Military Department - Term 3

[Lecky]

Cyc has a very good point. I think we agree on the importance of Delphi. The problem with a Delphi 1st strike is that it may actually take a few turns to take the city, and during that time we will no doubt have trouble in our backyard ie. 'all along the watchtower' in Kashmir - which has the potential to draw our focus away from Delphi before it can be secured.

I would suggest starting with a 2 pronged attack: one army group targets Oka and another (larger) group targets Herakleia. Hopefully these 2 targets can be gained quite quickly. We then redeploy, again with 2 army groups, and the secondary targets would be Thessalonika and Delphi. We should go for Thessalonika with our best offensive units as quickly as possible, and possibly only start to position Infantry around Delphi at this stage. The plan here would be to let the Greeks wear themselves out hitting our Infantry on the mountains around Delphi while we take the now isolated Thessalonika, and then Ephesis. Then, finally with the backyard cleared, we push on with combined forces to Delphi - and perhaps further.

 

[Falcon02]

I like Lecky's proposal too, but I think it might be good to get more Factories in our core cities before manually mobalizing them. Also I think we shouldn't set a time limit, but a Production goal, say so many Artillary and so many Infantry.

 

[Lecky]

Falcon, with respect, I think that if we are to go to war with Greece then time is of the essence. It would be marvellous to take the time and actually build the units from factory cities, but the other civs appear to making strong progress against Greece and if we delay for too long then our opportunity will be lost. We have a large potential war chest (over 4000 I think) and with some build queue amedments and rushing we can probably get the arty. we need quick smart.

BTW what do people think we need in the way of extra units? I'll make an openning bid for another 10 arty. and another 10 Infantry.

 

[Shaitan]

We can't have too much arty. Until tanks or bombers come along they are the best/only way to take entrenched positions. The more arty there is, the quicker cities can be taken and with less overall damage to the target.

EDIT: In other words I recommend more arty construction compared to new infantry. For a full offensive with infantry and arty I go for a 50/50 mix, plus 2 infantry per city to be taken.

 

[Phoenix]

I believe that a quick strike is essential due to war wariness. However spliting the Greece in half is a very good idea - my suggestion would be to investigate a few of the cities and then, if necessary, re-asses.

Lecky, are you aware that you have been nominated for the military position?

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Originally posted by chiefpaco
I appreciate Lecky's effort and think it is a good proposal. FA would back a war in the coming turns, as it has been shown that the citizens are in support.

I think you may be getting a little liberal in your interpretation of the poll results. The NO votes outnumber the yes' quite handily. Those, who voted to prepare are not necesarily voting YES. So we should be careful, there is not a mandate for this government to declare war.

I voted NO, but prepare, as I wanted to see just this type of discussion going on before we just blindly jumped and watched our Calvary get shredded against fortified Infantry in metros.

Originally posted by curufinwe
I'd like to bring it before military a reason of mine (and Justus and PB will probably agree with me) that the destruction of Greece and the Iroquois must happen because they are our cultural rivals.

I don't disagree with your assessment, however, the Iroquois currently enjoy Most Favored Nation status with us. I ask what have they done to deserve a backstabbing such as this?

Bill
...in PDX

 

[chiefpaco]

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX


I think you may be getting a little liberal in your interpretation of the poll results. The NO votes outnumber the yes' quite handily. Those, who voted to prepare are not necesarily voting YES. So we should be careful, there is not a mandate for this government to declare war.

I voted NO, but prepare, as I wanted to see just this type of discussion going on before we just blindly jumped and watched our Calvary get shredded against fortified Infantry in metros.

Apologies if my wording implied a war declaration. I am still under the impression that a 2/3 majority is needed to specifically declare war. I agree with you that the poll did not show this and I totally agree with your statement.

What I am trying to say is that the majority of citizens either support a war or support preparing for a war. I believe this means we should be focusing on building more military units. Whether or not we use them is up to a future poll. What we also lack is a solid plan for war and the possible means to get there (i.e. production) - which may be the responsibility of the Miltary Dept and the reason I posted here.

Previous War with Greece Poll

 

[Falcon02]

I Looked at the situation and I agree Delphi would be a prime target in any offensive against greece. (Even without a declaration of War we can still plan stradegy for potential conflicts ahead of time)

Lecky, I see your logic, however it may be good to at least rush a few Factories.

 

[Falcon02]

Please vote in the new Military Dept. Funds Request Poll

Please vote to grant the Military Dept. all the funds we need to finish upgrading the pikes.

 

[Shaitan]

Council Vote in session

Falcon02, please cast your vote in the Council Vote to approve new Provincial Borders.

 

[Falcon02]

I had Chieftess request that Greece remove an Infantry next to Memphis. This inadvertantly got the Idiotic Alex to declare war on us.

Our last war was with the Aztecs, and we neither gained nor lost anything. While I'd love to say "FINISH GREECE OFF" I realize the pacifists wouldn't like that. So I'm setting the goal of launching an offensive until Greece agrees to an acceptable peace where we gain reperations for the trouble he's caused us, or at the very least Peace for Peace. I'll be posting polls shortly to verify this goal and stradegy.

 

[Falcon02]

Please vote in the following two polls to help determine Military policy in this war.

Stradegy against Greece

Acceptable End to the War against Greece

I also welcome any suggestions on the details of our stradegy from anyone. I'll be posting my own plan later.

 

[Lecky]

One of the first questions to decide is what to do with the Immortals. My view is that we should throw them all into the offensive. They are largely obsolete anyway, but there are a few elite ones (with a chance of Leader creation). I do not recommend that we use these units for primary attacks - because they will surely get destroyed by fortified Infantry - but they should be very useful for secondary attacks. The idea would be to allow our arty. and cav. to knock Greek units down to red, then finish them off with Immortals

 

[disorganizer]

i would propose using the immortals for a pilage-campaign on strategic resources.

 

[Chieftess]

The elites could attack weakened infantry.

 

[Falcon02]

I agree, Elite Immortals can be used to "clean up" near dead units.

 

[Phoenix]

The immortals are basicaly useless. We should throw them at Greece just before our main force (but in the same turn). This will allow thenm to weaken the defenders making life easier for our main force.

 

[donsig]

We could also use the regular and veteran immortals for garrison duty in our cities far from the main theaters thus freeing infantry for the front.

Our elite immortals could be sent to the front for opportunistic actions.

We also have an army of immortals to consider.

Speaking of armies we may want to rush the one being formed in Pherris.

 

[Falcon02]

Pheonix, I Disaggree, throwing the Immortals first will just get them killed and make Veteran and Elite Infantry for the Enemy.

Donsig, that's always been my intent for the Reg. and Vet. Immortals.

One thing does come to mind, the fact that every unit only creates 1 GL until the next upgrade. And we don't know which of those Elite Immortals have already made a GL.

I'm not quite sure what to do with the Army of Immortals except maybe Disband them to help production, or use them for Garrison.

 

[Shaitan]

The army will make an excellent resistance queller for captured cities. It counts as 4 units.