[MAP] [Map] My huge 19 civ map for v.25 +

[Nikis-Knight]

Hi, welcome to Civfanatics.
The Sidar are going to be moved all around, so they can interact more with the other civs and don't have a huge expanse of barb filled land at their backs.
The way the Malakim and Calabim are set up, they have several areas with a handful of deserts but enough floodplains to compensate. However, early in the game you hardly need all the tiles in your fat cross, so this tends to be an advantage without a drawback. They might get some minor tweaks in the future.

The Ai should also be making better unit choices next version, Kael is working on it.

 

[Mightypeon]

Hi, I was acutally lurking for quite a long time and playing Civ 4 for a fair bit longer.

The points about the flood plains make a lot of sense, since health/happyness are a non issue for the AI on higher difficulty levels.

I am close to believe that some barrows in the Malakim/Calabim area may a good idea.

It could also be that the bad performance of Amurites/Illians/Doviello is caused by them, not by their starting points. I rarely see any of them doing well in random games too.

 

[White Elk]

Man this is a Great map Nikis-Knight. I have enjoyed it immensely. Even the consistent MAFs couldn't deter me from playing on. But now I've been WOC'd (the Waiting for Other Civilizations bug) and cannot go on. I loaded from a previous auto-save and replayed the turn but still got WOC'd. Any ideas?

 

[Nikis-Knight]

Man this is a Great map Nikis-Knight. I have enjoyed it immensely. Even the consistent MAFs couldn't deter me from playing on. But now I've been WOC'd (the Waiting for Other Civilizations bug) and cannot go on. I loaded from a previous auto-save and replayed the turn but still got WOC'd. Any ideas?

JDexter said to save and load while that is happening. (That'd be shift F5 & shift F8 respectively.) Can't vouch personally for that though.

By the way, the Grigori starting point is a rush players wt dream, built your first city near the remains of the Vatherland/Wine/Gold spot, get Minging/Roads/bronze working, plop a second city at the cow/copper spot and rush the snot out of the Tates.

I thought of a way to limit these a bit--I'll add jungle or change the terrain to desert under the ruins of Patria.

 

[White Elk]

Waiting for Other Civilizations bug....

JDexter said to save and load while that is happening. (That'd be shift F5 & shift F8 respectively.) Can't vouch personally for that though.

Thanks, I'll give it a shot using the hotkeys. I have tried using the menu to save and then reload, but I still got WOC'd. Going back and replaying older turns didn't work either. I hope using the hot keys work since the game was one of the most interesting I've ever played. And the AI was just getting the late game units which is very rare for me when playing the smaller maps. I couldn't wait to finish this game and play other civs. It really is a great map, you've done a fine job with it! I just wish it was smaller, but I guess it just wouldn't be the same then. But most of all I wish that Firaxis had been able to fix the MAF and also avoid whatever it is that causes the WOC. Everyone should be able to play your map and experiance FfH at its finest!

 

[Civkid1991]

i noticed how you put the light and dark elves side by side and the Amurites and the Doviello side by side but what about the Calabim and the Sheaim... seems like Os-Gabella's children would be the civ right next door

 

[Moos]

Have played two games so far on this map and I like it.
But, both times the Balseraphs have grown to dominate all others since they kill off the barbs and get the back free.

Might be something to look into.

 

[Nikis-Knight]

i noticed how you put the light and dark elves side by side and the Amurites and the Doviello side by side but what about the Calabim and the Sheaim... seems like Os-Gabella's children would be the civ right next door

Well, they aren't too far from each other, but I didn't feel a need to have them be neighbors since they left long ago. I tried to keep the alignments mixed in general for conflict's sake, though sometimes it just means that the neutrals spread their religion and change the evil's alignments (I'm looking at you, dwarves!)

But, both times the Balseraphs have grown to dominate all others since they kill off the barbs and get the back free.

I put up a new version that kills some of this free land.

