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Missing Civilizations

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Creation & Customization' started by Tunch Khan, Oct 24, 2005.

  1. Tunch Khan

    Tunch Khan Chieftain

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    This thread aims at creating a database for adding the missing civilizations for those who'd like to mod them. I suggest those who are interested in other civilizations should add some information about the nation, name; capital; cities; suggested leaders; UU; great people (scientist, merchant, prophet, engineer, artist).

    These are the poll results from this forum about your opinions on which Civs should be added with around 300 Civ fans participating and Babylonians are the most missed civilization with Turks and Vikings sharing a close second, Carthage/Phoenicia; Celts; and Zulu to follow. I will reserve the next six posts for these civilizations and we can all discuss on these as well as new ideas and suggestions.

    Assyria 59 20.07%
    Babylon 170 57.82%
    Celts 104 35.37%
    Carthage/Phoenicia 122 41.50%
    Dutch 95 32.31%
    Iroquois 90 30.61%
    Israel ( or ancient tribe ) 77 26.19%
    Khmer 41 13.95%
    Korea 71 24.15%
    Maya 94 31.97%
    Poland 41 13.95%
    Polynesia 40 13.61%
    Portugal 66 22.45%
    Siam 31 10.54%
    Sioux 55 18.71%
    Songhai 20 6.80%
    Turks/Ottomans 147 50.00%
    Vikings 155 52.72%
    Zulus 97 32.99%
    Other 49 16.67%
    Confederate States
    British Empire
    Canada
    Austria and Hungary
    Abyssinia
    Australia
    Servia
    Latvia
    Quebec
    Philippines
    Brazil
    Scots
    The Northeast
    Czechs
    Thracians
    Byzantium
    Swiss
    Tartessos
    Bosnia
    Courdes


    Progress going on
    Finished product w/o LH
    Finished product with initial LH support
    Ready to serve with LH & UU

    Please note: Leaderheads and Unique Units require additional graphic work that will take more time to complete.
     
  2. Tunch Khan

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    Leader : Hammurabi - Creative and Industrious, favors Organized Religion
    Sargon - Aggressive and Spiritual, favors Police State

    Capital : Babylon

    Flag : Golden lion on dark blue

    Starting Techs : The Wheel and Agriculture

    Great Scientists : Sennacherib, Nabonidus

    Great Merchants : Urumu-ush, Ahikar

    Great Prophets : Gilgamesh, Enheduanna, Assur-bani-pal

    Great Artists : Sin-liqi-unninni

    Great Engineers : Tiglath-pileser III

    Unique Unit : War Chariot, Babylonian Bowman

    Cities :

    Babylon
    Ur
    Nineveh
    Ashur
    Ellipi
    Akkad
    Uruk
    Eridu
    Samarra
    Lagash
    Kish
    Nippur
    Shuruppak
    Zariqum
    Sippar
    Izibia
    Larsa
    Nimrud
    Zamua
    Khorsabad
    Hindana
    Tell Wilaya
    Umma
    Adab
    Telloh
    Nina
    Ebla
    Isim
    Elam
    Susa
    Senkera
    Shirgulla
    Entemena
    Mari
    Yarmuti
    Ebla
    Amanus
    Taurus
    Kalakh
    Arrapkha
    Dur Shakkukin
    Kalhu
    Karkhemish
    Harran
    Tur Abdin
    Khabur
    Mari
    Khalwan
    Terge
    Suru
    Arbhela
    Ecbatanna
    Nisibhin
    Khabur
    Gundeshapur
    Qarqar
    Rasappa
    Hatra
    Raqqah
    Ruha
    Kullimeri
    Arpad
    Hamath
    Gublu
    Anduarsalia
    Anmurru
    Til Garimmu
    Itua
    Hit
    Anah
    Kakzu
    Gasur
    Calah
    Barsippa
    Nimit Ishtar
    Aninua
    Shibaniba
    Dur Sharrukin
    Balata
    Tarbisu
    Simmurrum
    Asari
    Imbur-Bel
    Tell Rimah
    Arballu
    Kar-Tukulti
    Nimurta
    Hatra
    Rania
    Jerwan
    Marad
    Kutha
    Neribtum
    Dur-Kurigalzu
    Tadmor
    Lachish
    Kalhu
    Der
    Karkheh
    Mari
    Taima
    Riblah
    Tushpa
    Qarqar
    Dan
    Hazor

    Please suggest leader traits, UU and great leaders. The ones I have listed here are the basic initial suggestions.
     
