and Hoover.
It is impossible to lose the game at this point with good play.

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Don't ask me how but Thess is building hoover

Did something change with 1.29?
I don't understand stand this one either.

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Rush building trick.
Rush a worker for $80.
Switch to actually desired item.
You can rush the rest of the item without the double cost penalty.

2nd rush building trick.
With a thin rail net - disband a junk unit (regular hoplite for us).
You can rush the rest of the item without the double cost penalty.

You can get the item in 1 turn, not 2.
This can prove critical at higher levels, or in a tight race for a wonder.

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Workers - Repeat a rule
Rule #7 - Improve the tiles being used by the city first.

The red squares are 3 UNDEVELOPED TILES - however, we are working the hill?
The red squares tiles should take priority.

We have a worker clearing forest in Tundra. We gain ZERO food or shields from mining Tudra.
Much better off using the worker for tiles with bigger benifit.

Most of our workers are working solo. We should use mass worker actions at this point.
Send enough workers to finish a square in one turn, and get the benifit now.

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Military - we have $3000. Why do we have a vet rifleman in Ngome NOT upgraded?
I find the same in Swazi, Intombe, etc. Spend the cash.

Who is the target? England or China? We same to have half committed to attacking both.
If you go to war - commit to one target and hit hard and fast.

Why are we giving England a free artillery, or at least throwing one away?

Picutre from the China front

1) Why do we have exposed workers in the blue zone?
The AI is over-focused on stealing workers.
These should be in a city.
REPEAT: Don't leave workers in the range of attacking units.

2) ONE galleon to move troops over? Ngome has culture, switch to galleon.
After that, we need a escort ship.

3) Yellow zone - defending cavalry? If you need a holding zone - black square.
Give them a defensive edge

4) QUESTION for hotrod0823:
What are we after in the China attack?
We have 2 coal before taking the coal.
Beijing would have been harder to take, but it would secure a permanent source of furs.


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Overall, a good turn.

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hotrod0823 -
Juliennew - Playing
Tiamat - on deck
Trickey -
alexander dumas -
10 turns per player
24 hours for got it, 48 hours total time

Remember - wait for my commentary before moving - not much of a training day without that.

 

[Matt_G]

Originally posted by LKendter

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Did something change with 1.29?
I don't understand stand this one either.

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The reason Thess is able to build Hoover is because it has a river in the city radius.

The city doesn't have to be on a river. Just has to have a river in it's 21 tile workable radius. I wasn't aware of this either. So I downloaded your game to see what was up. Sure enough it didn't make sense to me either until I read the civlopedia.

Great game by the way. Well done by all.
Matt

 

[Juliennew]

I got it

 

[hotrod0823]

As far as the missed upgrades it got very very difficult to keep track of the units that were being upgraded because of the need to swap units to cities with barracks and having already upped units sent back to those same cities. These turns took a very long time.

On the China side I was looking at what cities were the easiest to take and shyed away from the capital. With England it was more of a miss calculation on the artillary. I didn't realize that the cavalry coming off the ship use all there movement and couldn't attack so I was forced to use the infantry to take to last spear leaving the artillary exposed.

Hotrod

 

[LKendter]

@Juliennew
It is over 48 hours since got it. Are you going to play today, or skip your turn?



@Hotrod -
A trick to find the last units to upgrade. Bring up the military advisor by unit type. You can doube click on the rifleman, which will bring the game to his location. I use this all the time to find the last straggle units to upgrade.

 

[Trickey]

Hey Guys. I am going to be out of town until staurday, so skip me until then. Bye.

 

[Juliennew]

Sorry for the delay, I'm quite busy these times. Expect a report in a few hours.

 

[LKendter]

Juliennew is way overdue.

If I don't see a completed turn without 24 hours - I will skip to the next player.

