[RD] Mark Rubio, Bene Gesserit Truthsayer

Pointing out his small inauguration crowd and popular vote loss are not necessarily attempts to undermine him. They are facts, offered partly to check his claims of a broad popular mandate for his policies, partly to troll him.
 
metalhead said:
Pointing out his small inauguration crowd and popular vote loss are not necessarily attempts to undermine him. They are facts, offered partly to check his claims of a broad popular mandate for his policies, partly to troll him.
Click to expand...

That's not what I'm talking about. After the results were announced I regularly heard things like "I won't be watching the fake inauguration" or "join the movement to retroactively abolish the electoral college and make Hillary president instead" (plenty of those people weren't political commentators). I also recall riots where people chanted "not my President" and burned effigies of Trump.
 
Neonanocyborgasm said:
His speeches are hollow. If he means anything of what he says, let him take action.
Click to expand...
Talk is cheap. Then again, we are talking about people talking to other people.
In any case, recognizing a problem is the first step to solving it.
 
Valka D'Ur said:
Strictly speaking (to be pedantic), his eyes should be blue-within-blue (spice addiction) and he would have had to undergo many years of Bene Gesserit training (they don't often bother training males).

But that was an excellent speech (on the surface; I don't know the context that prompted it), and something like it would be beneficial in Canada, as well. I remember a time during the Mulroney years (1984-1993) when Question Period was more shouting and theatrics than calm questions and answers (hardly any questions are given real answers in QP anyway).

Nowadays is a little better, but not much. A lot of partisan sniping has been taken to Twitter, where even 140 words is plenty long enough to say unparliamentary things.
Click to expand...
The dismissal comes from the fact that Rubio is one of the artitechs of the present partisan climate. It'd be like if Bush warned about the dangers of allowing tragedy to cause people to surrender power to the executive branch. A true statement, but hard not to be suspicious of considering the source. Or for a more Canadian example, if Harper released a speech about the necessities of playing fair in an election.
 
Timsup2nothin said:
Number one, I'm fairly happy with the world as it is. Number two, I think that there is far more likelihood of making the world even better if my words and actions include beating the snot out of people who demonstrably cannot be talked out of making it worse.
Click to expand...

You want to make the world great again? :o
 
Kyriakos said:
You want to make the world great again? :o
Click to expand...

It's more like maintenance. If someone demonstrates they want to make it worse I see no benefit in standing around and letting them. The "lead by example and the destructive will come around to your 'love thy brother' point of view" plan doesn't seem to be working.
 
Mouthwash said:
That's not what I'm talking about. After the results were announced I regularly heard things like "I won't be watching the fake inauguration" or "join the movement to retroactively abolish the electoral college and make Hillary president instead" (plenty of those people weren't political commentators). I also recall riots where people chanted "not my President" and burned effigies of Trump.
Click to expand...

People did that when Obama was elected. They did it when Bush was elected. People tend to take it badly when their side loses. I don't see how those are attempts to undermine him. In fact I doubt the people you see saying and doing those things believe themselves capable of undermining him. I mean, how far did that "movement to retroactively abolish the electoral college and make Hillary president instead" get, exactly? And where did you see these things that make you believe them legitimate attempts to undermine the president?

A few feeble outlets for anger over the election results are probably not something you should take too seriously. The real work being done to check this president is being done in a wholly legitimate way - public pressure on Congress and working to win elections.
 
Timsup2nothin said:
It's more like maintenance. If someone demonstrates they want to make it worse I see no benefit in standing around and letting them. The "lead by example and the destructive will come around to your 'love thy brother' point of view" plan doesn't seem to be working.
Click to expand...

Domestically, does it not? I mean, violence rates are actually down, aren't they? So far concentrating the badness on the blue containment lines seems to be relatively effective. Not olly olly oxen free level effective, but still.

Unless we want to broaden our understanding of "destructive." Then I'd say high suicide rates are caused by something, and while a suicide is a harm and badness in and all by itself, somebody simply deciding that life isn't worth living is probably also indicative of a large amount of things that go into quality of life already having been destroyed/not provided/warped.
 
BvBPL said:
What makes you say that?
Click to expand...

You made him say it, by creating this ridiculous thread. The whole "oh, woe for the lack of civility and cooperation" line coming from Marco Rubio is hypocrisy at such a grotesque level that there is really nothing to do but point it out and laugh.
 
Timsup2nothin said:
You made him say it, by creating this ridiculous thread. The whole "oh, woe for the lack of civility and cooperation" line coming from Marco Rubio is hypocrisy at such a grotesque level that there is really nothing to do but point it out and laugh.
Click to expand...
Why?
 
BvBPL said:
Why?
Click to expand...

At this point, if I were you, I would deliver a stern lecture that could have been lifted from a middle school civics textbook about the need to pay attention to what our elected officials are doing.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00058

Question: On the Motion (Shall the Senator be Permitted to Proceed in Order? )

Rubio (R-FL), Nay
Click to expand...

After voting along partisan lines to silence civil debate Rubio makes a speech in favor of it (we'll ignore his long, long prior history of absurd partisanship - participating in the unprecedented obstruction of Obama, doubling down on this with his campaign rhetoric, etc, etc....). This is textbook hypocrisy.
 
A contemporary vote doesn't make one an architect, but rather a follower.
What else?
 
Timsup2nothin said:
Apparently not. Look to the east.
Click to expand...

I'm passing familiar with my east. The northerly part is fun to visit. The southerly part is fun to visit too, but has a 30 year head start on what the Rust belt voters are complaining about, largely under unrivaled Democratic governance no less. That one has actually caught back up to the 90s. I could also look to my west, at Rockford. I could also look to my South, at Decatur. I mean, these are just the drags slowing CA from escape velocity, yesh? We could go full Pontiac I suppose. Bill left room to go more hardcore. Everyone kept messing up our requests to take Gitmo, tho, so I'm not sure how cooperative our compatriots would be.
 
BvBPL said:
What else?
Click to expand...

I'm not sure if you are doing this on purpose, but acting like a five-year-old asking an endless series of 'why' questions and then lamenting how the discourse has fallen into the gutter is almost as hypocritical as Marco Rubio.
 
Farm Boy said:
I'm passing familiar with my east. The northerly part is fun to visit. The southerly part is fun to visit too, but has a 30 year head start on what the Rust belt voters are complaining about, largely under unrivaled Democratic governance no less. That one has actually caught back up to the 90s. I could also look to my west, at Rockford. I could also look to my South, at Decatur. I mean, these are just the drags slowing CA from escape velocity, yesh? We could go full Pontiac I suppose. Bill left room to go more hardcore. Everyone kept messing up our requests to take Gitmo, tho, so I'm not sure how cooperative our compatriots would be.
Click to expand...

Look further to the east. We the people elect representation that is committed to widespread destruction, and slowly but surely that destruction happens.
 
Lexicus said:
I'm not sure if you are doing this on purpose, but acting like a five-year-old asking an endless series of 'why' questions and then lamenting how the discourse has fallen into the gutter is almost as hypocritical as Marco Rubio.
Click to expand...

Almost?

Yes, by the way, he is doing it on purpose.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom