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Missing Civilizations

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Creation & Customization' started by Tunch Khan, Oct 24, 2005.

  1. Hemiptera

    Hemiptera Chieftain

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    Yes alphabet is later, it's in the classical age. That aside being the only civ that starts with the ability to trade tech for a good 50 turns or so would just be too powerful. I wouldn't start with something that far in, but you could if you wanted. With the way it's setup you could start with any tech, building or unit or all of them for that matter.
     
  2. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    It does sound powerful. I think Fishing and the Wheel would work well (its what Japan has, for what its worth).
     
  3. Tunch Khan

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    I hadn't had the game at that point, now that I own my very copy (thank you :) ) I will fix the alphabet problem. The techs ladder is in front of me and they are so not getting alphabet that early, lol :).
     
  4. Tunch Khan

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    So it turns out we won't be needing so many Great People for each seperate civilization as they are drawn from a generic pool. So it doesn't matter which civ you are playing, you'll get the same names. So you are getting Saint Paul for Muslim Prophet and so on. At least it's less work for us until someone codes through Phyton to have them seperate.
     
  5. Loppan Torkel

    Loppan Torkel Deity

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    That's dissapointing... But one could imagine the difficulty of coming up with great people for some civs, such as Inca for example.
    Even so, I hope someone mods this soon, the civs are already generic enough.
     
  6. Tunch Khan

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    If they really wanted they could have easily found some Inca great people through a web search or a visit to local library. I mean look at us finding all this information in like 4 days by ourselves. And we do this as a hobby, like none of us gets paid for this. :)
    All in all i played and finished a tiny world scenario and i like the game a lot. There's a lot of room for improvement. But on the other hand it's obvious that the game was not ready for release as it's full of bugs. Half of my initial wonders were already obselete by the time i built them.
    In-game graphics are real good, on the other hand every other graphic sucks. There are no advisor graphics (could be modded by us). Diplomacy screen is chaotic as well as other side screens. Civ III interface is ten times better plus very user-friendly. I couldn't get to see Diplomacy Victory video (if there is one). End game graphics and interface are still behind Civ III.
    But again, these are all moddable, and the main concept is ok, and we definately have more options, so i'll just be patient.
     
  7. dalek master

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    then chagne it to "anzac infantry then". I always though anzac day was more grim than that, being the memorial for a massacre.
     
  8. Tunch Khan

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    There wasn't a massacre afaik. Gallipoli was a front of the First World War when British Empire and her allies decided to make a landfall on Gallipoli peninsula when the allied navy could not pass through the Dardanelles to occupy Istanbul. The eight month-long struggle between the Allies and Turkish forces is known as the Battle of Gallipoli. So serious were the casualties on both sides, that Winston CHURCHILL, Lord of the Navy at the time, was removed from his office and had to stay out of politics until WWII. On the other hand, Gallipoli was a fair battle in which both Turks and Anzac soldiers gained respect for eachother. Both sides were observing the old chivalrious rules of the war in a time of despair. This is what Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (Turkish General at Gallipoli, then revolutionary leader and first President) said after the war:

    " Those heroes that shed their blood and
    lost their lives...! You are now lying in
    the soul of a friendly country, therefore
    rest in peace. There is no differences between
    the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they
    lie side by side here in this country of ours...

    You, the mothers who sent their sons from far away
    countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now
    lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having
    lost their lives on this land they have become
    our sons as well."
     
  9. Tunch Khan

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    Can someone try to describe Canadian UU mountie with it's abilities? Oh, we all know how cool they look like, but do they have firearms and such?
     
  10. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    I'll definitely be making a Canadian Civ (without leaderheads because I cannot do graphics :).

    I'll likely go with:

    Leader: Pierre Elliot Trudeau, Sir John A. MacDonald

    Capital: Ottawa; Flag: white with red maple leaf (need help for graphic)

    Scientists:
    Frederick Banting (NP medicine); Gerhard Herzberg (NP chemistry); John Polanyi (NP chemistry); Michael Smith (NP chemistry); Sid Altman (NP chemistry); Abraham Gesner (kerosene); Roberta Bondar (astronaut); Sir William Osler (physician)

    Merchant:
    Louis B. Mayer (movies); W.C. Van Horne (railway); Roy Thompson (media); Galen Weston (grocery); K.C. Irving (oil); Joseph-Armand Bombardier (airplanes/snowmobile); Timothy Eaton (dept stores)

    Prophet:
    St. Marguerite Bourgeoys; Saint Marguerite d'Youville; Blessed Brother André; Kateri Tekakwitha; Marshall McLuhan (theorist); Charles Taylor (humanist philosopher); Norman Bethune (humanitarian)

    Artists:
    Emily Carr (painter); Tom Thomson (painter); Yousef Karsh (photographer); Charles Daudelain (sculptor); Maragret Atwood (author); Robertson Davies (author); Glenn Gould (composer); Karen Kain (dancer)

    Engineers:
    Frank Gehry (architect); Ernest Cormier (engineer); Joseph-Armand Bombardier (engineer/inventor); Moshie Safdie (architect); Sir Sanford Fleming (standard time); Sir William Logan (geologist); Elsie McGill (engineer)

    UU: Mountie is a possibility, but I'd go with Canada Corps (WWI infantry)

    Cities:
    (note: you need fewer of these in Civ4 than you did in Civ3, as I understand; these are based on 1) size, 2) capitals, 3) regional rep)

