LotR26 Mounted Mongols
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Jabah
Emperor
I didn't manage to play yesterday (LK142 took all my free time and more), but should be able to play my 10t tonight.
Jabah
Emperor
T0 - 1300AD (T280)
Since most of our EP are coming from Kara, I queue a very quick wall+castle before Taj to get extra bonus.
T1 - 1305AD
I decide to promoted to knight (for free) our GG charriot Medic, being with other highly promoted (C4+) knights, he still will be the last one to defend, but at least he should be able to get a few easy kills to promoted further.
I couldn't find any notice about the use for the GG, so I attached it to a knight and for a change decide to go for a super combat unit (C5+Leadership to go -quickly- C6 soon) and will look for easy battles to see how far he could go.
Our stacks are injured and waiting to recover before moving toward the next city.
T2 - 1310AD
T3 - 1315AD
De Gaulle has build the AP for Judaism.
AP election, vote for De Gaulle (vs Qin), who will be elected next turn.
I had built an explorer (allowed) but I just confirm that they are not considered MP for protection, so it is useless.
(except if we want to leave cities "open", or defended by explorer, which we could consider for smaller cities were happiness is not a problem and that would free some knights for offense) .
Get knights into position to be able to strike Aksum if a spy manage to incite a revolt next turn.
T4 - 1320AD
Manage to get the defence in Aksum down.
1st flanking knight retreats (vs pike)
2nd flanking loses (vs Oromo)
elite knight win (vs lgbow) x2
elite knight wins (vs inj. pike)
elite knight loses (vs Oromo)
elite knight wins (vs spear)
elite knight wins (vs xbow)
elite knight wins (vs inj. Oromo)
elite knight wins (vs inj. Oromo)
medic knight wins (vs inj. catapult)
elite knight wins (vs inj. catapult)
-> capture the city
T5 - 1325AD
Approch Addis Ababa
T7 - 1335AD
Spy incite revolt in addis Ababa
flanking knight wins (vs pike)
elite knight loses (vs lgbow)
elite knight wins (vs lgbow)
elite knight wins (vs mace)
elite knight wins (vs horse)
elite knight wins (vs trebuchet)
elite knight wins (vs inj. lgbow)
-> capture the city
Pacal is going to discover Nationalism in 3t, trade him for Theology
Qin has only 2 (holy) cities left, and he is now ready to Capitulate for Paper+gold. (but not for Gunpowder)
Should we accept or press on ?
I would say press on since Gondor is the jewish holy city and most be worth a bit, but we have a real risk of Qin capitulating to another AI.
If he capitulates to De Gaulle, we might lose (by retreating probably) a few border cities, before our army is healed and ready to strike back (might even postpone Gondor Capture)
If he capitulates to Pacal, we are in deep trouble...
If he capitulate to Ragnar or Peter we porbably be happy (except if Open Border with Pacal).
I stop here (late and need team opinion)
Also I didn't revolt, as the Civics would depend on the decision:
1. either peace for a (short) while -> bureaucracy (Taj is in 20t+ right now)+mercantilism (3t revolt), then revolt again during GA (Theology+vassal for war)
2. keep waring, no revolution (likely) or -> mercantilism+theology (3t), but will delay Taj a bit more.
Also a few question
Are we able to steal technologies from a vassal, if yes, I would accept Qin capitulation, keep the EP toward him and steal Gunpowder asap (even increasing %EP rate or getting a few spy in Kara if needed).
We will have MilTrad in 4t (or a bit more if we want to save cash) and need Gunpowder to improve our army.
Jabah
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PS - I had kept the save a bit too long, so I have no problem passing the situation and the next player could probably play 13t to make it even. (but could play still a bit tonight if we have decided what to do).
Since most of our EP are coming from Kara, I queue a very quick wall+castle before Taj to get extra bonus.
T1 - 1305AD
I decide to promoted to knight (for free) our GG charriot Medic, being with other highly promoted (C4+) knights, he still will be the last one to defend, but at least he should be able to get a few easy kills to promoted further.
I couldn't find any notice about the use for the GG, so I attached it to a knight and for a change decide to go for a super combat unit (C5+Leadership to go -quickly- C6 soon) and will look for easy battles to see how far he could go.
Our stacks are injured and waiting to recover before moving toward the next city.
T2 - 1310AD
T3 - 1315AD
De Gaulle has build the AP for Judaism.
AP election, vote for De Gaulle (vs Qin), who will be elected next turn.
I had built an explorer (allowed) but I just confirm that they are not considered MP for protection, so it is useless.
