mb2-a space oddity

[mad-bax]

Space: Between you and Earp you guys have made my day already.

I'm up and will play tonight.

On a personal note, I now have adsl at home. It's bliss. I will be holding a ceremony later today in which my old 56k modem will be burned.

 

[a space oddity]

Originally posted by mad-bax
On a personal note, I now have adsl at home. It's bliss. I will be holding a ceremony later today in which my old 56k modem will be burned.

Way to go Mad. We'll be expecting lots of pictures with your posts now...

 

[TedJackson]

Originally posted by mad-bax
On a personal note, I now have adsl at home.

Congrats. You'll wonder how you ever managed to get anything done on dialup


regards

Ted

 

[Brewster]

Congradulations mad-bax, you have just entered the Modern Age. Be careful though, there is no telling what a man with a fast connection is capable of.

 

[mad-bax]

I didn't manage to finish my turns last night. I played 7 so will have to finish tonight.

I feel as if more should have happened in the turns I did play though. Still, no disasters yet.

 

[mad-bax]

250: Pre-turn checks - OK.
Vetoed courthouse in Damascus for horse

IBT:
yamama temple - horse
Muscat Barracks - Horse

260AD:
Horse dies attacking Izmit a little ambitious.
Tell Gandhi to leave. He promises he will

IBT:
Learn Monarchy
Mecca Horse - Horse
Khurasan spear - Horse
Aden spear - Galley
Mansura spear - Horse

270: Damascus change to Hanging gardens as pre-build for Sun Tzu's perhaps.
Declare war on Egypt,
Indians still hanging around Bursa. But I won't allow them to hold me up any more.
I leave Bursa defended by a spear and 2 Horses. If India declare, then that's their hard luck

IBT:
Kufah spear - Horse
Bukhara spear - Horse

280:
Capture Pithom (Egypt) - Spear
Raise Izmit.

IBT:
Mecca horse - horse
Babylon found Izibia on our continent.

290:
Capture Antalya

IBT:
Medina Aqueduct - Horse. See a pattern emerging here?

300:
Moved units and workers.

IBT:
Ragnorok wants to renew Spice deal. He gave spices and 53g and WM for Monarchy.
Cheap, but I don't want to give him luxes ATM.
Yamama horse - horse
Allepo spear - horse
Greeks start HG

310:
Found Suhar - Spear
Trade Mongol Dyes + WM for Gems and Wines, we get our own in 8, but it seemed like a good idea

IBT:
Mecca horse - Market!
Bagdhad court - worker
Najran Aqueduct - Granary
Khurasan - Court
Anjar aqueduct - Court
Aden Galley - Galley
Muscat Horse - Harbour
Aztechs start HG
Babylonians start HG

320:
Aggressively settle Taif - Temple
Suhar Change to temple
Take Adana - Temple. The Ottomans are dead.
Egypt are very upset and will not see envoy.
Drop a couple of units onto island in anticipation of war with Babylon
Getting tired of waiting for Indian cities to grow.


IBT:
Babylon settle another city on our northern Tundra
Kufah horse - horse
Fustat horse - horse
Balkh temple - Galley
Iroquois start HG

330:
Moved troops south.

IBT:
Bagdhad worker - horse
Merw worker - worker
Indians start HG

340BC:
Moved Troops South


IBT:
Persians want to exchange tmaps. Fine
Yamama horse - market
MAnsura horse - market
Fez worker - worker
Vikings start HG

350:
Found Hama - Temple
Make peace with Egyptians in return for 25g, 3gpt and the city of Bhuto.
Wines to Greece for WM, 3g and 9gpt
Hawk WM for around 60g.

I decided not to attack India because I would only get two turns into it before handing over and I thought it would be best for a single player to start it in his/her own way. So there is a decent SOD in Antalya. There are 3 galleys at Mecca and two exploring. I've started to switch production to markets in some of the larger cities to generate happiness and income.