  3. Tunch Khan

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    Leader : Mehmed II - Creative and Expansive, favors Hereditary Rule
    Selim the Grim - Agressive and Expansive, favors Theocracy
    Suleyman the Magnificent - Financial and Philosophical, favors Bureaucracy
    Mustafa Kemal - Organized and Creative, favors Free Religion

    Capital : Istanbul

    Flag : White crescent and star on red

    Starting Techs : Mining and Hunting

    Great Scientists : Molla Fenari, Ali Kuscu, Kadizade Rumi, Ibn-i Sina, Imam Gazali, Mahmud Sipahizade, Molla Lutfi, Mirim Celebi, Nasuh Matraki

    Great Merchants : Ali Ekber (first Ottoman merchant to China), Seyfi Celebi, Ibrahim al-Tokadi, Seydi Ali Reis, Lutfi Celebi, Sakip Sabanci, Vehbi Koc, Nejat Eczacibasi

    Great Prophets : Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi, Yunus Emre, Haci Bektas Veli, Pir Sultan Abdal, Hoca Ahmet Yesevi, Sheyh Bedreddin, Nasreddin Hoca (folkloric philosopher), Said-i Nursi (controversial spiritual person with significant number of followers), Asik Veysel

    Great Artists : Dede Korkut, Omer Khayyam, Fuzuli, Evliya Celebi, Dede Efendi, Sinasi, Namik Kemal, Tevfik Fikret, Osman Hamdi Bey, Halide Edip Adivar, Nazim Hikmet, Orhan Veli Kanik, Yasar Kemal, Munir Nurettin Selcuk

    Great Engineers : Mimar Sinan, Hezarfen Celebi, Piri Reis, Ibrahim Muteferrika, Mehmed Said Efendi, Cezayirli Gazi Hasan Pasa, Cezayirli Seyyid Hasan, Yanyali Hoca Ishak, Kirkor Amira Balian

    Unique Unit : Janissary, Sipahi

    Cities :

    Istanbul
    Edrine
    Bursa
    Iznik
    Uskudar
    Izmit
    Manisa
    Aydin
    Antalya
    Konya
    Adana
    Sinop
    Ankara
    Kutahya
    Balikesir
    Eskisehir
    Trabzon
    Sivas
    Kayseri
    Karaman
    Afyon
    Uskup
    Canakkale
    Karahisar
    Manastir
    Silistre
    Kavala
    Kalkandelen
    Mugla
    Denizli
    Bolu
    Pristine
    Saraybosna
    Urfa
    Diyarbakir
    Erzurum
    Antep
    Maras
    Bingol
    Erzincan
    Rize
    Zonguldak
    Dobruca
    Sivastopol
    Kirklareli
    Samsun
    Burgaz
    Varna
    Ruscuk
    Tekirdag
    Cankiri
    Kastamonu
    Bitlis
    Mardin
    Van
    Milas
    Kars
    Ardahan
    Beyazid
    Nusaybin
    Kerkuk
    Suhumkale
    Derbend
    Yenikale
    Batum
    Baku
    Iskece
    Yozgat
    Tunceli
    Akhisar
    Kirikkale
    Iskenderun
     
  4. Tunch Khan

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    Leader : Ragnar Lodbrok - Aggressive and Expansive, favors Slavery
    Harald Hardråda - Aggressive and Spiritual, favors Hereditary Rule
    Gustav II Adolf - Philosophical and Creative, favors Bureuacracy
    Harald Bluetooth - Organized and Expansive, favors Organized Religion