(except if we want to leave cities "open", or defended by explorer, which we could consider for smaller cities were happiness is not a problem and that would free some knights for offense) .
Get knights into position to be able to strike Aksum if a spy manage to incite a revolt next turn.
T4 - 1320AD
Manage to get the defence in Aksum down.
1st flanking knight retreats (vs pike)
2nd flanking loses (vs Oromo)
elite knight win (vs lgbow) x2
elite knight wins (vs inj. pike)
elite knight loses (vs Oromo)
elite knight wins (vs spear)
elite knight wins (vs xbow)
elite knight wins (vs inj. Oromo)
elite knight wins (vs inj. Oromo)
medic knight wins (vs inj. catapult)
elite knight wins (vs inj. catapult)
-> capture the city
T5 - 1325AD
Approch Addis Ababa
T7 - 1335AD
Spy incite revolt in addis Ababa
flanking knight wins (vs pike)
elite knight loses (vs lgbow)
elite knight wins (vs lgbow)
elite knight wins (vs mace)
elite knight wins (vs horse)
elite knight wins (vs trebuchet)
elite knight wins (vs inj. lgbow)
-> capture the city
Pacal is going to discover Nationalism in 3t, trade him for Theology
Qin has only 2 (holy) cities left, and he is now ready to Capitulate for Paper+gold. (but not for Gunpowder)
Should we accept or press on ?
I would say press on since Gondor is the jewish holy city and most be worth a bit, but we have a real risk of Qin capitulating to another AI.
If he capitulates to De Gaulle, we might lose (by retreating probably) a few border cities, before our army is healed and ready to strike back (might even postpone Gondor Capture)
If he capitulates to Pacal, we are in deep trouble...
If he capitulate to Ragnar or Peter we porbably be happy (except if Open Border with Pacal).
I stop here (late and need team opinion)
Also I didn't revolt, as the Civics would depend on the decision:
1. either peace for a (short) while -> bureaucracy (Taj is in 20t+ right now)+mercantilism (3t revolt), then revolt again during GA (Theology+vassal for war)
2. keep waring, no revolution (likely) or -> mercantilism+theology (3t), but will delay Taj a bit more.
Also a few question
Are we able to steal technologies from a vassal, if yes, I would accept Qin capitulation, keep the EP toward him and steal Gunpowder asap (even increasing %EP rate or getting a few spy in Kara if needed).
We will have MilTrad in 4t (or a bit more if we want to save cash) and need Gunpowder to improve our army.
Jabah
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PS - I had kept the save a bit too long, so I have no problem passing the situation and the next player could probably play 13t to make it even. (but could play still a bit tonight if we have decided what to do).
I would push on to Gondar and try and get it. Leaving him with Gondar leaves Aksum and Addis Ababa culturally in trouble. His last city looks further away so would accept capitulation after Gondar (he might up the offer to Gunpowder as well).
I don't think Qin vassalizing is that much of a problem really. It creates some issues but nothing we can't deal with.
I'm up next but won't be able to get to it for at least 36 hours so go ahead and finish your turns Jabah.
I don't think Qin vassalizing is that much of a problem really. It creates some issues but nothing we can't deal with.
I'm up next but won't be able to get to it for at least 36 hours so go ahead and finish your turns Jabah.
Jabah
Emperor
Also, we have a few knights (2) that have reach 28+ XP, so I had to choose (because I wanted them to heal faster) a promotion after Combat V.
I was considering March, but since they were not many and we are moving with a big stack with Medics II or III, I changed my mind.
In the end, I gave them flanking I, trying to give them better surviving chances, but realised after than knight are the only (or almost) mounted units with a base of 0% retreat odds, so it is not really usefull now (it will be when promoted to cuirrasier -base 15%- or cavalry -base 30%- or if they reach flanking II -quite far away-).
Any other idea for promotion after C5, knowing that we are now facing lgbow, Xbow and Musket inside cities (so shock it not as appelling as before) ?
Jabah
I was considering March, but since they were not many and we are moving with a big stack with Medics II or III, I changed my mind.
In the end, I gave them flanking I, trying to give them better surviving chances, but realised after than knight are the only (or almost) mounted units with a base of 0% retreat odds, so it is not really usefull now (it will be when promoted to cuirrasier -base 15%- or cavalry -base 30%- or if they reach flanking II -quite far away-).
Any other idea for promotion after C5, knowing that we are now facing lgbow, Xbow and Musket inside cities (so shock it not as appelling as before) ?