Sorry about raising the city, but it was in the way.

The save is <<here>>.

 

[a space oddity]

Originally posted by mad-bax
...The Ottomans are dead...

...
Make peace with Egyptians in return for 25g, 3gpt and the city of Bhuto...

Hey Mad, don't say that's average, well done!

 

[Hooray]

Wow, things are shaping up pretty well.

Any particular reason you declared war on Egypt? Or were they just an easy target?

 

[mad-bax]

I wanted a city on their continent for trade. They settled on ours, so it was as you say an easy target. Didn't get a city on their continent however. I'd even declare again just to take the worker in 10 turns, get a road built and a harbour. Bobs your uncle.

 

[Brewster]

Good set of turns mad-bax. That will teach those pesky Ottomans from trying to settle on our island. Nice work with the Egyptians too. Things are moving along nicely and we are really starting to emerge as the super power in the game.

Now about Gandhi .

 

[TedJackson]

Nice work mad-bax

Looks as if I'll be clearing up Elephant doodoo for a while


regards

Ted

 

[TedJackson]

Observations
Egypt is in Republic, Everyone else (bar us) is in Monarchy

Pre-turn
Fire entertainers in Konya, Antalya, Uskudar, Edrine & Istanbul
Sell WM to Mongols for WM, TM + 2gp
Sell WM to Aztecs for WM, TM + 1gp
Wake fortified Warrior South of Aden

Press button...

IBT
Medina Horse - Market (prep for Republic)
Fustat Horse - Market
Shiraz Temple - Worker (zero growth)
Resistance in Pithom ends
Persia starts Hanging Gardens
Korea starts Hanging Gardens

Looking at our position & the terrain I think that the war against India will probably need 2 phases:
Phase 1 - take all Indian cities down to the desert (ending with Japur & Kolhapur). Pause to regroup.
Phase 2 - Final push into Indian core

1 - 360AD
Rally troops for simultaneous attacks on NewDelhi, Ganges, Pune, Hyderabad & Bengal - 5 turns till troops are in place.
Send some loose warriors to Aden & Bukhara for upgrades
Fortify Sword in the mountains S of Larsa (Babylon) - I think Babylon might be next after India as they've the gall to settle on our turf.
Upgrade Warrior in Aden for 40gp
Sell WM to Greece for WM, TM + 17gp (broke)
Sell WM to Babylon for WM, TM + 1gp (2gp)
Sell WM to Egypt for WM, TM + 6gp (41gp)
Sell WM to Mongolia for WM, TM + 1gp (7gp)
Sell WM to Aztecs for WM, TM + 1gp (11gp)
Sell WM to Persia for WM + TM (broke)
Sell WM to India for WM + TM (broke)
Sell WM to Korea for WM, TM + 1gp (8gp)
Sell WM to Iroquois for WM, TM + 2gp (21gp)
Sell WM to Scandinavia for WM, TM + 3gp (1gp)
Sell WM to Babylon for WM, TM + 1gp (1gp)
Sell WM to Egypt for WM, TM + 1gp (40gp)
Sell WM to Mongolia for WM, TM + 1gp (6gp)
Sell WM to Aztecs for WM, TM + 1gp (10gp)

IBT
Aden Galley - Worker (pop 6)

2 - 370AD
Troops manoeuvre
Workers roading
No deals

IBT
Kufah Horse - Horse
Mongols start Hanging Garden

3 - 380AD
Upgrade Warrior in Bukhara for 40gp
Troops manoeuvre
Workers roading
No deals

IBT
Baghdad horse - catapult (Delphi)
Basra Market - Horse
Uskudar Spear - Worker
Aden Worker - Worker

