Middle-Earth: Lord of the Mods (XIII)

[The Last Conformist]

We damand a status report!

 

[PCHighway]

Sorry for the not posting earlier. It's going alright, I've got the Governments, General Settings, and Civilizations tab up to speed. The General Settings tab was hardest, as that information wasn't documented on the site. I had to look through the threads to find it. I'm going to tackle the Technologies next, before doing the units and buildings.

 

[mrtn]

Help me with elven city gfx!

 

[[Ant]Wimp]

Good news PCH, thanx a million for doing all the hard work

Mrtn, posted my 2 eurocents.

 

[WildWeazel]

Hey everybody, I'm no newbie here, and I've known about this mod for quite a while. I'm a LotR fan, but I'm not an experienced modder so I never got involved in this. But now I'm really interested and I'd like to chip in my two cents and help you all out if I can.

 

[PCHighway]

Hello Weasel Op, I'm sure your help will be appreciated.

Ok, I've divided up the tech tree into eras, and have winged the cost of the first one. Do these costs look ok? I realize the total sum of points is higher than Vanilla Civ3, but we have more techs.

[b]Thread 1[/b]
[u]Road Building		3	[/u]
[u]Survival		6	[/u]
[u]Trade			12	[/u]
[u]Coinage			14	[/u]

[u]Sum:			35	[/u]

[b]Thread 2[/b]
[u]Mining			4	[/u]
[u]Bronze Working		8	[/u]
[u]Military Training	10	[/u]
[u]Riding			12	[/u]
[u]Iron Working		12	[/u]

[u]Sum:			46	[/u]

[b]Thread 2a[/b]
[u]Masonry			4	[/u]
[u]Aüle's Lore		10	[/u]

[u]Sum:			14	[/u]

[b]Thread 2b[/b]
[u]Lumbering		2	[/u]
[u]Archery			6	[/u]

[u]Sum:			8	[/u]

[b]Thread 3[/b]
[u]Fishing			3	[/u]
[u]Rafting			6	[/u]
[u]Sailing			10	[/u]
[u]Ship Building		16	[/u]

[u]Sum:			35	[/u]

[b]Thread 4[/b]
[u]Farming			3	[/u]
[u]Pottery			4	[/u]
[u]Sacred Cult		12	[/u]
[u]Astrology		14	[/u]

[u]Sum:			33	[/u]

[b]Thread 5[/b]
[u]Alphabet		8	[/u]
[u]Writing			10	[/u]
[u]Law			16	[/u]

[u]Sum:			34	[/u]

_________________

[u]Total Sum:		205	[/u]
[u]Vanilla Civ3 Sum:	192	[/u]

 

[[Ant]Wimp]

That certainly looks ok to me! (perhaps archery a bit cheap though??)

 

[The Last Conformist]

It occurs to me I've never bothered to learn how tech costs work ... so I can't comment.

Good to see the mod remains on track, however.

 

[PCHighway]

Thanks guys, I already moved on anyway . I went back and lowered the Archery cost per Wimp's suggestion. TLC, I don't think anyone besides BA and Firaxis bothered to learn how the costs work . I'm just winging it here, trying to make them as similar to the Vanilla era as possible.

Here are the 2nd era tech costs, give you guys something else to chew on. We could raise some tech costs, these are a bit on the low side. If anyone notices something that can be bumped up in cost, let me know.

View the era 2 tech tree here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=58984

[b]Thread 1[/b]
[u]Metal Working			38	
Scale Mail Armor		48	
Mounted Warfare			58	
Sum:				144	[/u]

[b]Thread 2[/b]
[u]Pledge of Fealty		36	
The Composite Bow		44	
Mithril Working			54	
Mithril Weaponry		68	
Sum:				202	[/u]

[b]Thread 3[/b]
[u]Naval Warfare			34	
Seamanship			44	
Sea Exploration			54	
Map Making			64	
Sum:				196	[/u]

[b]Thread 4[/b]
[u]Land Treaties			36	
Pledge of Barahir		44	
Statecraft			56	
Sum:				136	[/u]

[b]Thread 5[/b]
[u]Taxation			36	
The Royal House			48	
Bridge Building			60	
Sum:				144	[/u]

[b]Thread 6[/b]
[u]Construction			42	
Sum:				42	[/u]

[b]Thread 7[/b]
[u]Herb Lore			34	
Milling				46	
Water Supply			58	
Sum:				138	[/u]

[b]Thread 8[/b]
[u]Story Telling			48	
Sum:				48	[/u]

[u][b]Total Sum:			1050	
Civ3 Vanilla Sum:		1116	[/b][/u]

 

[The Last Conformist]

I guess playtesting will be the final arbiter of tech costs, too.

