Meth01: Culture, with no Wonders

ChrTh said:
Unfortunately, Medina can't work the Oasis tile yet (maybe after expansion?)

Was the tile fogged out? One thing I’ve learned is if you click on the fogged tile in the city screen it becomes workable. [I, uh, learned that accidentally. :blush: ]

Oh yeah, got it.

Roster:
Methos- Up
Soul Warrior- On Deck
Conroe
MeteorPunch
ChrTh- Just Played
 
Methos said:
Was the tile fogged out? One thing I’ve learned is if you click on the fogged tile in the city screen it becomes workable. [I, uh, learned that accidentally. :blush: ]

Just tried it out ... it did work :blush: DOH!

Oh well, I guess once Mecca is done with it (once the cottage is built), Medina can have it.
 
Spoiler Turn Log :
Turn 60 (1600 BC)
Methos: Switch the oasis tile to Medina.
Methos: Decide that it'll help declaring a religion and switching civics. I choose Buddhism as we have a Buddhist temple in Mecca.

Turn 61 (1560 BC)
Mecca grows: 7

Turn 62 (1520 BC)

Turn 63 (1480 BC)
Medina grows: 2

Turn 64 (1440 BC)
Tech learned: Bronze Working
Mecca finishes: Granary

Turn 65 (1400 BC)
Research begun: Animal Husbandry
Mecca begins: Buddhist Missionary
Research begun: Iron Working
Hinduism has spread: Medina

Turn 66 (1360 BC)

Turn 67 (1320 BC)

Turn 68 (1280 BC)
Mecca finishes: Buddhist Missionary

Turn 69 (1240 BC)
Mecca begins: Worker

Turn 70 (1200 BC)
Buddhism has spread: Medina
Mecca begins: The Oracle
Mecca begins: Worker


I decided to go for a second worker before another settler as we need to improve our tiles. We’re working too many unimproved tiles. After the worker I’d suggest possibly a settler.

Honestly I wasn’t too for sure about which tech route to go. I finally decided to go the route of Iron Working to see where the iron is. There is a deposit of copper but it isn’t in a very good area. That’s not really saying much as most of the continent isn’t a very good area.

Speaking of good area, where the barbarian is protecting the hut is one of the only spots where there is a mass of grassland tiles. When we are able we need to kick him off that area and build there. I’m hoping the barb will build a city there so that we don’t have to.

Mecca is going to need a library soon to help with research. With the high commerce yield there we definitely need to make it a science city.

What about Mecca? Do we want to make that one of the culture cities or not? The reason I ask is if Mecca emphasized production we could finish the Oracle in 9 turns. With that I’d be tempted to take Code of Laws, or some other expensive tech.

Right now Mecca is doing great financially. The Great Library and Oxford University would be great in enhancing its science capabilities, but here’s the question.

Where do we want to place our three culture cities? There’s not much good city sites on this continent and Mecca may become one due to lack of better options. Any ideas?

Here's the 1200 BC save.

Roster:
Methos- Just Played
Soul Warrior- Up
Conroe
MeteorPunch
ChrTh
 
I'm unsure about Soul Warrior, as his post in SW9 is a little confusing. I belive SW is unavailable until Saturday so we'll skip him for now. If he comes back, or I misunderstood his post, we'll see about swapping him around in the roster. So...


Roster:
Methos- Just Played
Soul Warrior- Skipped/Swap
Conroe- Up
MeteorPunch
ChrTh

If any of you need a skip or wish to swap please say so. I have no problem with it at all. Between RL and the tendency of every SG having my turnset fall on the same day, I totally understand. Once I had 4 or 5 turnsets fall at once.
 
well, i am out till tomorrow (saturday) and could play now, but, well, im guess im too lazy now to grab and play.
i will have some free time saturday night (abouut 14 hrs from now)
so if conroe hasnt GOT IT by then, ill grab and play.
 
@Soul Warrior: Even if Conroe does grab it you can play after him if you want. We can just have you two swap this time around. Let us know if that is okay.

New Patch: I won't be updating to the new patch for a few days at least. According to Gyathaar the patch will affect GOTM1 due to the change in gameplay. He stated that everyone should probably wait until after they've finished their game. Once I've finished GOTM1 I'll probably go ahead and update.

I'm not for sure if some of us have the patch and others don't affects the game. From what I recall when 1.09 came out even when everyone updated there were still problems. Had to do with the turn amount change.
 
Well, I can certainly swap with SW and play it. Today isn't looking really good for me -- we have 3 sick kids at the moment. Hopefully tonight ('round midnight), I can play it.