 

[Juliennew]

Preturn - Make some upgrades - Make some changes that LK suggested - Change Athens production to Battlefield Medicine
1600AD (1) - Moving some troops and workers - Plan to gather a large task force in China in order to make a decisive push / Will try to make peace with England whenever possible - Change some production to Ironclad
1605AD (2) - Deal with Bismarck (Spice for Dyes + Incense +8G/turn) extended - Golden age ended - I make peace with Elisabeth on the condition she gives me 12G/turn ---> She accept - Moving troops and workers
1610AD (3) - Tatung captured by Germany - Moving troops and workers
1615AD (4) - Rhodes finish factory, switch to hospital - Moving troops and workers - Will march upon Anyang the next turn
1620AD (5) - Egypt and China sign peace - Germany and England sign peace - We lost our supply of furs ... ---> Massive riot in former Zululand - Hoover Dam finished in Thessalonica, switch to miltary academy - Micromanage the rioting cities and switch them to cathedral - Lot of pollution occurs - Moving troops and workers
1625AD (6) - Germany captures Anyang while we were on our way to it ... - Redirect the troops toward Hangchow - Refining discovered, now researching steel - We have one source of oil connected but three sources of oil in our territory - I see that Egypt don't have coal ---> I won't trade it as it will seriously cripple their development - Cleo is furious with us, I fear war with her very soon ---> I will reinforce the Egyptian border for security, especially Mpondo where there is a source of coal - I trade incense + dyes + 293G for wines + gems with Elisabeth - Rush some cathedrals in former Zululand
1630AD (7) - Moving troops and workers - Rush libraries in occuped Chinese cities
1635AD (8) - Moving troops and workers - Begin the attack on Hangchow - Landing near Peking
1640AD (9) - Hangchow captured - A great leader (Hector) appears in the battle !! - Athens finish the battlefield medicine, switch to infantry - Moving troops and workers
1645AD (10) - Egypt and India sign peace - I try to trade with Ghandi but he won't trade unless we put a technology on the trade table ---> I refuse as a trade will be possible when we will have some more money - Thessalonica finish the military academy, switch to infantry - Rush library in Hangchow - Attack on Neijing begins ---> Our army beat the rifleman but she loose many HP - Beijing captured - A Egyptian rifleman is spotted near Swazi !! - I don't ask him to leave for the moment but I fear Cleo will declare war the next turn !! - I trade rubber for 42G/turn with Elisabeth

State of Greece
Treasury : 264G +91G/turn
Science : Steel discovered in 2 turns
40%Tax 50%Science 10%Luxuries
At war with : China

I suggest we keep our leader to rush a critical wonder like the United Nations.
Be also prepared for war against Egypt on the next turn. Defend Mpondo at all cost, Cleo don't have coal and we must ensure that this source of coal don't fall in her hands.

@LK
Sorry again for the delay but don't hesitate to skip me.

 

[LKendter]

Save game please

 

[Juliennew]

OOps !!
Here it is

 

[LKendter]

Treasury : 264G +91G/turn

Why is money spent this far down?
We a losing the much of the benifit of Wall Street.
Reading the report I can't see something that was critical to let our cash get this low.

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Be also prepared for war against Egypt on the next turn.

It is possible, but I don't think so.
I only found *ONE* unit that crossed the borders - AI attack usually has a lot of units come across.

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Hangchow defending by a 1 hp cavalry?
Send on of the infantry by Chengdu there - the AI CHEATS and knows all of your troop layouts.

Peace with England - We just don't have the forces for a 2 front war.
Plus Democracy can suck with war weariness.

We don't have a lot of troops on the continent.
India will sign a RoP - this will free up those troops to move on China.

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Production - squeeze in more police stations - the help with war weariness.
Even low corruption cities are worth building them in.

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City status - take a look at below.

Eretria has FIFTEEN extra food.
Once rails have arrive, you need to review cities.
You can often mine spaces and gain more shields.
This city gives 36 shields. A couple more mines could cross 40 usefull shields - an artillery every 2 turns.
This little things add up.

I trade rubber for 42G/turn with Elisabeth

Do you plan for a military victory this game?
If yes, then you shot yourself in the foot.
Keep the AI with weaker troops is very much in you benifit if you wish to win by domination / conquest.
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Overall, a good turn.

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hotrod0823 -
Juliennew -
Tiamat - Playing
Trickey - on deck
alexander dumas -
10 turns per player
24 hours for got it, 48 hours total time

Remember - wait for my commentary before moving - not much of a training day without that.