    Capital : Trondheim

    Flag : Dragon-prow of a Longboat on blue(?) or black raven on white

    Starting Techs : Mining and Fishing

    Great Scientists : Carl von Linné, Anders Celsius, Jöns Jacob Berzelius, Anders Jonas Ångström, Carl Wilhelm Scheele, Tycho Brahe, Alfred Nobel, Niels Bohr, Ole Romer

    Great Merchants : Ingvar Kamprad, Lars Magnus Ericsson, Ivar Kreuger, A.P. Moller

    Great Prophets : Saint Birgitta, Saint Olav, Søren Kierkegaard, Raoul Wallenberg, Dag Hammarskjöld, Saint Knud, Holy Anders

    Great Artists : Hans Christian Anderssen, Jenny Lind, Greta Garbo, Ingmar Bergman, Ingrid Bergman, Elsa Beskow, Astrid Lindgren, August Strindberg, Carl Michael Bellman, Evert Axel Taube, Anders Leonard Zorn, Edvard Munch, Edvard Grieg, Knut Hamsun, Henrik Ibsen, Selma Lagerlöf, Snorri Sturluson

    Great Engineers : Johan Ericsson, Gustaf de Laval, Håkan Lans(?), Gustav Larsson, Mads Clausen

    Unique Unit : Longboat, Berserker

    Cities :

    Trondheim
    Birka
    Hedeby
    Uppsala
    Ribe
    Eketorp
    Roskilde
    Trondenes
    Aarhus
    Uppåkra
    Sigtuna
    Lindholm Høje
    Skara
    Visby
    Tønsberg
    Jelling
    Lade
    Helgö
    Steigen
    Aggersborg
    Paviken
    Slesvik
    Odense
    Reykjavik
    Brattahlid
    Viborg
    Tunafors
    Oslo
    Bjørgvin
    Jorvik
    Nicopia
    Alesund
    Harstad
    Örebro
    Lejre
    Aldeigjuborg
    Nylösa
    Ronneby
    Westness
    Jarlshof
    Holmgård
    Kvivik
    Herjolfsnes
    Lund
    Askrigg
    Sebbersund
    Helsingborg
    Nyborg
    Lahammer
    Tune
    Seeburg
    Ringerike
    Fyrkat
    Trelleborg
    Bytoften
    Brumunddal
    Kramfors
    Vinland
    Köping
    Västerås
    Jomsborg
    Könugård
    Aker
    Truso
    Wolin
    Aldeigjuborg
    Straumfjörðr
    Hóp

    Please suggest leader traits. The ones I have listed here are the basic initial suggestions.
     
  5. Tunch Khan

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    Leader : Hannibal - Aggressive and Expansive, favors Police State
    Dido - Financial and Organized, favors Free Market

    Capital : Carthage

    Flag : Palm tree (with a horse) on burgundy

    Starting Techs : Fishing, Hunting

    Great Scientists : Bomilcar, Tanit, Eshmuniaton

    Great Merchants :

    Great Prophets :

    Great Artists :

    Great Engineers :

    Unique Unit : War Elephant, Numidian Horseman

    Cities :

    Carthage
    Utica
    Malaca
    Caralis
    Panormus
    Leptis Parva
    Cartenna
    Rusicade
    Gades
    Rusucurru
    Girba
    Leptis Magna
    Carthago Nova
    Oea
    Tingis
    Rusaddir
    Alalia
    Selinus
    Himera
    Akragas
    Theveste
    Saguntum
    Carteia
    Mainake
    Sexi
    Abdera
    Lixus
    Hippo Regius
    Hadrumentum
    Sabrata
    Soleis
    Motya
    Tharros
    Sulcis
    Nora
    Mago
    Palma
    Ebusus
    Kinyps
    Melite
    Lilybaeum
    Tangier
    Algiers
    Tripoli
    Sijilmasa
    Casablanca
    Tamanrasset
    Saldae
    Rusguniae
    Thaenae
    al-Kaf
    Zouchis
    Gigthis
    Tacape
    Zama
     
  6. Tunch Khan

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    Leaders : Brennus - Aggressive and Spiritual, favors Organized Religion
    Vercingetorix - Organized and Financial, favors Mercantilism

    Capital : Pyreene

    Flag : Celtic cross?