Jabah
Commando, Pinch, March, Blitz and Sentry would all be good after Combat V (probably in that order).
Jabah
Emperor
Except that (checking the ref):
- blitz and commando both need military science (not really soon, if ever researched
)
- pinch need gunpowder (ok, we should have that soon)
- not convinced that sentry should go on the highest XPed knights (could be usefull for a few 'blue' ones but to be honnest, we have spies deeper inside to know what is awaiting)
Flanking I+II will be usefull for cuirassiers and cavalryies (but together only) as unlike knights, they are NOT immute to 1st Strike. (and will have a total of 45% and 60% retreats odds)
- blitz and commando both need military science (not really soon, if ever researched
)- pinch need gunpowder (ok, we should have that soon)
- not convinced that sentry should go on the highest XPed knights (could be usefull for a few 'blue' ones but to be honnest, we have spies deeper inside to know what is awaiting)
Flanking I+II will be usefull for cuirassiers and cavalryies (but together only) as unlike knights, they are NOT immute to 1st Strike. (and will have a total of 45% and 60% retreats odds)
Learn new things every day 
They must be BtS changes as I'm sure I was able to give Knights Blitz promotions in Warlords. Not sure about Commando though.
First strikes aren't really going to play much of a part in Combat V units, maybe March is the way to go for now.
They must be BtS changes as I'm sure I was able to give Knights Blitz promotions in Warlords. Not sure about Commando though.
First strikes aren't really going to play much of a part in Combat V units, maybe March is the way to go for now.
Jabah
Emperor
Oromo warriors have lots of 1st strike, but hopefully they will all be dead by the time we have better units than knights .
Maybe the blitz thing was corrected with the latest patch (along with the military academy, they might have 'forget' all restrictions attached to the 'Military Science' Tech )
.Maybe the blitz thing was corrected with the latest patch (along with the military academy, they might have 'forget' all restrictions attached to the 'Military Science' Tech
)darrelljs
Immortal
Definitely Pinch. I think we should take out Qin and deal with him vassalizing himself to someone else if we have to. You can steal techs from a Vassal BTW, but he has built the Jewish shrine and between that income and the removal of culture pressure, and the removal of motherland unhappiness it is worth pressign on.
I'd say go ahead and play out your turns if you want to.
Darrell
I'd say go ahead and play out your turns if you want to
.Darrell
Jabah
Emperor
I will play a few more turns tonight then (either 3t or 8t depending on war/peace).
I (or we, if later) should try to steal Gunpowder from Qin before finishing him. (Or take the risk to steal it from Pacal, it was cheaper I think).
The already flanking I, I will try to promote then to flanking II before upgrading (if they survived long enough), the future 28XP knight will be saved to have pinch then be upgraded (available at the same time).
Jabah
PS also, another point for finishing Qin is the AP, we don't want to be forced to defy 'return to right owner' resolution (we might have to against DeGaulle later anyway).
I (or we, if later) should try to steal Gunpowder from Qin before finishing him. (Or take the risk to steal it from Pacal, it was cheaper I think).
The already flanking I, I will try to promote then to flanking II before upgrading (if they survived long enough), the future 28XP knight will be saved to have pinch then be upgraded (available at the same time).
Jabah
PS also, another point for finishing Qin is the AP, we don't want to be forced to defy 'return to right owner' resolution (we might have to against DeGaulle later anyway).
Kylearan
compound eye
Hi,
I'm also for finishing off Qin, if only to avoid motherland unhappiness.
Regarding how to promote after C5, I had asked myself the same question. As soon as Gunpowder is available, Pinch would be my first choice as well. Before that? Dunno. I would have taken Flanking even with the low starting odds for retreating - anything that increases the chance for survival of these high-xp units. I'm not convinced of Sentry for main combat units.
Btw, sorry for not providing more input and not taking part in all the discussions as I had planned to. A new job turned out to be more time-consuming than expected, but that should calm down somewhat the coming week and I hope to be more active again from now on.
I'll be away from 4/2 - 4/4, unable to play but should have internet access.
-Kylearan
I'm also for finishing off Qin, if only to avoid motherland unhappiness.
Regarding how to promote after C5, I had asked myself the same question. As soon as Gunpowder is available, Pinch would be my first choice as well. Before that? Dunno. I would have taken Flanking even with the low starting odds for retreating - anything that increases the chance for survival of these high-xp units. I'm not convinced of Sentry for main combat units.
Btw, sorry for not providing more input and not taking part in all the discussions as I had planned to. A new job turned out to be more time-consuming than expected, but that should calm down somewhat the coming week and I hope to be more active again from now on.