    - Ottawa
    - Toronto
    - Montreal
    - Vancouver
    - Edmonton
    - Calgary
    - Winnipeg
    - Quebec City
    - Halifax
    - Regina
    - Hamilton
    - Victoria
    - St. John's
    - Mississauga
    - Saskatoon
    - Sault Ste Marie (my hometown, so...)
    - Fredericton
    - Whitehorse
    - Charlottetown
    - Yellowknife
    - Iqaluit
    - Kitchener
    - Saint John
    - Trois-Rivieres
    - St. Catharines
    - Saguenay
    - Sudbury
    - Kelowna
    - Brandon

    Again, the above list is not just based on size, but tries to give some regional flavour. Other bigger cities include Laval, Oshawa, Kingston, Thunder Bay, Sherbrooke, Richmond.

    Windsor and London are hard to add because they are both used by ENG.
     
  11. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    Modern "Mounties" ride in cars and carry pistols. :)

    But the "Red Serge" mounties of the 1880s (the ones people think of when they think 'mounties') usually did not carry weapons.
     
  12. Tunch Khan

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    Well they should still have a firepower of some sort if we're considering them as a modern/industrial UU for Canada, no?
     
  13. dalek master

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    Ok genius. You win.
     
  14. Quasar1011

    Quasar1011 King of Sylvania

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    In Alabama, Birmingham was not even founded until after the Civil War was over. Yet, Mobile was the 4th largest city in the confederacy, and Montgomery was its first capital.

    If you want Old South, don't forget smaller towns like Vicksburg & Natchez(MS), Charlottesville & Petersburg (VA), & Galveston TX. Also, San Antonio TX was the site of a major battle in the Mexican War, so it was an important town by 1861.

    New South: some of the fastest growing towns are Clarksville and Murfreesboro TN; Raleigh & Durham in NC; Auburn AL; Fayetteville AR; and just about anyplace in Florida and Texas!
     
  15. tdpatriots12

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    Another Confederate city to consider is Norfolk.

    /Virginian
     
  16. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    Absolutely. I was just mentioning it in a historical context.

    I noticed that too, but I think there is still value in taking some inventory for civ-specific people now because there may be a mod to address this later.

    I agree with the comment that civs are currently too generic as is.
     
  17. Latvian "Hound"

    Latvian "Hound" Chieftain

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    Civilization : Latvia

    Leader : Karlis Ulmanis

    Capital : Riga

    Flag : 3 horizontal lines. Dark red white dark red. The dark red was maron colour. The white line is bit thiner than the 2red lines

    Starting Techs : agiculture, fishing

    Great Scientists : Janis Stradins, Karlis Zale, Peteris Kuga

    Great Merchants : Janis Kuze

    Great Prophets : Biscap Albert

    Great Artists : Krisjanis Barons, Janis Rainis, Juris Alunans, Vilhelms Purvits, Auseklis, Aleksandrs Grins

    Great Engineers : Helmars Rudzits

    Unique Unit : Latvian Archer (The WW1 Unit, the unit is similar to this time infanty unit but they gained bigest sucess in East Europe while they were just about 10'000 soldiers, they also gained Latvia indepandance.

    Cities : Riga (capitol)
    Jelgava
    Ogre
    Jurmala
    Daugavpils
    Sigulda
    Tukums
    Liepaja
    Ventspils
    Bauska
    Limbazi
    Cesis
    Madona
    Ligatne
    Jekabpils
    Rezekne
    Smiltene
    Dobele
    Skrunda
    Saldus
    Broceni
    Kuldiga
    Priekule
    Durbe
    Aizpute
    Grobina
    Piltene
    Valdemarpils
    Talsi
    Stende
    Sabile
    Kandava
    Auce
    Salaspils
    Vangazi
    Olaine
    Baldone
    Lielvarde
    Ikskile
    Slacgriva
    Ainazi
    Rujiena
    Mazsalaca
    Strenci
    Valka
    Cesvaine
    Aizkraukle
    Kraslava
    Dagda
    Plavinas
    Aknikste
    Balvi
    Vilaki
    Zilupe
    Ape
    Seda
    Varaklani
     
  18. Tunch Khan

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    Hi Latvian "Hound", thanks for the info, can you post also about the leader traits too? I'll soon start working on other leaders as well.
     
  19. Tunch Khan

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    Civilization : Quebecois

    Leader : Montcalme - Organised and aggresive
    René Levesque - Organised and philosophical
    Governor de Champlain - Financial (fur trade), Organized (native alliances)

    Capital : Quebec

    Flag : (blue fleur-de-lis on white) Québec's flag...

    Starting Techs : Agriculture, Mysticism

    Great Scientists :

    Great Merchants :

    Great Prophets :

    Great Artists :

    Great Engineers :

    Unique Unit : Patriote, FLQ guerilla?, Voyageur?, Régiment de Carignan?

    Cities :

    Québec
    Trois-Rivières
    Montreal
     
  20. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    My first Canadian mod for Civ3 had the Voyageur as a UU. It would work well for Quebec (except that voyageurs historically numbered most in Ontario and Manitoba).

    In my mod, it was an enhanced settler unit - could move a bit faster and had basic combat.

    If sticking to history, the voyageur should get a woodlands bonus and improve commerce.
     

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