4 - 390AD
Troops manoeuvre
Workers roading
Buy WM from Greece for WM + 3gp
Sell WM to Babylon for WM, TM + 4gp (4gp)
Sell WM to Egypt for WM, TM + 4gp (106gp) - has she sold Republic?
Sell WM to Mongolia for WM, TM + 2gp (broke)
Sell WM to Aztec for WM, TM + 4gp (4gp)
Sell WM to Persia for WM, TM + 4gp (4gp)
Sell WM to Scandinavia for WM, TM + 3gp (8gp)
Sell WM to Korea for WM, TM + 5gp (4gp)
Sell WM to Iroquois for WM, TM + 5gp (12gp)
Sell WM to Greece for WM, TM + 1gp (49gp)
We look ready to declare war on India next turn

5 - 400AD
India has Republic
We declare war on India
Forces are moved into position to attack New Delhi (2), Ganges (2), Pune (2) & Bengal (2) next turn
Hyderabad (3) 1 turn later (cultural border larger)

IBT
India captures workers
GL gives us Republic - wait for Hanging Gardens before revolting
Mecca Market - Spear
Najran Granary - Spear
Bursa Spear - Spear
Aden Worker - Market

6 - 410AD
Vet horse tackles reg Warrior - victory
Reg Sword attacks reg Spear (Ganges) - victory (1/3)
Vet Horse attacks reg Spear (Ganges) - victory (2/4)
Vet Horse attacks reg spear (Ganges) - victory (red-lined)
Vet Horse attacks reg Spear (Ganges) - Victory
Ganges captured with 4 slaves - Temple
Reg Sword attacks reg Warrior (New Delhi) - Victory
New Delhi captured - Temple
Elite Horse attacks reg Spear (Pune) - victory (4/5)
Elite Horse attacks reg Spear (Pune) - victory (3/5)
Pune captured - Temple
Vet Horse attacks reg Sword NW of Pune - loses Sword promoted (2/4)
Vet Horse attacks Vet Sword NW of Pune - victory
Vet Horse attacks reg Warrior SE of Pune - victory
Elite Horse attacks reg Spear (Bengal) - victory
Elite Horse attacks reg Spear (Bengal) - victory (3/5)
Bengal captured with 3 slaves - Temple
Vet Horse attacks Vet Sword (2/4) - victory
Stack arrives NE of Hydrabad
No deals (everyone else is out of despotism and they aren't friendly toward us)

IBT
vet Warrior (India) is rebuffed by Vet Horse (3/4)
Vet Horse (3/4) is killed by 2nd vet Warrior (promoted, 2/5)
vet Warrior (India) is rebuffed by elite Horse (Pune) (3/5)

7 - 420AD
vet Horse attacks elite Warrior (2/5) - victory (3/4)
vet Warrior arrives W of New Bombay
vet Horse attacks reg Spear (Hydrabad) - loses
vet Horse attacks reg Spear (Hydrabad) - victory & promoted
vet Horse attacks reg Spear (Hydrabad) - victory (3/4)
Hydrabad captured with 1 slave - Temple

IBT
Warrior rebuffs Warrior (Pune)
Horse rebuffs Warrior (Pune)
Mecca Spear - Sword
Istanbul Temple - Spear
Baghdad Catapult - Catapult
Kufah Horse - Spear
Basra Horse - Sword
Bukhara Horse - Spear

8 - 430AD
Vet Sword attacks reg spear (New Bombay) - dies without landing a blow
Elite Horse attacks reg Sword (SSE Hyderabad) - victory (4/5)

IBT
Our stack N of Punjab is attacked - 1 horse retreats, 1 is lost
Medina Market - Sword
Najran Spear - Sword
Khurasan Court - Spear
Merw Worker - Harbour (probably needs pop rushing)

9 - 440AD
Vet Horse attacks reg Spear (Punjab) - dies
Vet Horse attacks reg Spear (Punjab) - dies
Vet Horse attacks reg Spear (Punjab) - dies (redlining spear)
Vet Horse attacks reg Spear (Punjab) - dies without landing a blow
Vet Horse attacks reg Spear (Punjab) - victory (2/4)