Before we go any further, though. I think we should get an answer to this question:

Methos said:
What about Mecca? Do we want to make that one of the culture cities or not? The reason I ask is if Mecca emphasized production we could finish the Oracle in 9 turns. With that I'd be tempted to take Code of Laws, or some other expensive tech.

Right now Mecca is doing great financially. The Great Library and Oxford University would be great in enhancing its science capabilities, but here's the question.

Where do we want to place our three culture cities? There's not much good city sites on this continent and Mecca may become one due to lack of better options. Any ideas?

Is Mecca one of the three culture cities? Since the Oracle is queued up in Mecca, we need to decide before proceeding with this turnset.

For my part, I am unsure. I would prefer that Mecca is a wonder and GPP site. But, I'm not sure how to make that possible. I've been studying on the pictures posted here, and I could only identify 2 good spots. Not sure where the 3rd city would be if it isn't Mecca.

BTW: I have not patched. Like Methos, I have yet to complete the GOTM1.
 
Conroe said:
Since the Oracle is queued up in Mecca...

The Oracle is not queued in Mecca. I just checked to see how long it would take to finish it if we chose too.

The problem I see is there are not very many good city sites, let alone ones to pick from for our culture cities. The way things look we may want Mecca as one of the culture three due to lack of other good choices.

I also wouldn't mind turning Mecca into a wonder/gpp city but am not entirely sure.

Does anyone have any preferences on where the three culture cities should be? I need to look again at the map but am unsure if I have the time. The wife and I are leaving in an hour or so for one of several Christmas dinners.
 
I have patched and am finished with GOTM 1. I'm not sure what the consensus is here, I can play when I'm up with 1.52 or just be skipped until you lazy bums patch up. :D
 
Situation Assessment: We have 2 cities. Our capitol, Mecca, is maxed on population. It will need more happiness and more health to grow. Happiness will be no big deal, but we will need to hook up more resources for the health. The other city, Medina, is in good shape and can easily grow from its current size 2 to size 5.

Meth01_1200BC_Start.JPG


Our city production is also in good shape. Mecca is training a worker due in 3 turns. With this terrain, I think we could use a lot more workers. Medina is one turn from completing an Obelisk. This will allow the border to expand and pick up the stone.

We are at 100% research. We have 33 gold in the treasury and are draining it at -2gpt. The drain is civic upkeep paying for organized religion. Financially we are fine. We may have a concern after we found another city or two.

Our army of 4 warriors is, well, non-existent. For the moment we are alone. Once the barbarians get a whiff of us, though, we will need some defense.

Thus far everything looks to be in good shape and manageable. However, a look at the technology advisor shows some potential holes in our knowledge. We are currently researching Iron Working, which is due in 5 turns. We do not know Fishing or Sailing, both of which will be needed for our coastal cities (Medina would sure benefit from a Lighthouse). We are also going to need Hunting and Archery for our defense forces. Although, if we have iron and can build Axemen, this will not be such a priority. Money may soon be an issue, so Currency and Code of Laws will be a benefit there. And then there is Civil Service which will allow irrigation in this very brown world.

This leads me to the question of wonders. I've decided to build the Oracle in Mecca. It will take us 18 turns to research CoL versus 9 turns to build the Oracle. During those same 9 turns we can complete IW and pick up fishing, as well. I think we need the tech at the moment. Unfortunately, this is one of those decisions that may come back to bite us mid- or late-game. In addition, the Oracle will generate Prophet points which we can use to build a shrine. We are going to need the cash, soon. It would be nice if we also had Stonehenge, but I fear it may be a little late for that one.

Objectives: I think we need to complete the current production. After that, the priority will be research. Just as important will be population growth in our two cities. I don't think Mecca will be feasible during this turnset; Medina is another story.

Turn 0 - 1200BC: Looks good - press Enter.

Turn 1 - 1160BC: Medina completes Obelisk, starts on Granary.

Turn 2 - 1120BC:

Turn 3 - 1080BC: Mecca trains another worker. Begins work on the Oracle. It is due in 9 turns, while still generating 1fpt.

Turn 4 - 1040BC:

Turn 5 - 1000BC: I just noticed that city maintenance has ticked up by 1gpt. It probably happened when Medina added a population point. We are now drawing -3gpt on the treasury.

Turn 6 - 975BC Iron Working is complete. I notice that CoL is down to 16 turns. Both Hunting and Fishing are 2 turns. I opt for Fishing. We have a source of iron that is 1 tile out of Mecca's borders. City 3 that MP identified should pick it up. Should this be our next city?