 

[RRnut]

I agree with TLC, just assign them to whatever and then we'll test it.

RRnut

 

[The Last Conformist]

How did this end up on the 3rd page?

Any progress?

 

[PCHighway]

Yeah progress, but I am too busy to post daily to try and stimulate discussion, as well as MOD the game. Hopefully you will see an in-game preview of the tech tree tonight.

If you guys want to talk freely between yourselves, that would be helpful ! Maybe talk about the city lists? I can post some links to certain key information, it would just be a matter of compiling it, really.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I'm off for tonight in a minute, but city lists sound like a challenge ... do we have any preliminary ones?

 

[RRnut]

I thought that most of those were really done. Post what we have and we can work on them,

RRNut

 

[PCHighway]

Here are the lists that will need to be drastically overhauled:

Valinor-SoCalian
Haradrim-SoCalian
Numenor-SoCalian
Rohan-SoCalian
Arnor-SoCalian
Dale-SoCalian
Ossiriand-SoCalian
Mordor and Angband -SoCalian
Gondor-SoCalian
Hollin-SoCalian
Lorien - SoCalian
Ents-SoCalian
Dwarves -SoCalian
Haradrim (Plexus)
Mirkwood Elves (Plexus)

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Download GEChallenger’s lists here
These are very important, and nicely done. The problem is certain things are out of order and the civilizations are different.

I recommend that each civ follows a pattern. For instance, an agenda of how each location\alternate name\geographical region should be placed. Since we won't have enough real cities for most civilizations, I think it should look something like this:

1.) Real Cities (Edoras)
2.) Fortresses
3.) Geographical Regions (Westfold)
4.) Rivers (Entwash Glade)
5.) Other Geographical Landmarks, Like Mountains and Forests
6.) Alternate Names for Real Cities
7.) Alternate Names for Fortresses
8.) Alternate Names for Geographical Regions
9.) Alternate Names for Rivers and other Geographical Landmarks
10.) Made up Cities

Each civilization should have at least 30 cities.
Here are some names I read from an encyclopedia and put into type, I figured all these could be used as cities or great leaders. I posted this a long time ago, as you can see I stopped at "F" and went to work on other things .

