classical_hero
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One thing we agree on is the quality of Honest Trailers.
March of the 300
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One thing we agree on is the quality of Honest Trailers.
ReindeerThistle
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Honest Trailers is awesome!
Manco Capac
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I'm no Aryan, but I support entirely your point of view. Nonetheless, better let people enjoy what they enjoy. If they get a distorted view of persian culture because of that movie, let it be. Because these very people were too lazy in the first place to think in a critical way. Normally, if a racist POV arises from this movie (which I'm pretty it won't happen from people around here), it's because they were racist from the start. And racist are generally either egostistic or lazy people. They are lost cause from the beginning.
Anyways, other neutral parties can certainly enjoy the movie despite inaccurate since accuracy was definitely not the very purpose of the movie. Not my thing, but for accurate depiction of history, there is always the classical documentary (more or less depending the quality and objectivity of the documentary).
caketastydelish
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I would prefer some movie about the Byzantine-Sassanid final showdown/mega war, along with the resulting rise of Islam. Age of Heraclius, or something
This.
It's the directors comments that bothered me. Here's the quote I'm talking about, coming from the wikipedia page of the movie in the "historical accuracy" section:
"The director of 300, Zack Snyder, stated in an MTV interview that "the events are 90 percent accurate. It's just in the visualization that it's crazy.... I've shown this movie to world-class historians who have said it's amazing. They can't believe it's as accurate as it is."
Maybe a tad bit, but not really. What I was really saying is teenage boys will be teenage boys, but as long as the directors don't lie that their fantasy is "at least 90 percent accurate" I don't necessarily mind. I'm not like so many other Persians that are offended by the depiction they present. The depiction is fine, so long as they don't rub it in by calling it the truth, which they obviously did rub it in. That's why I'm complaining.
A movie about Persians freeing the Jews from Babylon would be best.
AdamCrock
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OMG ! At this age and time all that fancy shmancy armors of theirs (with visible fake gold trimm 
) ! wow ! I bet they were not wearing things like that at all ! But after all it's a movie it's for entertaining us , not teching history so let it be
) ! wow ! I bet they were not wearing things like that at all ! But after all it's a movie it's for entertaining us , not teching history so let it be
caketastydelish
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Don't make brag about how 'historically accurate' your movie is, that's my point.
Tycho Brahe
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Erasing the memory of Sparta from history, by burying it under a mountain of nonsense about Sparta - and Persia.
I'm a male heterosexual. I'm not turned on by bodybuilders in red thongs. I have nothing against gay porn, I just don't care about it myself.
I'm a male heterosexual. I'm not turned on by bodybuilders in red thongs. I have nothing against gay porn, I just don't care about it myself.
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
I think it's more like the Greek thing for the body You see. They would love to see guys in thongs (smeared all over with oil from olives) fighting with beasts and with each other or racing or jumping or throwing discs or spears for a distance - they called it Olympics or Athletics. Greeks have worshipped the body (mostly manly man's body but their overall population seems to indicate they have "worshiped: females as well
-> just in the bed and not in the stadium 
).
Well, the Spartans (or any other Greeks of that age) did not wear those things, let alone in battle. They had heavy armor
I have to suppose that the 300 has them without the armor exactly because it wanted to sell the body image as well. Contrasted to the Persians, who wear (in the film) almost full-body-covering clothes.
But yes, as i noted before, the beauty of the body was a healthy idea in ancient Greece. I suppose that christianity ruined it (at least to the degree that it made it have negative connotation as well).
classical_hero
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These movies never were meant to be historically accurate, but accurate to it's source material, that being comic books. Just allow these movies to be mindless entertainment and just that. AS honest trailers said, "The movie is based on a graphic novel, based on an older movie, based on ancient Greek propaganda, based on a true story." Pretty much that is as accurate as it can get about the movie, sso just enjoy it for what it is.
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
Well, the Spartans (or any other Greeks of that age) did not wear those things, let alone in battle. They had heavy armor
I have to suppose that the 300 has them without the armor exactly because it wanted to sell the body image as well. Contrasted to the Persians, who wear (in the film) almost full-body-covering clothes.
But yes, as i noted before, the beauty of the body was a healthy idea in ancient Greece. I suppose that christianity ruined it (at least to the degree that it made it have negative connotation as well).
I have always been fascinated about the Greek body thing ! Mind You I am not Gay ! I repeat I am not Gay ! But truly there is something to it ! Is it not ? The man's competition ! The smear of olives wearing out with the sweat and blood ! The blood ! Oh God ! (or Gods !) Would You like to see it first hand ! I know I would !
+1
^I doubt that the athletes were the ones usually looking exceedingly beautiful (cause many of the athletic games required a towering physique, and not the Hyacinthine-Apollonian beauty ).
Somatic strength also was a value, but given that many notables were neither strong in such a way nor good looking (Socrates is often mentioned to had been looking like a goat, or similar ), it has to be assumed that those virtues and values did not often exclude others, at least in most of the Polities.
I mean Sparta was a Greek Polis, but so was Sybaris (in Italy), and the latter supposedly was filled with obese people
In Plato's dialogues this virtue of the beauty of the body is very often a focus of discussions, either on its own, or in relation to other matters. For example Socrates introduces Protagoras (the philosopher) by noting that the latter is to be deemed as beautiful, since beauty of the mind is also a high beauty.
^I doubt that the athletes were the ones usually looking exceedingly beautiful (cause many of the athletic games required a towering physique, and not the Hyacinthine-Apollonian beauty
).Somatic strength also was a value, but given that many notables were neither strong in such a way nor good looking (Socrates is often mentioned to had been looking like a goat, or similar
), it has to be assumed that those virtues and values did not often exclude others, at least in most of the Polities.I mean Sparta was a Greek Polis, but so was Sybaris (in Italy), and the latter supposedly was filled with obese people
In Plato's dialogues this virtue of the beauty of the body is very often a focus of discussions, either on its own, or in relation to other matters. For example Socrates introduces Protagoras (the philosopher) by noting that the latter is to be deemed as beautiful, since beauty of the mind is also a high beauty.
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
As the Greek proverb or Roman I guess goes : "Give me the Games and the bread and I will be happy !" (wine is there too probably .... probably it goes: "Give me the Games, Bread and Wine and I will be happy" probably 
Also well lets face it : there is no Polis (City) without a wine ! - "There is no City without a wine" , but that's Dionisos for You Is it not a great god of old ?
(wine is there too probably .... probably it goes: "Give me the Games, Bread and Wine and I will be happy" probably Also well lets face it : there is no Polis (City) without a wine ! - "There is no City without a wine" , but that's Dionisos for You Is it not a great god of old ?
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
The bread and games sounds utterly roman
But the city/wine one sounds more greek. :\
Although the more relevant proverb would be "a healthy mind in a healthy body"
I wes thinking the reverse actually "A healthy body holds a healthy mind" but I guess it works both ways. It is not stupid, it is a very good proverb - Amazing how the Greek culture is still on top. Romans adopted it and still we try to cultivate it. Well I have to admit that most of the European culture derived from Romans and most of it (if not all of it) is Greek in origin.