    Starting Techs : Hunting and Mysticism

    Great Scientists : John Dee (alchemist), Giraldus Cambrensis, Ernest Jones, William Jones, Dr William Price, Alfred Russel Wallace

    Great Merchants : Sir Howard Stringer, David Buick, Andrew Carnegie, John Law, William Paterson

    Great Prophets : Saint David, Howell Harris, Seth Joshua, Saint Mungo

    Great Artists : Aneirin (medieval poet), Ann Griffiths, Hedd Wyn, Walter Map, Henry Vaughan

    Great Engineers : John Nash, Charles Stewart Rolls, Henry Bell, Charles Macintosh, James Watt

    Unique Unit : Gallic Warrior

    Cities :

    Pyreene
    Geneva
    Milan
    Galatia
    Belgrade
    Entremont
    Dublin
    Edinburgh
    Cardiff
    Budapest
    Kells
    Armagh
    Caernarfon
    Tintagel
    Carmarthen
    Caerphilly
    Cork
    Rhymney
    Iona
    Rhondda
    Illauntanig
    Swansea
    Durrow
    Merthyr
    Tara
    Llangollen
    Dinas Powys
    Aberystwyth
    Rhayader
    Abergavenny
    Dinas Emrys
    Cardigan
    Llanelli
    Maesteg
    Neath
    Angora
    Alesia
    Lugdunum
    Camulodunum
    Richborough
    Verulamium
    Gergovia
    Augustodurum
    Agedincum
    Eboracum
    Burdigala
    Cataractonium
    Lapurdum
    Ratae Coritanorum
    Tolosa
    Lindum
    Nemausus
    Curovernum
    Glanum
    Isca
    Segusio
    Rutupiae
    Monguntiacum
    Glevum
    Axima
    Deva
    Lezoux
    Noviomagus
    Arausio
    Durocortorum

    Alternate Gaulish city names by (Thamis):

    Bibracte
    Lutetia
    Avaricum
    Alesia
    Cenabum
    Tolosa
    Uxellodunum
    Vesontio
    Agendincum
    Cavillonum
    Decetia
    Gorgobina
    Lemonum
    Metlosedum
    Narbo
    Genava
    Nemetocenna
    Octodurus
    Gergovia
    Samarobriva
    Bibrax
    Matisco
    Cavillonum
    Burdigala
    Agendincum
    Redones
    Santoni
    Vellaunodunum
    Mediomatrici
    Atuatuca
    Bratuspantium

    Alternate Cornish Cities by (Sa~Craig):

    Plymouth
    Truro
    Taunton
    Exeter
    St. Austell
    Bridgwater
    Torquay
    Penzance
    Glastonbury
    Tiverton
    Newquay
    Frome
    Helston
    Cheddar
    Barnstaple
    Saltash
    Crewkerne
    Newton Abbot
    Bodmin
    Yeovil
    Exmouth
    Bude
    Redruth
    Minehead
    Ilfracombe
    Hugh Town
    Bristol
    Bath
    Weston-Super-Mare


    Alternate Welsh City Names by (Smokey Monkey):

    Ruler:prince Owain Glyndwr

    Cardiff Caerdydd
    Swansea Abertawe
    St Davids Tyddewi
    Bangor Bangor
    Newport Casnewydd
    Aberystwyth Aberystwyth
    Llandaff Llandaf
    Wrexham Wrecsam
    Carmarthen Caerfyrddin
    Conway Conwy
    Milford Haven Aberdaugleddau
    Haverfordwest Hwlffordd
    Merthyr Tydfil Merthyr Tudful
    Maesteg Maesteg
    Caernarvon Caernarfon
    Cardigan Ceredigion
    Pembroke Penfro
    Neath Castell-nedd
    Bridgend Pen-y-bont
    Llanelli Llanelli
    Holyhead Caergybi
    Caerleon Caerllion
    Tenby Dinbych-y-pysgod
    Caerphilly Caerffili
     
  7. Tunch Khan

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    Leader : Shaka - Aggressive and Expansive, favors Police State
    Nelson Mandela - Creative and Spiritual, favors Universal Sufferage