I'll be away from 4/2 - 4/4, unable to play but should have internet access.
-Kylearan
Jabah
Emperor
T7 - 1335AD (T287)
IBT Bingo Qin is DeGaulle's vassal....
T8 - 1340AD
Yeha is doomed and evacuated
Looking for an ally
Ragnar has enough on his hand... will divert one of the newly built extra knight toward the border just in case
Pacal & Peter don't like us enough.
Lose one of my new C5F1 (CombatV, flanking I - for now :"C : combat, F : flanking, S : shock") knight at 98% against a lonely mace in open ...
We have a little bit of WW unhappiness (from the previous war I guess)
IBT as expected lose empty Yeha
T10 - 1350AD
Ragnar declares on Peter ... perfect we hate both of them, so no nasty surprise to be expected from them for a while.
Press to clean the northern front, lose a knight (against guerillaII lgbow in hill town), but raze Teoihuacan (De Gaulle, ex barbarian - East of Addis)
De gaulle has separated his stack (without the pikes that are left behind ) but they are out of reach for now anyway (going north)
IBT
Qin is now attacking with his (City Defender) Oromo outside even at not very good odd (but win twice and we lose 2 knights)
T11 - 1355AD
MilitaryTrad->Gunpowder (temporary at 0% to see if we have an option for stealing/trading )
Ouch, DeGaulle puts most of his Troops in Gondar were he could strike Aksum directly (will need to pillage a road and sacrifice a knight to prevent that) or go to Addis (which will evacuate with 1t warning)
T12 - 1360AD
We gain +3 relation with Pacal (buddhism marriage event), getting much closer to Friendly (+14/-6 afair) which is needed to trade again with him (too advanced).
De Gaulle is after Addis
On the other hand Yeha is quite empty again
and is retaken without loss..
(should/might have been razed, but Hanging Garden in here, i can't do that)
At addis, I semi-evacuate the city and attack from the side doing what knights are good at
->kill all the trebuchet and 4 units without casualties but should lose the city (to be retaken)
Clean most of DeGaulle units except the 4 pikes that are INSIDE Gondar now.
New York, observed by a spy from the hill, (and all the further cities in fact) is also pretty weakly defended (except for the 125% defence, which will prevent any small knights force to be enough)
De Gaulle is now ready to accept paying for peace.
T13 - 1365AD
As expected we have lost Addis,
but as expected also , It is recaptured immediatly.
T14 - 1370AD
Get another GG -> instructor in HE to have 13XP there (without the civic change, I keep forgetting that we will/could have an extra +2 when the time will come to revolt).
DeGaulle is evacuating Gondor, but still too close to try to get closer.
T15 - 1375AD
DeGaulle 4 pikemen are making it impossible to try to access Gondor, but they also could strike Addis again
On top of that Qin has another new Oromo defending (so make that 2 oromo and 2 lgb with CG3D2)
Decide to risk it a last time (we could sign peace if it goes wrong), move everyone (including injured units) in range to Gondor (empty Addis as it is a lost cause anyway again if DeGaulle wants it)
IBT
DeGaulle recapture Addis
But no one has attacked our knights stacks
T16 - 1380AD
I don't want to leave this mess for the next player, so I play an extra turn (hope no one will be upset).
Gondar is now defended by 2 Oromos, 2lgbow (all 4 heavily promoted toward City Defence), 1 pike, 1 Xbow and a cat. It will be very bloody.
The 1st spy manages to revolt the City, then charging time
C1F2 retreats vs Oromo
F2 dies vs LgBow
GG C6 wins vs lgbow (70%, need to take this risk, all the other had less than 35%)
C5F1 dies vs Oromo
C5 wins vs injured lgbow
C4 loses vs pike
C1F2 wins vs injured Oromo (I forget this one earlier, because he was in Addis stack)
Injured C5 accross river wins vs injured Oromo
injured C4 wins vs Xbow
Medic3 wins vs cat
Injured C5 finishes injured pike
--> Capture for the cost of 3 knights (2elite, 1 blue) which is quite less than expected.
The city has the Temple of Salomon, grocer and market (+academy).
Push my luck and try to see if I could recapture Addis this turn with what is left (need to win all but 2 fights -including some injured knights- vs 3pike and 2 maces, most fight around 50-60%)
C2S knight dies vs pike
injured C4S knight wins vs pike
but then lose the next 2 so I will be 1 short (and facing bad odds for the next one).
