Mandatory drug and STD infection testing before intimacy

[Lotus49]

There's nothing wrong or remotely inappropriate with requiring documentation of recent medical certifications proving a healthy, thoroughly tested, infection free individual prior to consenting to any form of intimacy with a dating partner, is there?

In fact, IMO that should be the absolute minimum requirement - providing the certificates / test results. My preference would be to actually be present at the reputable medical facility and witness the blood being drawn, and the subsequent documentation being presented by the professional(s).

In fact, more than one facility -for redundancy- is ideal.

Anyway I don't think this is too much to ask. And of course, I don't ask for anything that I myself am not fully prepared to provide.

 

[Bill3000]

How the hell do you enforce it?

 

[JollyRoger]

While you're asking her for documentation, I'm helping her decide between her place or mine.

 

[skadistic]

Maybe in some ones own personal life but not in society as a whole.

 

[El_Machinae]

It's a reasonable request, to be honest. It might diminish your play, but it's still reasonable.

edit: er, at a personal level of course.

 

[JohnRM]

If you want to make that your own personal policy toward prospective partners, then so be it. If you are talking about making it a public policy, enforced by the government and law enforcement, then I am going to have to fight you on this.

 

[puglover]

Maybe in some ones own personal life but not in society as a whole.

I agree. What's to lose?

 

[mrt144]

Where did this come from? ARe you worried you have a disease?

obviously there is nothing wrong with it, but on the other hand it does put out a vibe that you're paranoid and can't trust people. In fact, I'd put forth that the risk to reward is compeltely ascew in your mind. the risk of getting an STD can be mitigated by A. choosing partners wisely B. always using protection C. getting yourselves tested every 6 months D. learning that life exists post STD.

I got HSV I a few years back when I was in some amatuer porn movies with my GF at the time. we had a threesome with teh producer and he aparently had just contracted it from another girl that had open cold sores on her mouth. So long story short, I tell every partner I am with that I have herpes now, even though it is HSV I. (it's a great litmus test for the character of the other person in terms of acceptance)

Life goes on, very happily I might add.

as for drugs, isnt it obvious when people do drugs habitually? is it that hard to avoid them?

 

[Lotus49]

Maybe in some ones own personal life but not in society as a whole.

Yeah of course - that's what I meant (personal life). What I'm asking is basically; when I make it known that this is how I operate, it is justified for me to receive any offensive reaction because of it? Should it be construed as an insult?

 

[JollyRoger]

Yeah of course - that's what I meant (personal life). What I'm asking is basically; when I make it known that this is how I operate, it is justified for me to receive any offensive reaction because of it? Should it be construed as an insult?

Maybe it should not be, but it generally will be.

 

[mrt144]

its not insulting directly, it just makes you look like a completely paranoid, untrusting, self preserving loon. the mininmal stuff is standard, the going to tests in person etc, is just creepy and over the top.

 

[El_Machinae]

It's something that society would have to get used to, like a girl asking a guy to put on a glove first. Nowadays, it's accepted. There was a time when it was acceptable for the guy to get upset, though.

 

[Lotus49]

Maybe it should not be, but it generally will be.

And that's the crux of the discussion. For me, some things are more important than an evening of swapping juices. I value health, and am repulsed by disease, especially of this kind. So keeping that in mind, it shouldn't be too hard to understand this rational point of view that I have, and (she should) not give me a hard time over it.

 

[skadistic]

Yeah of course - that's what I meant (personal life). What I'm asking is basically; when I make it known that this is how I operate, it is justified for me to receive any offensive reaction because of it? Should it be construed as an insult?

If they are insulted it clearly isn't a girl you'd want to be with right? I wouldn't be worried if I was you. You may be lonely for a while.

 

[Mirc]

It's a reasonable request, to be honest. It might diminish your play, but it's still reasonable.

edit: er, at a personal level of course.

I agree.


Oh and it is absolutely necessary and adequate IMHO if the woman is a prostitute (they are legal in some places of the world if there's anyone that doesn't know that ).

 

[LucyDuke]

Yeah of course - that's what I meant (personal life). What I'm asking is basically; when I make it known that this is how I operate, it is justified for me to receive any offensive reaction because of it? Should it be construed as an insult?

It's perfectly justified to be offended. Obviously, you're free to make whatever demands you like. It's just kind of silly if you're surprised when she walks out on you for insinuating that you don't trust her word. I also find it pretty silly that you would want to be intimate with someone you don't trust. Personally, I wouldn't be insulted, it would just demonstrate to me that you're not what I'm looking for. At all.

Anyway, good luck with that policy. You might find somebody that digs it.

Condoms are pretty different. It's not just "I don't want your possible nasty disease," it's "I don't want your possible nasty baby."

 

[Lotus49]

If they are insulted it clearly isn't a girl you'd want to be with right? I wouldn't be worried if I was you. You may be lonely for a while.

And I'm fully prepared for whatever consequences along those lines. As I just said previously, I have my priorities.

But the problem is... the extent to which I require 'proof of cleanliness'. The only way a woman would go along with the seemingly germophobic regimen/ordeal that I have in store, is if they really REALLY wanted to make out with me... to the point where they're willing to go down to the lab and break their biology down shotgun style before rebuilding it and taking it to the firing range. And that seldom ever comes my way, unfortunately.

I guess my point of view is; there is NO enounter within the realm of physical experience that is worth a 0.01% chance/risk of getting herpes in the process. And out there, the odds are far greater.

 

[Gilder]

This reminds me a bit of a video I saw somewher on the 'net where two teenagers were about to have sex and made the entire process of impulses into a legal debate.

It was full of sexual innuendo and hilarious.

 

[Lotus49]

It's perfectly justified to be offended. Obviously, you're free to make whatever demands you like. It's just kind of silly if you're surprised when she walks out on you for insinuating that you don't trust her word. I also find it pretty silly that you would want to be intimate with someone you don't trust. Personally, I wouldn't be insulted, it would just demonstrate to me that you're not what I'm looking for. At all.

Anyway, good luck with that policy. You might find somebody that digs it.

Condoms are pretty different. It's not just "I don't want your possible nasty disease," it's "I don't want your possible nasty baby."

Not what you're looking for? So what are you looking for? A Casanova (aka male ho) that taps into whatever comes his way on a regular basis, throwing all caution and concern into the winds?

Seems to me the more scientific approach is always the more intelligent one. And just like when shopping for a car, or a house, etc., you want to make sure you know exactly what you're "getting into". Plus, in this case the consequences are potentially far more dire, than merely a bad financial investment.

Basically, a lot women are carriers of heebie-jeebies (including their male ho's). Of course they're offended when you ask them to come clean on the matter. But there's no way I'm going to lower standards, and risk joining that cesspool.

"Don't like my germs?! Well, to heck with you".

"No. To heck with you."

 

[warpus]

There's nothing wrong or remotely inappropriate with requiring documentation of recent medical certifications proving a healthy, thoroughly tested, infection free individual prior to consenting to any form of intimacy with a dating partner, is there?

In fact, IMO that should be the absolute minimum requirement - providing the certificates / test results. My preference would be to actually be present at the reputable medical facility and witness the blood being drawn, and the subsequent documentation being presented by the professional(s).

In fact, more than one facility -for redundancy- is ideal.

Anyway I don't think this is too much to ask. And of course, I don't ask for anything that I myself am not fully prepared to provide.

So in your opinion

"Hey, wanna pee in a cup?"

is a good pick-up line?