MAFs - 3GB swith needed.

raxo2222

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I got new computer recently, specs are:

Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit.
CPU Type (processor)
--Intel Core i3 3220 CPU @3.3 GHz duo-core.
RAM
--4096 MB
Motherboard
--Some modern one, that supports i7 Intel processors too :D
Graphics
--GeForce GTX 550 Ti
Hard Drive
--80 GB HDD (don't need huge hard disks :p)
Audio
It has sound :p

But I still get MAFs on prehistoric and minimum settings.
I have version V28 of Caveman2Cosmos.

So how to do 3GB switch?
 
It can be hard to find. To be honest I've forgotten where the link is in the C2C forum.

However, I still have it saved as a favorite:

3GB switch for WinXP x32

Scroll down to reply #4 for instructions on doing this with Vista or Win7
 
Any swtich helps only so far. What realy helps is using a smaller viewport. I run on 50x50 since my machine seems to handle it well, but on my old computer 30x30 was more like it.
 
Any swtich helps only so far. What realy helps is using a smaller viewport. I run on 50x50 since my machine seems to handle it well, but on my old computer 30x30 was more like it.

It's there by default on Win 7 I believe.
 
It can be hard to find. To be honest I've forgotten where the link is in the C2C forum.

However, I still have it saved as a favorite:

3GB switch for WinXP x32

Scroll down to reply #4 for instructions on doing this with Vista or Win7
Done.

Any swtich helps only so far. What realy helps is using a smaller viewport. I run on 50x50 since my machine seems to handle it well, but on my old computer 30x30 was more like it.

I have viewports turned on (30x30 I think, but I don't think it was issue)
 
No offense to YOUR new PC, but your still pushing the boundaries of C2C, since its a HUGE mod. I suggest you play nothing over 10 civs per game. Even your PC that is NEW to YOU its OLD compared to the new i7's that are out there, again, i mean no disrespect.
 
No offense to YOUR new PC, but your still pushing the boundaries of C2C, since its a HUGE mod. I suggest you play nothing over 10 civs per game. Even your PC that is NEW to YOU its OLD compared to the new i7's that are out there, again, i mean no disrespect.

I was under the impression that C2C/Civ was limited to single core support. Why would it matter what core amount he has?
 
I was under the impression that C2C/Civ was limited to single core support. Why would it matter what core amount he has?

Because the single core part is very soon (after V29 release) going to start changing. But the important part is the 3 GB switch, along with Viewports or possibly getting a 64 bit os and more RAM.
 
No offense to YOUR new PC, but your still pushing the boundaries of C2C, since its a HUGE mod. I suggest you play nothing over 10 civs per game. Even your PC that is NEW to YOU its OLD compared to the new i7's that are out there, again, i mean no disrespect.

I'm playing with 7 civs.
What map size my computer can run? I'm playing on huge map.
And I'll upgrade my computer someday ;)
 
When the time comes to upgrade, the most important upgrade you can get is to a 64-bit version of the OS. The only reason not to go with a 64-bit version is for people with peripherals they want to keep using for which no 64-bit driver was ever made.

The CPU power is more than sufficient. Two reasonably quick cores with hyperthreading, just in case. Faster is better, but this is plenty fast - the fastest CPU you could buy for the thing is, per core, not much more than about 18% faster (without overclocking, the 3.9 GHz turbo speeds of a few i7 CPUs vs. the 3.3 GHz of yours directly gives 13/11 => +18.1818... percent, although the bigger L3 cache may also help some). Your new CPU is slightly faster than my new CPU - my first choice was actually the one you got, but budget issues convinced me to drop down to a Pentium G2120 (I don't know why, but the Ivy Bridge Pentiums are 2xxx series, whereas they are 3xxx series for the i3, i5, and i7), which is almost the same thing but only clocked at 3.1GHz and does not have Hyperthreading. (Literally the day after I ordered it the G2130 came out, which is clocked at 3.2GHz and was the exact same price on Newegg - incredibly irritating timing. In fact, they are still the same price, I just checked. Anybody who orders the G2120 instead of the G2130 at the same price is clearly not paying attention to what they are doing.)

If you upgrade to a 64-bit OS, doubling the memory could be helpful although the difference would be small. You didn't say how fast the memory is. The CPU you have supports DDR3-1600 if the motherboard does (and it probably does). It makes a small but potentially noticeable difference (all other things being equal, the 1600 speed has 20% greater throughput than the 1333 speed - but all other things are often not equal).
 
