Cilpot
Pretentious Schmuck
@LLXerxes: That's obviously because noone have seen the movie yet, hence cannot say if it deserved the award 
Michael Moore's film Farenheit 911 wins Palme D'Or at Cannes Festival.
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CurtSibling
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cgannon64 said:
Why not just cut to the chase and say Moore threatens your
imagined perceptions about the USA, and be done with it?
CurtSibling said:
It's not that simple.
Moore uses "facts" that are false, plain and simple.
One thing is to give an opinion. A TOTALLY different thing is to make up facts or twist the truth to make it suit a political agenda.
Nobody is saying that MM shouldn't be allowed to make his biased movies. We're just saying that they aren't an accurate description of the USA, and since he use false facts I wouldn't call him a documentarist.
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luiz said:
I see him as the reverse mirror image of the neo-con chest-thumpers like Coulter and co.
Lefties? Righties? Same clowns, different gibberish.
newfangle
hates you.
CurtSibling said:
100% correct. I yearn for a world where all of those blowhards are ignored.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
CurtSibling said:
I said I liked that scene about the history of America. I found it funny.
But it is no documentary.
I can admire something while admitted its faults, can't I?
MoHiggins
With pretensions of self!
CurtSibling said:
Whats your point then Curt? I think you imagine people on here as much more stereotypical than they are, especially cgannon, despite most of what he's posted seeming quite middle of the road you imply he doesn't like Moore because Moore challenges his perceptions of America? Don't be so quick to imagine you know exactly what everyone's thinking. Especially on this forum it's is quite apparent a good number of people are satisfactorily complex...
HamaticBabylon
Deity
I wanted that sexy British film to win, yeah the one they have not given a certificate to yet, because of all those sex scenes. 
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
I wanted Kill Bill to win, just because its the only one I've seen, although it doesn't really deserve to.
But he deserves an honorable mention for most fountainous blood spurts in one movie!
But he deserves an honorable mention for most fountainous blood spurts in one movie!
Like many others, I can't vote on this yet since I haven't seen it.
But I'm really looking forward to it.
I've really enjoyed other films by Moore.
One of my favourites is the TV series "The Awful Truth", too bad it only lasted for two seasons.
One thing I want to make clear is that in no way I think the films made by Moore are the thruth. He is really one-sided and only uses the material that helps bringing his own vision out. He clearly lefts out facts that don't support his views.
But I'm really looking forward to it.
I've really enjoyed other films by Moore.
One of my favourites is the TV series "The Awful Truth", too bad it only lasted for two seasons.
One thing I want to make clear is that in no way I think the films made by Moore are the thruth. He is really one-sided and only uses the material that helps bringing his own vision out. He clearly lefts out facts that don't support his views.
FearlessLeader2
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I voted no because he has already recieved an award meant for documentaries for his propaganda film Bowling for Columbine, and that film was not a documentary at all, given all of the 'special effects'.
Farenheit 911 might well be a film that reaches and then exceeds the very pinnacle of the art of documentary, but since he has already taken one false laurel, even if this film is great, he has already received an award falsely, so one should be lost the same way.
But, I sincerely doubt that this 'documentary' is any different from BfC... which would make this a second (at least) undeserved award.
Farenheit 911 might well be a film that reaches and then exceeds the very pinnacle of the art of documentary, but since he has already taken one false laurel, even if this film is great, he has already received an award falsely, so one should be lost the same way.
But, I sincerely doubt that this 'documentary' is any different from BfC... which would make this a second (at least) undeserved award.
aaminion00
Stoned
Sorry but, what a stupid poll. How the hell can you people make a judgement without even seeing the movie 
??? A better title for this poll would have been "do you like michael moore or not".
??? A better title for this poll would have been "do you like michael moore or not".
Voted for the monkey....obviously never saw this film or any others that were in the festival....so, not my place to judge.
Besides, in the grand scheme of things, does this really matter?
Besides, in the grand scheme of things, does this really matter?
Stefan Haertel
Title
Surprisingly little flaming. But then, the thread isn't very old yet 
Archer 007 said:
France doesn't hate Amreica ;
it's different : a lot of French and Europeans don't like Bush
you know, the President of that jury was Quentin Tarentino....
maybe France is not the only one who doesn't like GW Bush....
King Alexander
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Elsaak said:
Let me explain something: nor France or any other nation in the world hate America, for just to hate someone. The emotions of the people in the other nations, are dependent on how the superpower behaves(foreign policy). Any nation with enough military power, seeks a piece of the pie(control). It isn't a matter of like or dislike.
Do you think that any west nation support religious fanatism? Or, do you think that the West, hasn't any religious fanatics at all? I'm against any kind of fanatism: religious, political, etc...
But, to tell the truth, it's a matter of influence, power, dominance.
We have millions who die every year, not because their nation economie's can't support them, but because the big players in the world won't let them to develop. Don't you find it strange that all the Latin American countries have unstable goverments? Which nations have led African and Arabian countries to their currently miserable situation?(look many decades in the past).
Europe's countries were against the invasion in Iraq, but those countries(with USA) sold weapons to them and were their allies in the past.
Europe and USA don't allow poor countries with cheap foods(tomatoes, rise, potatoes, ect..) to import to them, because THEIR farmers would starve to death.
Why Europe, USA, Russia(and many others) don't say anything about the political rights in China? Because China is a HUGE economy under constant developement, and they want to have good relationships with her, so they sell their products there. Simple? They don't say anything, and eveything is OK.
As you see, things are MUCH more complicated from simply saying the A country dislikes the B country. The people(at least from the west countries), have nothing against the average USA-guy, why would them? Only foreing policies are being criticised. If we want to be fair, we should criticise every nation about wrong actions and don't believe everything they want us to believe(be informed from many different sources, even foreign ones).
Many things are wrong in our world; we should form our opinion only when we have both side's view.
P.S.: excuse my spelling and grammar.
EDIT: Sorry if I went a bit off topic. I haven't seen the film, so I can't comment. I don't form opinions without having seen someone/something myself or without be informed from many different sources.
I totally agree with you :
I was just trying to axplain to Archer 007 that his reaction was a little too categoric :
France emotions are differents from French people one's, which are differents from French medias one's, which are differents from Cannes Jury choices.
I was just trying to axplain to Archer 007 that his reaction was a little too categoric :
France emotions are differents from French people one's, which are differents from French medias one's, which are differents from Cannes Jury choices.
King Alexander
Universe explorer
Elsaak said:
I'm not accusing you
, I understood your post-reply. As far as the various movie and music awards, I don't give them much importance, because the movie-music industry has them fixed, IMHO. I give greater attention to independent productions.
