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[PCHighway]

Nor would my republican friends. But I am getting off topic, The Encyclopedia of Arda says Tolkien envisioned them as larger precursors to the modern elephant, or a smaller species. In the Return of the King (I can’t find my copy) they ‘Harad rallied around the Mûmakil’s in the battle of the Pelennor fields, like great towers...’ or something like that, maybe the Elephant Rider, that is only available (or was?) In DyP (I played it a lot ) it was bigger than the Modern Elephant, but maybe the AoE one looks smaller.

If someone has it (RotK) handy, check out that archer thing, I sort of remember them shooting off of it. But in any case, we will do what you say, it would be cooler to have more than one Mûmakil though. I was thinking about the Elves, here is what I have so far.

Main Def.
1a. Spearman (Civ3) Name: Elven Speaman
1b. Macedonian Phalangite (Kryten) Name: Elven Pikeman.
1c-d. Elven Spearman (kinboat) Name: High Elven Spearman (!)?

[EDIT- Ah crap! My Curse continues! ]

 

[mrtn]

Originally posted by PCHighway
... I was thinking about the Elves, here is what I have so far.

Main Def.
1a. Spearman (Civ3) Name: Elven Speaman
1b. Macedonian Phalangite (Kryten) Name: Elven Pikeman.
1c-d. Elven Spearman (kinboat) Name: High Elven Spearman (!)?

[EDIT- Ah crap! My Curse continues! ]

Curse? To have your post in the middle of the third page?
If we go with that the elves has good units which doesn't upgrade to much better, then we maybe shouldn't have as many different elven units? I'm worried about archers, as both the vanilla archer and bowman has beards.

 

[Celeborn]

hmmm... more intresting ideas coming up...

IMHO, the orcs should be less powerfull than there human/elf/dwarf and cheaper...

this should simulate the strenght of numbers that the orcs rely on...

 

[PCHighway]

mrtn-
Curse? To have your post in the middle of the third page?
If we go with that the elves has good units which doesn't upgrade to much better, then we maybe shouldn't have as many different elven units? I'm worried about archers, as both the vanilla archer and bowman has beards.

Just how many replies do you have per page ! I'm on the 6th page now!

Main Off.
2a. Macedonian Hypatist? (Kryten) Name: Shortsword(man?)
2b. Samurai (Civ3)? Name: Longsword(man?) (Need ideas)
2c-d. Elven Swordsman (Kinboat) Name: Elven Champion.

Don't worry about that, I was thinking of switching the Archers into the 'horsearchers' in the 2nd age, what about that? Or I can just keep them Cavalry.

Celeborn, I don't think Orc's should be stronger, they have only 1 less attack than the Men, and will cost MUCH less, or so I envisioned, half as much in the early ages, and 2\3 cheaper for the infantry in the late era. I did try to represent the infantry ‘mass’ by giving units like the Orc Spearman a bombard ability. 5 spearmen would get 5 (somewhat weak)shots at an attacking unit, before it even got the chance to fight.

 

[mrtn]

Originally posted by PCHighway
Just how many replies do you have per page ! I'm on the 6th page now!

40, not 20. And I haven't regretted changing.

Originally posted by PCHighway
Main Off.
2a. Macedonian Hypatist? (Kryten) Name: Shortsword(man?)
2b. Samurai (Civ3)? Name: Longsword(man?) (Need ideas)
2c-d. Elven Swordsman (Kinboat) Name: Elven Champion.

We might be able to use some of the Japanese units from PTW. Not the original Samurai, though, I don't believe the elves shaved their heads like that.
The Otomo no Makuta has a longbow, and could be a cool archer.
The Shoni no Kagesuke is the same guy on a horse. These two should be used.

Then there are some that could be used, but aren't as good. These are the Nakamaro Horseman and the Minamoto Samurai (sword). Take a look at the Warrior Monk(pike/spear thing) also (It's the best of these three).

I don't really think the Hypastist fits...Hyschaspisch...Hashishim. Which leads me to ponder if the assassin can be used. Not the one with blue weapons, but the other.

Originally posted by PCHighway
Don't worry about that, I was thinking of switching the Archers into the 'horsearchers' in the 2nd age, what about that? Or I can just keep them Cavalry.

Worry about what? I'm lost.

Originally posted by PCHighway
Celeborn, I don't think Orc's should be stronger, they have only 1 less attack than the Men, and will cost MUCH less, or so I envisioned, half as much in the early ages, and 2\3 cheaper for the infantry in the late era. I did try to represent the infantry ‘mass’ by giving units like the Orc Spearman a bombard ability. 5 spearmen would get 5 (somewhat weak)shots at an attacking unit, before it even got the chance to fight.

No, they would only get one attack per attacker. You only help the defenders with one catapult per attack.

 

[PCHighway]

mrtn- 40, not 20. And I haven't regretted changing.

But it is inevitable that the attacker will get attacked, and then that would be there to help them. I gave the ability to the main attacker in the last age, (Uruk hai) you read it, right ?

mrtn- We might be able to use some of the Japanese units from PTW. Not the original Samurai, though, I don't believe the elves shaved their heads like that.
The Otomo no Makuta has a longbow, and could be a cool archer.
The Shoni no Kagesuke is the same guy on a horse. These two should be used.

I was thinking about this earlier, but I was thinking only the horse archer, this would work, though.

mrtn- Worry about what? I'm lost.

The archer animations, we could use the Babylonian Bowman for the first archer, the one you mentioned as an ‘armored’ one, then we can split into the Horse archers, Krytens and the Japanese one. I would rather have them used as a cavalry line though, and It would be cooler to have Archer infantry for the whole game. I think we can skim by with just 3 archer units.