    Capital : Ulundi

    Flag : Pair of crossed spears on a zulu shield

    Starting Techs : Hunting and Agriculture

    Great Scientists :

    Great Merchants :

    Great Prophets :

    Great Artists : Phuzekhemisi, Mfazomnyama, Ladysmith Black Mambazo

    Great Engineers :

    Unique Unit : Impi

    Cities :

    Ulundi
    Lusaka
    Bapedi
    Sofala
    Hlobane
    Maputo
    Isandhlwana
    Durban
    Intombe
    Mpondo
    Ngome
    Swazi
    Tugela
    Umtata
    Umfolozi
    Ibabanago
    Isipezi
    Amatikulu
    Zunguin
    Dakar
    Nairobi
    Kinshasa
    Zimbabwe
    N'Djamena
    Lubumbashi
    Luanda
    Intombe
    Douala
    Cape Town
    Pongola
    Mandini
    Ixopo
    Mtunzini
    Empangeni
    Umlalazi
    Tuzi Gazi
    Enseleni
    Magudu
    Vryheid
    Nongoma
    Babanango
    Eshowe
    Colenso
    Nguthu
    Hluhluwe
    Jozini
    Kosi Bay
    Mkuze
    Mtubatuba
    Sodwana Bay
    St Lucia
    Umkomaas
    Hibberdene
    Amanzimtot

    Please suggest leader traits and great leaders. The ones I have listed here are the basic initial suggestions.
     
  8. Loppan Torkel

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    Swedish cities: Sigtuna, Östra Aros, Västra Aros, Uppsala, Visby, Skara, Lund,

    Nordic Scientists: Carl von Linné, Anders Celsius, Jöns Jacob Berzelius, Anders Jonas Ångström, Carl Wilhelm Scheele, Lars Magnus Ericsson, Tycho Brahe, Alfred Nobel,

    Artists: Sören Kierkegaard, ABBA :), Metallica :) :) , HC Anderssen, Jenny Lind, Greta Garbo, Ingmar Bergman, Ingrid Bergman, Dag Hammarsköld(?), Elsa Beskow, Astrid Lindgren, August Strindberg, Carl Michael Bellman, Evert Axel Taube, Anders Leonard Zorn, Edvard Munch,

    Merchants: Ingvar Kamprad, Lars Magnus Ericsson,

    Engineers: Johan Ericsson, Gustaf de Laval, Håkan Lans(?)

    Prophets: Saint Birgitta, Saint Olav,

    Edit: If it's Scandinavians rather than Vikings only (since, for example, all scientific leaders come after the Viking period), Gustav II Adolf would be a nice leader and diversity from the Viking leaders. An improved cannon could be the UU.
     
  9. Tunch Khan

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    I added your cities and people to the previous list, ABBA and Metallica are fun additions, but should we add them as great people of Vikings? Because they are a group of people, but i wouldn't mind it if people are pleased that way. :) Dag Hammarskjöld on the other hand is not an artist but a great diplomat. I placed him under prophets after his only published book "Markings" as he's truly a man of faith, duty and mission. Markings is a monumental book about his spiritual journey within his heart to transcend him deep into Mysticism.
     
  10. oldStatesman

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    Well here is a start for Polynesia - pardon any inaccuracies - I am very much an amatuer historian who is just develing into the Polynesian culture (I am not a naitve in any way shape or form) and this list is just meant as a starting point. It is as of now mainly an amalgamam of Maori and Hawaiin influences; however the area is rich wiht many other Island cultures so any other candidates are welcome.