:lol: Check out the iron in relation to the copper.
Meth01_975BC_IronCopper.JPG


IBT: A barbarian warrior decends down from the icy wasteland. Could there be a city up there? Fortunately, someone had left a sentry on duty up here.
Meth01_950BC_Barb.JPG


Turn 7 - 950BC:

IBT: More barbarians. This time from the NE.
Meth01_925BC_Barb.JPG


Turn 8 - 925BC: We now know how to fish. I would really like to go with Mathematics next. An Aquaduct in Mecca would be nice, plus it is a requirement for Currency. But it looks like the barbs may be getting restless. I'm thinking the next person may have a barbarian uprising on their hands. I opt for Hunting, instead.

IBT: Stonehenge has been built in a far away land.

Turn 9 - 900BC:

Turn 10 - 875BC: An odd ending point!?!? We learn hunting. I queue up Archery.

Our empire, as it stands today:
Meth01_875BC_Update.JPG


Archery is queued up, with no beakers invested, and can be done in 3 turns. Mecca is 2 turns from completing the Oracle. Medina can complete its Granary in 3 turns.

There are 2 barb Warriors bearing down on Mecca. Mecca has only a single Warrior defender. Our workers around Medina are out in the open with another barb on the prowl.

I suspect that I probably should have been building defense rather than wonders. The next person may have to build another Warrior before we get Archers. Unfortunately, I failed to notice 10 turns ago that we did not have a barracks.

Financially, I have drained our treasury. We have 5 gold and are spending it at a rate of -3gpt.

Also, it is not too late to change our minds about wonders in Mecca. Just remove it from the queue and the hammers will get converted to gold when it is built somewhere else.

Good Luck!

P.S. Note that the save is 1.09 format.

Merry Christmas! :xmas:
 
skip me - I'm patched.

I'm surprised Medina is where it is...I thought we were going for the sheep/deer or the floodplains city next. Although it will be a pretty good site once we get Civil Service.
 
MeteorPunch said:
skip me - I'm patched.

I'm surprised Medina is where it is...I thought we were going for the sheep/deer or the floodplains city next. Although it will be a pretty good site once we get Civil Service.

Due to the oasis the two tiles directly east of Medina have fresh water. I was hoping the gold and eventual stone would make the city worth it. Hope I didn't screw things up.

The Oracle: Hmm, I'm still not sure but hate to throw good spent hammers away, so we might as well finish it. My vote would be we might as well finish it. If we add to Mecca a few more +x great prophet points it would make this even better. Remember since we control the Holy City for three religions we're going to need three great prophets. So go ahead and finish the Oracle, as we should probably get an early start on great people production.

Roster:
Methos
Soul Warrior- Up
Conroe- Just Played
MeteorPunch- Skipped due to patch
ChrTh- On Deck

If you can grab it Soul Warrior, she's yours.

@MP: Not for sure about Conroe, but I'm hoping to finish GOTM1 in the next couple of days. As soon as both of us are finished we'll update. Are there any others in this group who still need to finish GOTM 1? Or is like MP said, and we're just "lazy bums"! :lol:
 
MeteorPunch said:
I have patched and am finished with GOTM 1. I'm not sure what the consensus is here, I can play when I'm up with 1.52 or just be skipped until you lazy bums patch up. :D

I'm patched as well, so MP should be inserted before me (or I should also be skipped until the rest of the gang joins the 21st Century :rolleyes: ;) )
 
Methos said:
@MP: Not for sure about Conroe, but I'm hoping to finish GOTM1 in the next couple of days. As soon as both of us are finished we'll update. Are there any others in this group who still need to finish GOTM 1? Or is like MP said, and we're just "lazy bums"! :lol:
MeteorPunch said:
skip me - I'm patched.
ChrTh said:
I'm patched as well, so MP should be inserted before me (or I should also be skipped until the rest of the gang joins the 21st Century :rolleyes: ;) )
Personally, I would hate to see anyone skipped on account of my not having a patch. I would rather that MP and CT play their turns.
 
Conroe said:
Personally, I would hate to see anyone skipped on account of my not having a patch. I would rather that MP and CT play their turns.
It's not a big deal at all to me. I'm in three other SGs. If you want to finish GOTM1, go ahead.
 
I played a little more on GOTM 1 this morning, but still am not finished. Family stuff tonight so hopefully I can finish it either tomorrow or the next day. The main problem I'm having is my turn keeps coming up in an SG. :D

I'll try and focus. I believe all but one of my SG's are updating so I need to finish GOTM 1 soon.
 
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