Get the survivors inside stacks and/or Gondar (3 injured knight there)
Situation
The situation is quite messy (see Gondor capture picture), we can lose a few injured knight(s) because DG has a healthy pike around, but gondor and Aksum are safe (except if the horse manage to kill the C3 knight defending, we could always move a chariot from behind for a turn).
Dg has around:
- a healthy (pike+horse) stack between Gondar and Addis
- 2 pikes (very injured) and 2 mace (1 very injured, 1 fine) in Addis (his injured units might promoted, but they won just 1 fight that were around 50%, so no huge promotion for them)
Qin has a mace, but escorting a settler, so should not attack.
I would consider not signing peace, and try to finish Addis next turn (we have 2 fresh knights around Aksum that can reach + all the survivors from Gondar massacre).
Then if Degaulle is then ready to sign give Gunpowder, we probably should as WW is starting to get quite high (I had to whip some theater/temple) and our economy is crashing a bit (or more exactly our science is not great).
The cheapest place to steal in DeGaulle land is Chicago, (small buddhist city next to Pacal border), we should send a spy asap (I had none to spare until last turn, as the one planned to do that is check the troops mouvments south of Yahe)
We also have just one spy in a Pacal city - Gaul - which for some reason (distance, religion) is by far the cheapest place to steal. We don't want really want to do it, but if we change our mind (and get more EP), the spy is building the stationary bonus (not full yet).
Jabah
Save attached
IBT Bingo Qin is DeGaulle's vassal....
T8 - 1340AD
Yeha is doomed and evacuated
Looking for an ally
Ragnar has enough on his hand... will divert one of the newly built extra knight toward the border just in case
Pacal & Peter don't like us enough.
Lose one of my new C5F1 (CombatV, flanking I - for now :"C : combat, F : flanking, S : shock") knight at 98% against a lonely mace in open ...
We have a little bit of WW unhappiness (from the previous war I guess)
IBT as expected lose empty Yeha
T10 - 1350AD
Ragnar declares on Peter ... perfect we hate both of them, so no nasty surprise to be expected from them for a while.
Press to clean the northern front, lose a knight (against guerillaII lgbow in hill town), but raze Teoihuacan (De Gaulle, ex barbarian - East of Addis)
De gaulle has separated his stack (without the pikes that are left behind
) but they are out of reach for now anyway (going north)IBT
Qin is now attacking with his (City Defender) Oromo outside even at not very good odd (but win twice and we lose 2 knights)
T11 - 1355AD
MilitaryTrad->Gunpowder (temporary at 0% to see if we have an option for stealing/trading )
Ouch, DeGaulle puts most of his Troops in Gondar were he could strike Aksum directly (will need to pillage a road and sacrifice a knight to prevent that) or go to Addis (which will evacuate with 1t warning)
T12 - 1360AD
We gain +3 relation with Pacal (buddhism marriage event), getting much closer to Friendly (+14/-6 afair) which is needed to trade again with him (too advanced).
De Gaulle is after Addis
On the other hand Yeha is quite empty again
and is retaken without loss..
(should/might have been razed, but Hanging Garden in here, i can't do that)
At addis, I semi-evacuate the city and attack from the side doing what knights are good at
->kill all the trebuchet and 4 units without casualties but should lose the city (to be retaken)
Clean most of DeGaulle units except the 4 pikes that are INSIDE Gondar now.
New York, observed by a spy from the hill, (and all the further cities in fact) is also pretty weakly defended (except for the 125% defence, which will prevent any small knights force to be enough)
De Gaulle is now ready to accept paying for peace.
T13 - 1365AD
As expected we have lost Addis,
but as expected also , It is recaptured immediatly.
T14 - 1370AD
Get another GG -> instructor in HE to have 13XP there (without the civic change, I keep forgetting that we will/could have an extra +2 when the time will come to revolt).
DeGaulle is evacuating Gondor, but still too close to try to get closer.
T15 - 1375AD
DeGaulle 4 pikemen are making it impossible to try to access Gondor, but they also could strike Addis again
On top of that Qin has another new Oromo defending (so make that 2 oromo and 2 lgb with CG3D2)
Decide to risk it a last time (we could sign peace if it goes wrong), move everyone (including injured units) in range to Gondor (empty Addis as it is a lost cause anyway again if DeGaulle wants it)
IBT
DeGaulle recapture Addis
But no one has attacked our knights stacks
T16 - 1380AD
I don't want to leave this mess for the next player, so I play an extra turn (hope no one will be upset
).Gondar is now defended by 2 Oromos, 2lgbow (all 4 heavily promoted toward City Defence), 1 pike, 1 Xbow and a cat. It will be very bloody.
