Arathorn-
I might check back later, to see if/how things are progressing, but I'm out now. Grand idea, but with no strong leader and too much bickering, this is going nowhere.
I wish you luck, as a huge Civ3 and huge LotR fan.
Arathorn
Sorry to see you go, Arathorn. You contributed many good dieas to the MOD, and it was
our pleasure to have you among us
.e
Don't be a stranger.
Sir John-
The crebain unit should be there but it shouldnt be invisible. It should treat all terrains as roads and move pretty fast tough.. they would be weak and fast and have a hit point bonus..
I agree. But I don't think it should have lots of hit points, and don't think it should be able to attack. It should probably be just like a regular scout, only
far cheaper to build.
It would be cool if the animation was actually a 'murder' of crows
. I.E. a swarm of them.
Sir John-
I really cant see any reason for not giving saruman crebain as another UU. Some covs should have several UU's. as long as we balance things I dont think it hurts the game 
And...
tjedge1-
Has it ever been tried? I don't see why it wouldn't work. Besides. Why does a UU have to always start a golden age? Anyway, I think I later stated that Saruman should have Half-orcs. In case you weren't aware that means I changed my mind about kamikaze orcs.
Well here's the deal. A UU, is actually a unit that starts a Golden Age, and usually the way most people refer to it, or at least, the only way
I have seen it used, and on numerous occasion have been corrected on. Technically, since the word unique unit covers a broad range of areas, it makes sense why we would use it in that sense. But, I am accustom to it being used in a more civ 3 vanilla sense. Where one of the biggest advantages of a UU is it starts a golden age. Which only UUs can do.
I dont think you can have a kamikaze Orc become elite, and only elite units create GA.
-Edit My bad, as Mrtn impolitely pointed out to me, I seem to have mistaken this with GL, not GA. But still, the unit must be victorious, I don't see that happening with a cruise missile
.
Yes I realize you changed you mind about this idea, I was actually using that to boost up my other argument, which if you believe it or not, was supporting your cause. Once again, I point out that Sauron had used the self triggering napalm-type artillery (long phrase). If he had used at at this time, and Isengard also used some type of explosive unit, then I dont think a kamikaze Orc would be out of place...
Sort of like the Petard in AoKtC, only less dramatic. Perhaps a group of Orcs carrying a barrel, and, like Krytens Multi-figure units, when they placed it and lit the fuse, they would then flee. Some of them could get caught in the blast and die, no? Or even better! It could be used as late age artillery, where the attack flc is a group of Orcs are holding a box of dynamite, and then two of them run out, and one dies in the blast? To complex?
Owen Glendower-
Unfortunately Arathorn that's always the case on a large project where people think it can be done efficiently with no leader. Having someone who can make the final decision and have it be final is such a fine luxury if people will allow it.
Collect all the opinions and reasons.. make a decision.. stick to it. Kill the debates that try to turn it all upside down. The funny thing is.. the people who don't like it the way it is will just change it for their own purposes anyway. It can actually be more effort to argue and re-argue.
I have to dis-agree. Afaik Arathorn has been around since the first thread? It was much quieter then, and I believe we made more progress. The reason for this is we had less people to keep track of. Say Sir John thought we should have a certain resource, (back to resources again
) then everyone would no about it intellectually. There are so many posts\posters now, that I have a hard time thinking of what to say. in My mind I think: Should I go back and say what I think about the Mannish unit lines every few pages? Its hard, as there are so many opinions. And before, normally the only arguments that would take place were about games.
Celeborn:
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yes the overview will be up tomorrow. Dont expect big changes on it though.
Oh and remember way back when you were looking for a site? It might be a good idea to look for a
free place to hold forums again, more threads = less confusion. But honestly, I refuse to leave the CFC threads either. Maybe just a private forum for people who want to help with certain aspects? I hate to limit it, but I do think it would be more efficient at this point.
Aaglo:
Check out these pictures by Ted Nasmith, at the Tolkien fanatics site.
Similar ship
Actual ship
To me, they look more or less like Longboats. I would imagine more of a decorated ship however. but you would also have to take the books into account
. And in the Unfinished Tales, it says the boats have both rows and sails. Yet we have to remember that only 9 ships escaped from with the faithful and founded the Kingdom of Arnor and Gondor, plus all the jewels they brought, and a tree. So they had to carry lots of people stuff
. I would imagine more than one deck.
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I believe that Rivendell would be consider more Noldorian.
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