When the time comes to upgrade, the most important upgrade you can get is to a 64-bit version of the OS.

I agree. I'm amazed at the number of people that report they have 4GB RAM and only a 32bitOS. Nobody but scam artists should be selling set-ups like that.
 
When the time comes to upgrade, the most important upgrade you can get is to a 64-bit version of the OS. The only reason not to go with a 64-bit version is for people with peripherals they want to keep using for which no 64-bit driver was ever made.

The CPU power is more than sufficient. Two reasonably quick cores with hyperthreading, just in case. Faster is better, but this is plenty fast - the fastest CPU you could buy for the thing is, per core, not much more than about 18% faster (without overclocking, the 3.9 GHz turbo speeds of a few i7 CPUs vs. the 3.3 GHz of yours directly gives 13/11 => +18.1818... percent, although the bigger L3 cache may also help some). Your new CPU is slightly faster than my new CPU - my first choice was actually the one you got, but budget issues convinced me to drop down to a Pentium G2120 (I don't know why, but the Ivy Bridge Pentiums are 2xxx series, whereas they are 3xxx series for the i3, i5, and i7), which is almost the same thing but only clocked at 3.1GHz and does not have Hyperthreading. (Literally the day after I ordered it the G2130 came out, which is clocked at 3.2GHz and was the exact same price on Newegg - incredibly irritating timing. In fact, they are still the same price, I just checked. Anybody who orders the G2120 instead of the G2130 at the same price is clearly not paying attention to what they are doing.)

If you upgrade to a 64-bit OS, doubling the memory could be helpful although the difference would be small. You didn't say how fast the memory is. The CPU you have supports DDR3-1600 if the motherboard does (and it probably does). It makes a small but potentially noticeable difference (all other things being equal, the 1600 speed has 20% greater throughput than the 1333 speed - but all other things are often not equal).
My motherboard is: P8B75-M LE (Model)
Chipset: Intel Ivy Bridge
Southbridge: Intel P75/B75
LPCIO: NCT6779

I have DDR3-1600 memory. (it has clock 9.0 or something too)

I agree. I'm amazed at the number of people that report they have 4GB RAM and only a 32bitOS. Nobody but scam artists should be selling set-ups like that.

Computer was custom-built. And I didn't knew that 64-bit OS are better for computers. What is difference in performance between 64-bit OS and 32-bit one?
 
Actually there's nothing wrong with 4gb of RAM and a 32bit OS. You'll just be "wasting" 300-500mb of RAM, so that's negligible. And even those can me made available by using a RAMdisk (Gavotte, SuperSpeed, etc).
It's just when you have over 4gb of RAM that you want a 64bit OS.

@raxo2222
64bit isn't necessarily better than 32bit, it's just that you can use more memory per application with it. For an end user that's basically all there is to know about it. There are other potential benefits to it, but none of that really matters if you don't already know about it.

That being said, you should definitely go with an 64bit OS for any future use.
 
Definetley go for 64bit OS. That change alone reduced MAF on my old 2GB DDR2 RAM , core 2 duo machine by about 60%, and that was before viewports. With viewports I I could keep MAF at bay at least till late renaisance era, often longer.
( And yes, that machine actually coped with C2C, as crazy at it sounds.. I just had to be patient when it came to end turn calculation times... going to cook or wahs the dishes, do laundry or read something helped there)
 
I still get mafs... Didn't 3GB switch worked. Viewports are 50x50, and I reduced all settings to minimum. Is there way to reduce memory load? I play on giant map with 7 civs.
 
How old is that 80GB HD? Transfer rate could be abysmal.

How Full is that 80 GB HD?

Are you letting Windows manage your Visual performance settings?

And finally how many programs do you have running in the background from your taskbar? This could be very important on an 80 GB HD with a 32 bit OS and 4 GB of ram.

The 3GB Switch is basically an XP fix as Koshling stated.

JosEPh
 
How old is that 80GB HD? Transfer rate could be abysmal.

How Full is that 80 GB HD?

Are you letting Windows manage your Visual performance settings?

And finally how many programs do you have running in the background from your taskbar? This could be very important on an 80 GB HD with a 32 bit OS and 4 GB of ram.

The 3GB Switch is basically an XP fix as Koshling stated.

JosEPh

Its kinda new, it has like 6 montchs now.

There is still 30 GB free space left.

Windows manages visual performance settings.

Antivirus and diskeeper are only really demanding background programs, I have 3 more of them.

I reduced viewports to 40x40 from 50x50, so no mafs for now.
 
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