 

[Tiamat]

Got it. Will play tomorrow and post when done.

 

[Tiamat]

LK28

Preturn (0) - Wake 1 Infantry by Chengdu, send to Hangchow. Trade The Corporation to Egypt for Ivory, Espionage, & WM. Trade ROP to India for ROP. Trade The Corporation to India for Furs. Check trades with England, we are NOT giving them Rubber.

1650 (1) - We are informed that our people want to build the Intelligence Agency. Resistance in Beijing ends. Pollution strikes Athens. Athens completes Infantry, starts Infantry. Delphi completes Artillery, starts Police Station. Hngchow completes Library, starts Temple. Chengdu expands. MM Hangchow, change Entertainer to work mined grassland. Ngome completes Temple, starts Factory. Herakleia completes Infantry, starts Police Station. Thessalonica completes, Infantry, starts Intelligence Agency. Troy completes Artillery, starts Hospital. Ibabanago completes Courthouse, starts Marketplace. Tientsin expands. Switch Intombe to Marketplace (size 9 so Hospital not needed yet). Adjust Science to 10%, still get Steel in 1 with +585G. Trade ROP's with Germany. Multiple WLTKD celebrations. Moving workers & units.

I - England asks to trade WM's, I agree.

1655 (2) - Steel discovered, start on Combustion. Sparta completes Infantry, starts Police Station. Bapedi completes Marketplace, starts Bank. Thermopylae completes Infantry, starts Police Station. Corinth completes Infantry, starts Police Station. Pharsalos completes Artillery, starts Police Station. Argos completes Courthouse, starts Police Station. Mycenae completes Infantry, starts Courthouse. Rhodes completes Infantry, starts Police Station. Adjust Science to 50%, Combustion in 6 turns with +90gpt. More WLTKD celebrations begin. Moving workers & units.

I - India & England sign a Peace Treaty.

1660 (3) - Athens completes Infantry, starts Police Station. Umfolozi completes Temple, starts Marketplace. Marathon completes Infantry, starts Barracks. Moving & working.

I - Germany captures & razes Shanghai.

1665 (4) - Mpondo completes Granary, starts Marketplace. Eretria completes Police Station, starts Infantry. Ulundi expands. Hangchow expands.

1670 (5) - Corinth completes Police Station, starts Infantry. Delphi completes Police Station, starts Artillery. Zulu1 completes Granary, starts Hospital. Knossos completes Bank, starts Police Station. Mycenae completes Courthouse, starts Cavalry. Thessalonica completes Intelligence Agency, starts Police Station. Ephesus completes Artillery, starts Courthouse. Pergamon completes Temple, starts Marketplace. Marathon completes Barracks, starts Cavalry. Nanking captured fr 45G, starts Library. China has been destroyed! [dance]

1675 (6) - Athens completes Police Station, starts Infantry. Sparta completes Police Station, starts Settler (to claim rubber where Shanghai used to be). Intombe completes Marketplace, starts Granary. Herakleia completes Police Station, starts Cavalry. Umtata completes Granary, starts Bank. Troy completes Hospital, starts Bank. Trade WM to Egypt for WM. Trade WM to India for WM & 20G. Trade WM to England for WM & 6G. Trade WM to Germany for WM & 7G. All the other civs need Refining, Steel & Atomic Theory. Moving & working.

1680 (7) - Helicarnassus completes Courthouse, starts Marketplace. Sparta completes Settler, starts Cavalry. Corinth completes Infantry, starts Infantry. Delphi completes Artillery, starts Artillery. Pharsalos completes Police Station, starts Cavalry. Argos completes Police Station, starts Infantry. Mycenae completes Cavalry, starts Police Station. Thessalonica completes Police Station, starts Courthouse. Eretria completes Infantry, starts Infantry. Umfolozi expands. Adjust Science to 20%, Combustion in 1, +541G. Attempt to plant spy in Germany failed, Germany declares war. Trade Atomic Theory to India for Military Alliance against Germany. India declares war on Germany. Capture Tatung, start Library.

I - Germany captures Canton from India. German counter atack kills 2 Cavalry.