 

[Nikis-Knight]

Updated the first post with a new map; a large map with 12 civs. The intention is to have a scenario where all the religions come into play.

 

[loki1232]

The download link for your new one doesn't seem to be working, also what civs do you have for each religion?

I'd say Hannah and Perpentach for OO, Luchuirp and Khazad for Runes, and Fol and Hippus for leaves. But just guesses.

 

[Nikis-Knight]

You must have started as I removed it, sorry (I always forget to remove the initial visibility until I play again.) It should work now.
The leaders used are Dain, Amelenchier, Varn, Einon, Hannah, Perp, Capria, Os-Gabella, Arturus, Garrim, Faeryl, and Morgoth.
I was tempted to use two Ljos leaders, but put in the Amurites instead; Leaves seems to have a little more affininty for magic than other religions and the alignment fits.

 

[loki1232]

Oh of course, i forgot about those other two new religions. Good point.

 

[vorshlumpf]

Well, I finally let go of my first game. No one was summoning Hyborem, the Celestial compass didn't give me that bonus, and the AC wasn't really going up anyway (I wanted to have a "Battle the AC Rise" game as the Elohim), so I figured it was time to try another. It was a pretty sweet game though - I love this map.

Here are some things I found specific to your map (tile positions may be slightly off):

- there is forest in a Coast tile three tiles right and two tiles above the Pool of Tears
- there is forest in a Coast tile two tiles right and three tiles above the Ljosolfar starting position
- the fort that is placed 9 squares above and 2 squares left of the Elohim start position does not give a defencive bonus
- there is a ocean tile with fish that is not accessible to anyone located south of the Malaki desert (north-east of the Black Tower)

 

[Demus]

just tried out the new map, playing as the elves (ljos). One thing i quickly noticed was their lack of incense, which made them inable to train their priests neccesary for bloom. Of course i ended up trading it with the amurites, but i recon it'd be better to exchange one of the silk resources with an incense.

 

[julko]

There is one next to the beach north of "Rantine's retreat", if i remember it correctly.

 

[zxcvbnm]

Will there someday be a smaller and more computer-friendly version of your huge map?

 

[Nikis-Knight]

- there is forest in a Coast tile three tiles right and two tiles above the Pool of Tears
- there is forest in a Coast tile two tiles right and three tiles above the Ljosolfar starting position
- the fort that is placed 9 squares above and 2 squares left of the Elohim start position does not give a defencive bonus

Ah, I'll look into the forest. The fort is there to act as a chanel, mostly, so I don't care about the defensive bonus. I'd assume it would if it fell into someone's territory, though?

No one was summoning Hyborem

Ach, it's probably the evil civs converting too soon. Those stupid elves & dwarves. Wanting to play as Basium is what made me make the new map.
Be sure to get the latest version if you start another.

just tried out the new map, playing as the elves (ljos). One thing i quickly noticed was their lack of incense, which made them inable to train their priests neccesary for bloom. Of course i ended up trading it with the amurites, but i recon it'd be better to exchange one of the silk resources with an incense.

Well, incense is important... so I'll probably do as you suggest, though I want to encourage trading with your partner so alliances form semi-naturally and I don't have to add in pre-existing diplomacy bonuses/penalties.

Will there someday be a smaller and more computer-friendly version of your huge map?

I can't say. It'd be nice, but it'd also be a lot of work, so I won't promise anything.

 

[zxcvbnm]

Will there someday be a smaller and more computer-friendly version of your huge map?

I can't say. It'd be nice, but it'd also be a lot of work, so I won't promise anything.

There's always the converter which reduces the amount of work by 80%

 

[Nikis-Knight]

Ah, I forgot to look for that. I downloaded it, and will play around later today.

 

[Calavente]

which still leaves 20% of ALOT that is still a lot ...
but you're right... it helps

maybe s/o interested in this kind of reduction can do it him(her)self and then give it to the community ??? (instead of asking Nikis to do all the hard job..)