It will look funny giving the Men and the Elves the same archer animation, why don’t we give the Civ3 archer gfx for the ‘Bowman’. You said it would look funny with him not having as much clothes, but the Tribal warrior is the same way, so is the Swordsman, why don’t we give the Men the Civ3 Archer gfx, and the Elves the Babylonian bowman gfx? Or there is always that skirmisher .

mrtn- I don't really think the Hypastist fits...Hyschaspisch...Hashishim.Which leads me to ponder if the assassin can be used. Not the one with blue weapons, but the other.

I dunno... The assassin looks sort of weird, the hood doesn’t go with the elves to well. I had the Macedonian Phalangite down for an elven pikeman, what do you think about that? We’ll have to think of something else.

And thats about only the third time I heard someone relate the Hashish trade to the rise of Assassins, on CFC , paid attention in History class did you? .

 

[mrtn]

Originally posted by PCHighway
But it is inevitable that the attacker will get attacked, and then that would be there to help them. I gave the ability to the main attacker in the last age, (Uruk hai) you read it, right ?

No, I only look at the pics. Is that wrong?

Originally posted by PCHighway
...I dunno... The assassin looks sort of weird, the hood doesn’t go with the elves to well. I had the Macedonian Phalangite down for an elven pikeman, what do you think about that? We’ll have to think of something else.

And thats about only the third time I heard someone relate the Hashish trade to the rise of Assassins, on CFC , paid attention in History class did you? .

I didn't mean use him as an elf, just for general use.
History class? You mean it's possible to learn such things in school? Whenever we got a new teacher, we started from the stone age again.
I read it somewhere.

 

[PCHighway]

mrtn-
No, I only look at the pics. Is that wrong?

I didn't mean use him as an elf, just for general use.
History class? You mean it's possible to learn such things in school? Whenever we got a new teacher, we started from the stone age again.
I read it somewhere.

Ok then, what do we use for the short Swordsman?
And do we put the suffix 'man' on the end for elf units?

Lmao, when we started a new year we would go back to American history, typical eh? Think I read it in a book called 'Ancient Inventions'. And what? You have a problem with the Stone Age? I find that disturbing...

What should we do for archer and Cav? I was thinking of doing it like this:

1a.Horseman
1b.Rider (different sounds)

The Rider does NOT upgrade to the Horse Archer, and the Rider (different name) should last till the 3rd era.

2c. Horse Archer (kryten)
2d. Shoni no Kagesuke

 

[Celeborn]

hmmm...

this is getting rather long...

i think we have to restart the thread soon...

 

[mrtn]

Originally posted by PCHighway

Ok then, what do we use for the short Swordsman?

Lets leave that for Celeborn for the moment.

Originally posted by PCHighway
And do we put the suffix 'man' on the end for elf units?

No. I prefer not, at least. The japanese archer can be called Armoured Archer, for example.

Originally posted by PCHighway

Lmao, when we started a new year we would go back to American history, typical eh? ...

I think it is. A friends father was over in Canada for a year. There he met an american History Professor. He had a question about the Great Migration (I don't know if my dictionary has that right, 5th century anyway) and asked him if he knew. - No, I'm only professor in American History, I don't know such things. That's sad, IMO.

Originally posted by PCHighway
What should we do for archer and Cav? I was thinking of doing it like this:

1a.Horseman
1b.Rider (different sounds)

The Rider does NOT upgrade to the Horse Archer, and the Rider (different name) should last till the 3rd era.

2c. Horse Archer (kryten)
2d. Shoni no Kagesuke

I don't really know where you're going with this, so I can't comment. We could have the horse archers as just flavour cav.

EDIT: Before we restart it we should get some sort of conclusion of what we have first.

 

[PCHighway]

I'm with you, want me to type out an overview first, so they can jump in? Make sure you put a link, and what will you call the new thread? We have united already you know .

Conclusion, like what? the Elf line?

EDIT again, what do we call the 'Longswordsman' and in the Movies eye, Elrond was bald.

 

[Celeborn]

Originally posted by mrtn

Lets leave that for Celeborn for the moment.

meaning?

PC if you can start typing the overview that would be good...

i may call the thread- Middle-Earth: Lord of the Mods

 

[mrtn]

That I can pretend that it's your problem.

 

[Celeborn]

hmmm...

use the aoe 1 shortsword fot the short sword man...

 

[PCHighway]

How long do you want the overview? It is looking to be rather long. AoE short swordsman? Is it converted? It's for the elves, this one is looking hard, but we shouldn't get stuck up on it.

 

[Celeborn]

i dont know if has been converted...

the overview should take more than 5 minute to read through...

 

[embryodead]

you should create a forum dedicated to the mod if you are making it in huge group... i already lost a track of this after few pages...

 

[mrtn]

Originally posted by embryodead
you should create a forum dedicated to the mod if you are making it in huge group... i already lost a track of this after few pages...

I want very much to stay in CFC, and we can't make new forums here. I think we should stay here, and start a new thread when the old gets too cluttered. Hopefully we can also have a 'relatively' current overview in the first post/page, which should mean that any newcomer can read that, and maybe the last page or so before being relatively up to date. I also think that we will lose some steam in a while, it's going very fast now, 100 posts in a few days (!).

 

[Celeborn]

lose steam?!?!

NEVA!!!!

 

[Kindred72]

ok, I'm confused as heck, It's like watching a movie starting half way through it. I'm happy you two are working on the foundation of the mod, maybe you guys should talk on the phone or something.