1685 (8) - Combustion discovered, start Mass Production. Athens completes Infantry, starts Infantry. Thermopylae completes Police Station, starts Destroyer. Hlobane completes Factory, starts Cathedral. Herakleia completes Artillery, starts Artillery. Thessalonica completes Courthouse, starts Army. Rhodes completes Cavalry, starts Destroyer. Lagash goes into disorder. I didn't notice that Egypt had bombed out the road connecting it to England on the English side of the border. Create a couple of Entertainers. Will rush Temple next turn. Isipezi completes Granary, starts Courthouse. Marathon completes Cavalry, starts University. Trade ROP to England for ROP.

I - Germany captures Bangalore from India. If we can get it we will get 5 Silks.

1690 (9) - Sparta completes Cavalry, starts Colosseum. Corinth completes Infantry, starts Infantry. Delphi completes Artillery, starts Artillery. Pharsalos completes Cavalry, starts Colosseum. Order restored in Lagash, Temple rushed. I forgot to adjust Science last turn, do so now to 50%, Mass Prod. in 5 turns. Rush Libraries in Beijing, Tatung, & Nanking.

1695 (10) - Beijing completes Library, starts Marketplace. Athens completes Infantry, starts Infantry. Nanking completes Library, starts Temple. Intombe completes Granary, starts Bank. Argos completes Infantry, starts Infantry. Herakleia completes Artillery, starts Artillery. Tatung completes Library, starts Courthouse. Lagash completes Temple, starts Harbor. Eretria completes Infantry, starts Infantry. Troy completes Bank, starts University. Capture Canton, start Library.

Summary: The Leader Hector is fortified in Athens. The Galleon & Ironclad near Bombay were heading to unlad near Chittagong, for suport in the attack on Ur. There are 4 Cavalry, 1 Infantry, & 1 Artillery near Liverpool that were heading to Ur to capture it. This will give us a source of Spices, and deny the Germans another Oil source. The Galleon near Mycenae were heading towards Bangalore to try and get that city to give us Silks. Lagash should have it's Harbor rushed to reconnect it to our trade network. Then the Entertainers could be put back to work. The Settler is in place to found a city where Shanghai used to be to clain the Rubber there.

Diplomatic Status: - We are allied with India against Germany (17 turns left)
- We have ROP's with India (10 turns) & England (18 turns)
- England & Egypt are still at war.

Here is the save:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/LK28-1695.zipLK28 1695[/URL]

 

[alexander dumas]

How are we doing for war weariness? Should we mobilize? Maybe we should declare war with more people to increase our peace options. It can really help with war weariness, and it's not like we really care about rep at this point.


Are we hoping to take the shortest path to domination/conquest? I think we can win anyway but diplomatically at this point. How about trying for cultural?


Just wondering.

 

[LKendter]

Originaly posted by alexander dumas

How about trying for cultural?

We won't achieve 100000 culture until 2017!
The culture histograph clearly shows Egypt ahead - forget culture win.
I agree - forget Diplomatic.

Win will be either Space or Domination.
Mapstat shows we have 698 of the needed 1604 tiles.
Domination is possible, but isn't close yet.
With the size of Egypt - we almost have to take some of Egypt for domination.

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Originaly posted by alexander dumas

Should we mobilize?

Mobilizing coming with a hefy price - we can't build temples / libraries.
This makes it very hard to achieve domination.

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On To Tiamat comment and review

We are at WAR with Germany - plant a spy.
Try one per turn until it works.
If you are already at war - it never hurts to try and plant a spy.
Just remember if it fails - it will keep failing to next turn


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The Leader Hector is fortified in Athens.

Leaders have a bad habit of being forgotten in succession games -
Try to fortify outside a city so that they aren't wasted

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The bulk of the German attack would come in the north - we need to quickly take Bangalore and Tsingato and link our empire.

We can build TRANSPORTS - upgrade out Galleons asap - we need to move troops over faster.

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Overall, a good turn.
Not much I can offer this round.
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hotrod0823 - on deck
Juliennew -
Tiamat -
Trickey - skipped by request.
alexander dumas - Playing
10 turns per player
24 hours for got it, 48 hours total time

Remember - wait for my commentary before moving - not much of a training day without that.