IBT
Fez Worker - Spear
Buto Warrior - Harbour
Mosul Temple - Spear
Egypt Starts Sistine Chapel

10 - 450AD
Vet Horse attacks reg Spear (New Bombay) - retreats
Vet Sword attacks reg Spear (2/3) (New Bombay) - victory
New Bombay razed
Elite Horse attacks reg Sword (NNE Jalpur) - victory (4/5)
vet Horse attacks reg Sword (NNE Jalpur) - retreat
Vet Horse attacks reg Sword (2/3) (NNE Jalpur) - victory (1/4)

Our acquisitions

Notes
Egypt has a monpoly on Theology.
Our first round of attacks on India was very successful but then the Indians had time to bring Swords to the front and we lost some Horses in counterattacks. The assault on Punjab petered out with their defense down to 1 red-lined spear but our losses were so heavy that there was nothing in reach to finish him off
There are a large number of our forces making their way down the West coast. Once they arrive then the next 3 Indian towns should fall easily.
Still no Great Leader. Hopefully the next player should have some luck there.
There are some Workers left "roading to" in various places.

The save is
> here <

 

[a space oddity]

First reaction: wonderfully done! Wading through all that jungle allways was going to be sloooooooow... Too bad about that leader.

I've no access to the save, so I wondered how many turns left until the HG? The amount of land under control is a factor in the revolt duration, the more of it, the longer it takes, so the sooner the better.

And boy, are we gonna need a *truckload* of workers to clear all that jungle.

 

[TedJackson]

Originally posted by a space oddity
I've no access to the save, so I wondered how many turns left until the HG? The amount of land under control is a factor in the revolt duration, the more of it, the longer it takes, so the sooner the better.

There's still 9 turns to go Hanging Gardens. I think we've got a fair shot at getting it so I delayed revolution.


regards

Ted

 

[a space oddity]

These two MB games keep going so smoothly. Who would've thought we'd be getting Wonders at this rate without science effort at all. I think maybe the hard part of this game will turn out to be keeping the research speed going in the latter stages of this game.

 

[Hooray]

But we're religious. Why not revolt right away since it'll only take one turn?

I'm up, right?
Man, I'm not gonna enjoy wading through all that jungle....

 

[TedJackson]

Originally posted by Hooray
But we're religious. Why not revolt right away since it'll only take one turn?

Because AFAIK we would still lose a turn's production. I'd rather have the Hanging Gardens (if possible) than a few hundred extra gp


regards

Ted

 

[mad-bax]

Since we are at war, and will continue to be at war for a while I think despotism is OK to improve our chances of HG. But, I would like a few markets built b4 then.

Hooray: Yes, you are UP. Have fun

India looks to be tougher than we expected. But the tide will turn soon. They just can't keep up with our production rate.
5 elite victories without a leader is not unusual, but I think hooray has a fair chance of getting one at some point.

 

[TedJackson]

Originally posted by mad-bax
Since we are at war, and will continue to be at war for a while I think despotism is OK to improve our chances of HG. But, I would like a few markets built b4 then.

In progress

Originally posted by mad-bax
India looks to be tougher than we expected. But the tide will turn soon. They just can't keep up with our production rate.

I had the choice of either attacking with horse only - hoping to overcome weak defenses - or hanging back for re-inforcements - allowing the Indians to build up their defense. Whichever way I went I had to take a risk. I can't say I'm unhappy with the results. It was just that last red-lined spear in Punjab that really hacked me off.

Originally posted by mad-bax
5 elite victories without a leader is not unusual, but I think hooray has a fair chance of getting one at some point.

I can wish, can't I


regards

Ted

 

[Hooray]

If I do get a Leader, is their any priority on what I should do with it? We're building the Garden, but it looks like we can get that on our own.
Where are we on the tech tree? Do we have Feudalism? If so, I'd be likely to go for Sun Tzu's.