The 1st spy manages to revolt the City, then charging time
C1F2 retreats vs Oromo
F2 dies vs LgBow
GG C6 wins vs lgbow (70%, need to take this risk, all the other had less than 35%)
C5F1 dies vs Oromo
C5 wins vs injured lgbow
C4 loses vs pike
C1F2 wins vs injured Oromo (I forget this one earlier, because he was in Addis stack)
Injured C5 accross river wins vs injured Oromo
injured C4 wins vs Xbow
Medic3 wins vs cat
Injured C5 finishes injured pike
--> Capture for the cost of 3 knights (2elite, 1 blue) which is quite less than expected.
The city has the Temple of Salomon, grocer and market (+academy).
Push my luck and try to see if I could recapture Addis this turn with what is left (need to win all but 2 fights -including some injured knights- vs 3pike and 2 maces, most fight around 50-60%)
C2S knight dies vs pike
injured C4S knight wins vs pike
but then lose the next 2 so I will be 1 short (and facing bad odds for the next one).
Get the survivors inside stacks and/or Gondar (3 injured knight there)
Situation
The situation is quite messy (see Gondor capture picture), we can lose a few injured knight(s) because DG has a healthy pike around, but gondor and Aksum are safe (except if the horse manage to kill the C3 knight defending, we could always move a chariot from behind for a turn).
Dg has around:
- a healthy (pike+horse) stack between Gondar and Addis
- 2 pikes (very injured) and 2 mace (1 very injured, 1 fine) in Addis (his injured units might promoted, but they won just 1 fight that were around 50%, so no huge promotion for them)
Qin has a mace, but escorting a settler, so should not attack.
I would consider not signing peace, and try to finish Addis next turn (we have 2 fresh knights around Aksum that can reach + all the survivors from Gondar massacre).
Then if Degaulle is then ready to sign give Gunpowder, we probably should as WW is starting to get quite high (I had to whip some theater/temple) and our economy is crashing a bit (or more exactly our science is not great).
The cheapest place to steal in DeGaulle land is Chicago, (small buddhist city next to Pacal border), we should send a spy asap (I had none to spare until last turn, as the one planned to do that is check the troops mouvments south of Yahe)
We also have just one spy in a Pacal city - Gaul - which for some reason (distance, religion) is by far the cheapest place to steal. We don't want really want to do it, but if we change our mind (and get more EP), the spy is building the stationary bonus (not full yet).
Jabah
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darrelljs
Immortal
Looks like you did a great job handling a difficult turnset Jabah. I appreciate the detailed reporting, it makes me feel like I was there. It also makes me glad I am not a citizen of Yeha or Addis Ababa 
. Speaking of Addis Ababa, it comes with Gems and Deer, so I vote we take it back before making peace. Unless my eyes doth deceive me that would leave Qin with just one city, it sure would be a shame to leave him around 
. If we don't have enough EPs to steal Gunpowder, it might be a good idea to burn through some of that cash to do so. Gondar was a real coup...it already has a Market, Grocer, and enough population to whip a Bank when it comes out of revolt.
@Kylearan - No problem, that happens. Anyway, your turnsets have been superb. I will also be unable to play from 4/1 to 4/6, although I should have spotty Internet access.
Darrell
. Speaking of Addis Ababa, it comes with Gems and Deer, so I vote we take it back before making peace. Unless my eyes doth deceive me that would leave Qin with just one city, it sure would be a shame to leave him around . If we don't have enough EPs to steal Gunpowder, it might be a good idea to burn through some of that cash to do so. Gondar was a real coup...it already has a Market, Grocer, and enough population to whip a Bank when it comes out of revolt.@Kylearan - No problem, that happens. Anyway, your turnsets have been superb. I will also be unable to play from 4/1 to 4/6, although I should have spotty Internet access.
Darrell
Jabah
Emperor
Qin has only 1 city left (and a settler around) which was very weakly defended last time I checked.
Unfortunatly to get there, we have to walk along DeGaulle border and up to now we couldn't spare the troops to make sure we won't get a nasty surprise on the way.
Unfortunatly to get there, we have to walk along DeGaulle border and up to now we couldn't spare the troops to make sure we won't get a nasty surprise on the way.
Kylearan
compound eye
What an exciting turn of events! Fantastic report Jabah, thanks for that! 
And you fought very well it seems, with some good tactical thinking. Good job!