Bard son of Brand (the II) 	Northmen late MGL.
Daeron 				Sindar SGL.
Hob Gammidge 			Shire SGL
Bindbale Wood 			Shire Region
Angamaitë			Harad MGL- Black Númenorean-descendent of Castamir
Sanghyando			Harad MGL- Black Númenorean-descendent of Castamir
Staddle				Minor (Arnor) village, suburb of Bree
Archet				Minor (Arnor) village, suburb of Bree
Combe				Minor (Arnor) village, suburb of Bree
Chetwood			Minor (Arnor) village, suburb of Bree
Whitfurrows			Minor Hobbit Village.
Ceorl				Lowerclass man of Rohan, possible unit.
Calenardhon			Old region of Gondor, possible Rohan ‘city’
Carchost			Gondor name for a Tower of the Teeth. city
Narchost			Gondor name for a Tower of the Teeth. city
Barazinbar			Dwarvish name for Caradhras, possible city
Brockenborings			Old smials, possible Shire city
Bucklebury			Large city in Buckland. Shire
Breredon			Minor Shire city, in Buckland
Bridgefields			Fields near the Brandywine bridge, region Shire
Bywater				Suburb of Hobbiton, Shire village.
Caras Galadhon			Capital of Lórien, Sindar city (City of the Trees)
Druadan Forest			Dwelling of the Woses, no use
Tyrn Gorthad			The Barrow Downs. Arnor village.
Coldfells			Angmar village, “troll-ground”
Cerin Amroth			Amroth’s manor. Very minor Sindar village.
Chalcedony			type of gem possibly used as a dwarvish-specific resource
Crickhollow			very Minor Shire village
Cirith Gorgor			Region (Morannon) possible name for Minor city of Mordor
Gundabad(Mount)			‘Angmar “city”’ destroyed in the war of the dwarves and orcs
Withered Heath			Region, Angmar ‘city’ populated by Dragons
Dorwinion			Northmen\Easterling city, seemingly friendly to Free Peoples
Iron Hills			Dwarvish city
Erebor				Dwarvish city (variant Lonely Mountain)		
Grindwall			Very minor Shire city- “small hythe (harbour)”
Dunharrow			Rohan fort (variant Dunharg)
Harrowdale			Rohan region, surrounding Dunharrow
Firienfeld			Rohan field next to Dunharrow, very (very) minor village.
Firienwood			Rohan-Gondor border, next to the beacon Halifirien
Derndingle			Meeting place of the ents of Fanghorn (no use)
Calimehtar...			(...son of Narmacil II) Gondor MGL
Dol Guldur			Mordor City
Deephollow			Minor Shire village
Mundburg			Variant Minas Tirith.
Edhellond			Elvish port located in Gondor (Dol Amroth). Sindar city.
Egladil				Region of Lórien, Sindar.
Harlindon			Region of Lindon, “south lindon” Noldor.
Harlond				Noldor port, Lindon Originally Moriquendi.
Dèorwine			possible late MGL for Rohan
Dimrill Dale			Region outside of Moria (vrnt Azanulbizar\Nanduhirion)
Tirith Aear			The keep of Dol Amroth, very minor city.
Beregond			(The steward) renowned warrior, Gondor MGL
Mothrond Vale			populated valley next to the Hill of Erech. Rohan\Isengard city?
Drùwaith Iaur			Old land of Woses on the coast south of Isen. No use
Eastfold Vale			Rohan Region
Durthang			Late Mordor City. Former Gondor defense.
East Lórien			The (late) ‘cleansed’ area where Dul Guldur was, Moriqu. Region.
Nindalf				vrnt Wetwang, Gondor region\marshes.
Edoras				Capital of Rohan.
Hayward				A clan of hobbit patrollers (high hay). Possible unit name.
Emyn Muil			Minor Rohan Region.
Egladil				Region of Lorien, Moriquen. city.
Hornburg			Main fort of Helms deep, Rohan city.
Emyn Beraid			Elvish Towers in West Shire. Arnor or Shire city.
Undertowers			Very Minor (late) hobbit city
Underharrow			Minor Rohan village.
Enedwaith			Isengard\Rohan ‘region’. Dunlandish.
Tharbad				An old crossroad town between Arnor and Gondor. Arnor city.
Entwash Vale			Region of Rohan. Entwade.
Minhiriath			Arnor\Cardolan region.
Imloth Molui			Gondor minor region
Imlad Morgul			Mordor Minor Region.
Ithildin			Metal constructed from Mithril, Moria door, Eregion.
Éomer Éadig			MGL for Rohan
Eryn Vorn			Wood of Cardolan-Minhiriath region. Arnor.
Westfold Vale			Rohan region, contained Helms Deep.
Westemnet			Region of Rohan, All Rohan land west of the River Entwash.
Far Downs			Region of Shire, way leading to the Grey Havens.
Hollin				Eregion variant name. Noldor realm.
Far Harad			“African” region of Harad.
Erestor				Important Counsel of Elrond. Late SGL for Noldor.
Fenmarch			Region, Rohan.
Ettenmoors			Angmar region, actually beyond rule, but famous for trolls.
Findegil			Very Late SGL for Gondor, a fairly unimportant scrib.
Firienfeld			Rohan guarded region by Dunharrow. bordered Firienwood
Folcwine			MGL Rohan. third age.
Folde				Northern Eastfold. Rohan region
Forlindon			North Lindon. Noldor.
Ford Carrock			Late Northmen outpost\ford.
Forlond				Region of Lindon. Noldor.

 

[Mithadan]

Hey kids,

I had a nice holiday. Glad to see things are still on the ups. In fact, I had such a nice holiday that I'm going to keep having a holiday -- somewhat, anyhow -- by not posting very much at all. I'll probably just download a lot of new units that I'll never install, and try to finish my first ever game of CivIII. (I've finally made it to "Electricity," and am reasearching "Reusable Parts" or whatever. I don't think I've ever seen an "Infantry" unit in action before! No clue how I'm going to learn how to fly them planes, though.) Scream at me if there needs to be a vote, or if I need to explain the Moriquendi again. I won't complain about unit graphics ever again (promise?).*

Anyhoo, keep up the good work.

Cheers,

the Grey Man











*I crossed my fingers! Ha ha!

 

[PCHighway]

Hey Mithadan, nice to see you again. If you plan on sticking around, you might want to throw in a few words about the city lists.

Update: Technology is almost done. Governments are finalized (empty Civilopedia entries, pedicons.txt complete).
Resources are finished.

Does anyone know how to plot X and Y coordinates for technologies? I can post a .biq that has all the tech stuff finished, meaning; artwork, texts, .biq work. The only thing the techs need are X and Y coordinates. This obviously includes the arrows. If someone wants to do this, post that you will.

 

[[Ant]Wimp]

Im sorry PCH, I have no clue whatsoever how to do that Unfortunatly im really busy right now. Ill see if I can squeez in some citylist-time .


<edit> Mithaden! good to have you back!

 

[mrtn]

A lot of you have said "I can't do gfx, but I know the books well". Now is the time to speak up and start helping with some city lists. When you do it would be good if you posted a line about it here, so not two people start working on Gondors city list at the same time, e g.

@Mithadan: Uncle JRR wants you!