    Leader : Kamehameha the Great (Hawaii) Kopura-tahi (Mythical King of the forebears of the original Polynesians as preserved by the Takitumu tribe of Maori)

    Capital : New Guinea (Place where it is generally thought the original Polynesians sailed from on their Diaspora)

    Great Scientists : Tupaia (Navigator and Priest, Accompanied Capt. Cook), Duke Kahanamoku (Inventor of Surfing)

    Great Merchants : Hiro (Legendary Tahtian who built first ocean going 'cargo' canoe thus enabling commerce and exploration)

    Great Prophets : Te Kooti (Maori Religious leaswer and warrior) Lono (Hawiian God)

    Great Artists : Don Ho, (Singer) Paul Gauguin (French Artist who made Tahiti famous)

    Great Engineers : Atua Ure Rangi (Easter Island King representative of the building of the Moai - the Great Statues of Easter Island)

    Unique Unit : Māori War Canoe

    Cities (Note- Using Island groups here instead of cities to reflect the character of this unique culture):
    Anuta (in the Solomon Islands)
    Cook Islands (self-governing former territory of New Zealand)
    Easter Island (part of Chile, called Rapa Nui in Rapa Nui)
    Emae (in Vanuatu)
    Hawai‘i (a state of the United States)
    Kapingamarangi (in the Federated States of Micronesia)
    Loyalty Islands (a dependency of the French territory of New Caledonia)
    Mele (in Vanuatu)
    Aotearoa (called New Zealand)
    Niue (a self-governing dependency of New Zealand)
    Nuguria (in Papua New Guinea)
    Nukumanu (in Papua New Guinea)
    Nukuoro (in the Federated States of Micronesia)
    Ontong Java (in the Solomon Islands)
    Pileni (in the Solomon Islands)
    Rennell (in the Solomon Islands)
    Rotuma (an island in the extreme north of Fiji)
    Samoa (independent nation)
    Sikaiana (in the Solomon Islands)
    Swains Island (politically part of American Samoa)
    Takuu (in Papua New Guinea)
    Tikopia (in the Solomon Islands)
    Tokelau (overseas dependency of New Zealand)
    Tonga (independent nation)
    Tuvalu (independent nation)
    Wallis and Futuna (overseas territory of France)

    Most Research from Wikpedia and New Zealand Electronic Text center http://www.nzetc.org/index.html
     
  11. huntunc

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    Posted this a while back, but here it is again

    The South

    Leader: I know that Jefferson Davis is the easy defaut for a Southern leader, but how about one of the secessionists instead of an inept leader of a bankrupt government? I say John C. Calhoun, philispohical (as there is no doubt he was an influencial and genius statesman, much like Scalia you might not agree with his views but its hard to disagree with his logic) and industrious (I realize that the South wasn't really industious at the time, but if you look at the actual benefit of wonder production then the promotion of a state's right to slave labor seems most appropriate). He would favor nationhood civic.

    Alternate Leader: Martin Luther King, Jr. is spiritual and expansive and favors universal suffrage. This could help take the edge off of those who would falsely percieve a Southern civilization as predominantly racist (or at least any more racist than others). It would also be a giant step over the other alternate leaders which seem more or less to represent the same ideals perceptions on a civilizations culture.

    UU: The Confederate Submarine. Should come along earlier than most other submarines, probably the same time as the ironclads and have the same stealth and attack capabilites of a normal submarine. Advantage of the unique unit is not in its base stats, but in the earlier spot on the tech tree.

    Alternate UU: Johnny Reb. Is a unit that arises in any age as the highest tech defensive unit (spearmen, musketman, rifleman) who functions much like partisans in Civ 2, in that they pop up after an invasion. However, it would only occur after an invasion by a former ally...say a certain diplomacy ranking during the prior 10 or 15 turns. This would be a fairly accurate representation of the patriotic Southern soldier, who did not fight for slavery but against an invading army. Cost is free, but can not be built and occur at random roll of die (like global warming, but with better odds) and is affected by level of culture and happiness in the conquered city and units may continue to appear from the time of conquer until peace is declared. Is not available until the discovery of Civil Service.

    Capital City: Atlanta, not the actual capital at the time of the war. However, there is no doubt that it is the capital of the New South and as we are looking at a civilization as a whole we should look at the entire history of the Civilization not just four years (hence the inclusion of Calhoun and King as the leaders). In addition, this would help with the problem of the South only building Richmond and America having 4 or 5 cities including "Atlanta" and then wanting to build other citeis and Atlanta not being a choice.