Heh, I knew Emperor would be more fun than Monarch.
Long time I've seen such an interesting war in CIV. Okay, the outcome is not *really* in doubt, but still... Looks like Ozbenno has some interesting turns ahead as well. Taking Addis would be great, as would be the removal of Qin. But de Gaulle looks like he might have some surprises for us left, who knows...
-Kylearan
And you fought very well it seems, with some good tactical thinking. Good job!Heh, I knew Emperor would be more fun than Monarch.
Long time I've seen such an interesting war in CIV. Okay, the outcome is not *really* in doubt, but still... Looks like Ozbenno has some interesting turns ahead as well. Taking Addis would be great, as would be the removal of Qin. But de Gaulle looks like he might have some surprises for us left, who knows...-Kylearan
darrelljs
Immortal
One other thing to keep in mind on upgrading units...Cuirassier get 15% base withdraw and Calvarly get 30% base withdraw. The other thing would be that Knights get flank attack on Trebuchet and Catapluts, whereas Cuirassier and Calvarly get flank attack against Cannon. So it might be a good idea to keep some Knights around in case we see a big stack of obsolete artillery.
Alternatively, we can just produce so many units the AI has no prayer
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Darrell
Alternatively, we can just produce so many units the AI has no prayer
.Darrell
Got it.
Taking back Addis seems a no brainer but do we want to remove Qin from the game completely or take peace after Addis and then start building for war with Pacal (or even Ragnar)?
Taking back Addis seems a no brainer but do we want to remove Qin from the game completely or take peace after Addis and then start building for war with Pacal (or even Ragnar)?
Kylearan
compound eye
I'd vote for removing Qin completely, if de Gaulle allows it.
I have a look round and decide upon a plan.
Regaining control of Addis Ababa is the main objective. Once that is achieved I will look at eliminating Qin. His last city is the Taoist Holy City but is in an extremely bad position for us to keep longer term so I will probably raze it.
Once that is achieved, I will probably take whatever peace offer is on the table as WW is hitting us really hard at the moment (although if it drops off noticeably after Qin is gone I may continue on until a good peace offer is on the table).
If De Gaulle appears with a monster stack I may be forced to take peace before any objectives are met but we'll see on that front.
Let's get this started. Press Enter...
First IBT we lose 3 knights, including Once Were Keshik
and only mange to kill one pike.
Next turn we only have one fully healed knight in the area but Addis Ababa has 4 troops inside, 3 of which are heavily injured. I had 4 90%+ battles, won them all...
That leaves the battlefield looking like this...
An injured Pike, and 2 full strength Maces and an Oromo Warrior. Qin's mace is escorting a settler.
I then lose a knight at 87% trying to take out the pike, who is picked off easily. I then take out De Gaulle's CR2 mace at 78%.
Now Qin's mace can't get out of the forest to hurt me IBT but the Oromo Warrior can. I don't have the odds to get him this turn and if I leave him, he will kill one of our knights next IBT. A spy has also revealed Qin only has 2LBs in his last city. I think about taking peace but in the end move all our injured high XP knights out of Gondar, leaving 2 low XP ones in to take one for the team.
Next IBT, the Oromo disappears back to Qohaito and the settler founds a city in an awkward spot...
For Qin
I put the culture slider to help with WW as our big cities are starving and production is suffering..
We then have a couple of quiet turns with no major actions, waiting for the final push on Qin.
We have a situation develop at Yeha. I had spies near our borders precisely to spot this
I have to empty closeby cities and leave them on no defense and hope we can hold. We are spread thin on defense. I think about abandoning and then retaking but think we can hold.
We survive but will lose it next turn as a couple more troops re-appear. I move out and will raze when I retake next turn as its in a bad spot to keep.
I move on Qohaito. I kill an Oromo escoting a settler and leave the worker out to see if Qin is dumb enough to try and capture it.
Unbelievably, he is.
We use a spy for city revolt.
We lose 2 sacrificial low XP flanking knights but they do their job...
And Qin is destroyed.
I don't get the option of razing Yeha after re-taking it without loss. Maybe should have left it to De Gaulle but i just couldn't.
Now as WW is currently running at 13 I'm inclined to take this.
I've paused here for a bit of feedback. Not necessarily on peace (as we pretty much have to take that) but on next target. I'm going to play 7 more turns and we will have Gunpowder by the end of those turns (probably) so I need to start working out a plan of attack and sending our crack troops in that direction for the first Curassier war and up the EP slider accordingly.
Three targets spring to mind, come on down Ragnar, Pacal and De Gaulle.
Ragnar would be an easy target, which is both a plus and minus (ie it wouldn't take as much effort but could be done at any time). Fits OK with the shape of our empire. We haven't scouted his empire very well but as its not very big, doesn't matter. If we pick Ragnar, we can probably have 2 Curassier wars.
Pacal probably fits best with the shape of our empire but it is a long front we would need to defend. We have great line of sight with our EP spend on him though to counter that.
De Gaulle is #1 in power at the moment (just above us although he was way ahead recently) so that doesn't bode well but we are already in that part of the world if we want to take him on. Doesn't fit very well with our empire shape either.
For me, Pacal is the one to go after, what do we think? I'll finish the turns tomorrow.
BTW, our domination level is at 30%. I reckon Pacal and Ragnar combined as well as expanding pour western borders and east of Addis Ababa would get us close.
Regaining control of Addis Ababa is the main objective. Once that is achieved I will look at eliminating Qin. His last city is the Taoist Holy City but is in an extremely bad position for us to keep longer term so I will probably raze it.
Once that is achieved, I will probably take whatever peace offer is on the table as WW is hitting us really hard at the moment (although if it drops off noticeably after Qin is gone I may continue on until a good peace offer is on the table).
If De Gaulle appears with a monster stack I may be forced to take peace before any objectives are met but we'll see on that front.
Let's get this started. Press Enter...
First IBT we lose 3 knights, including Once Were Keshik
and only mange to kill one pike. Next turn we only have one fully healed knight in the area but Addis Ababa has 4 troops inside, 3 of which are heavily injured. I had 4 90%+ battles, won them all...
That leaves the battlefield looking like this...
An injured Pike, and 2 full strength Maces and an Oromo Warrior. Qin's mace is escorting a settler.
I then lose a knight at 87% trying to take out the pike, who is picked off easily. I then take out De Gaulle's CR2 mace at 78%
.Now Qin's mace can't get out of the forest to hurt me IBT but the Oromo Warrior can. I don't have the odds to get him this turn and if I leave him, he will kill one of our knights next IBT. A spy has also revealed Qin only has 2LBs in his last city. I think about taking peace but in the end move all our injured high XP knights out of Gondar, leaving 2 low XP ones in to take one for the team.
Next IBT, the Oromo disappears back to Qohaito and the settler founds a city in an awkward spot...
For Qin
I put the culture slider to help with WW as our big cities are starving and production is suffering..
We then have a couple of quiet turns with no major actions, waiting for the final push on Qin.
We have a situation develop at Yeha. I had spies near our borders precisely to spot this
I have to empty closeby cities and leave them on no defense and hope we can hold. We are spread thin on defense. I think about abandoning and then retaking but think we can hold.
We survive but will lose it next turn as a couple more troops re-appear. I move out and will raze when I retake next turn as its in a bad spot to keep.
I move on Qohaito. I kill an Oromo escoting a settler and leave the worker out to see if Qin is dumb enough to try and capture it.
Unbelievably, he is.
We use a spy for city revolt.
We lose 2 sacrificial low XP flanking knights but they do their job...
And Qin is destroyed.
I don't get the option of razing Yeha after re-taking it without loss. Maybe should have left it to De Gaulle but i just couldn't.
Now as WW is currently running at 13
I'm inclined to take this.I've paused here for a bit of feedback. Not necessarily on peace (as we pretty much have to take that) but on next target. I'm going to play 7 more turns and we will have Gunpowder by the end of those turns (probably) so I need to start working out a plan of attack and sending our crack troops in that direction for the first Curassier war and up the EP slider accordingly.
Three targets spring to mind, come on down Ragnar, Pacal and De Gaulle.
Ragnar would be an easy target, which is both a plus and minus (ie it wouldn't take as much effort but could be done at any time). Fits OK with the shape of our empire. We haven't scouted his empire very well but as its not very big, doesn't matter. If we pick Ragnar, we can probably have 2 Curassier wars.
Pacal probably fits best with the shape of our empire but it is a long front we would need to defend. We have great line of sight with our EP spend on him though to counter that.
De Gaulle is #1 in power at the moment (just above us although he was way ahead recently) so that doesn't bode well but we are already in that part of the world if we want to take him on. Doesn't fit very well with our empire shape either.
For me, Pacal is the one to go after, what do we think? I'll finish the turns tomorrow.
BTW, our domination level is at 30%. I reckon Pacal and Ragnar combined as well as expanding pour western borders and east of Addis Ababa would get us close.
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