    Other Cities: Richmond, Charleston, New Orleans, Savannah, Nashville, Birmingham, Jackson, Memphis (will probably be gone by the time you get to it b/c of Egyptians), Chattanooga, Willaimsburg and St. Augustine (very Old South), Charlotte and Arlington (representing the New South).

    Great People, assuming like in Civ III

    Great Artist: Faulkner

    Great Merchantman: Ted Turner

    Great Engineer: How about Andrew Jackson for the barricades in New Orleans "during" the War of 1812. Sorry I'm not an expert on great engineers.

    Great Prophet: Billy Graham

    Colors: Red, secondary Gray.

    Flag: Anything other than the Confederate Battle Flag doesn't seem very depictive...but definently open to nonconfrontational alternatives, especailly with MLK as alternate who I can't see carrying a Confederate Battle Flag.

    Culture group (I assume there is a visual difference in how units and improvements appear on the map): Mixed or Euro and African in appearance of units, but Euro in improvements and early settlements.

    Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about computers and this is the only game I've really played since I was 13 years old when I got my first Civ I for my Dad's Mac. Anyone interested in helping me to create this civilization for real in the modding stuff, or want to give me some hints on how this can easily be done??? I get tired of just creating a custom civ and changing my leader name and cities to get the desired effect and end up with an Elephant as my unique unit. Thanks for reading this far.
     
  12. Tunch Khan

    Tunch Khan Chieftain

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    huntunc's suggestion reminded me of the flags; it would be great if you could also suggest a brief description (or image if it's really necessary) of the flag of the civilization you are proposing. I would recommend the following default outline to avoid confusion:

    Civilization :

    Leader :

    Capital :

    Flag :

    Starting Techs :

    Great Scientists :

    Great Merchants :

    Great Prophets :

    Great Artists :

    Great Engineers :

    Unique Unit :

    Cities :
     
  13. Loppan Torkel

    Loppan Torkel Chieftain

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    I heard about his book "Markings", have you read it?

    I should mention also that the list I posted is pretty Swedish-sided. Some of the persons might not be "great" enough, especially if any Danes or Norwegians, or Icelanders for the matter, would add their suggestions to the list...

    You should also decide whether you want "anglospelling" or our native spelling to the names.
     
  14. Tunch Khan

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    I have read some articles on it with quotations. I'll lay my hands on it as soon as i can.
    Anything or any character that is going to appear on Civ IV is fine as long as there's no major difference between the local and international (Anglosaxon?) spelling. (As in Suleyman> Suleiman> Solomon> I prefer the first version in Turkish)
     
  15. HourlyDaily

    HourlyDaily Man-o-Mercy

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    On the Celts; I admit my laziness at looking up great people - but we don't not have to put up with the Romanised versions of city names. Yes Persians can argue that about the Greeks naming their cities for posterity etc. Pinyin translations into English etc.

    These all come from the Civ 3 forums:
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96814
    and
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=27092
    and
    [URL="http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=33011]http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=33011[/URL]

    Useful for the rest of the civs on this list. ( I think)

    Also for the Irish Celts - can I put forward Brian Boruma as a leader? Someone else suggested it in another thread.

    Iberian, Welsh and Breton Celts may also suggest leaders, cities and great people if they'd like.
     
  16. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Hm, perhaps August Strindberg would be a more reasonable choice than Abba, for the swedish civ ;) Also i think that Knut Hamsun was swedish too.

    For a scandinavian civ you could also add Ibsen and Grieg
     
  17. dpaajones

    dpaajones Industrious

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    Civilization : British Empire

    Leader : Queen-Empress Victoria (could use the same images as the English leader)

    Capital : London

    Flag : Union Jack

    Unique Unit : Dreadnought-class warship (see Wiki article) to replace ironclad (does that exist in Civ4?)

    Cities : London, Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle, Bristol, Leeds, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cardiff, Dublin, Calcutta, Delhi, Belfast, Gibraltar, Ottawa, Singapour, Hong Kong, Sydney, etc etc!
     
  18. Loppan Torkel

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    Well I did include August Strindberg in the list, although I did forget about

    Selma Lagerlöf (artist)
    and there are probably other too that should be in, especially Danish and Norwegian people.

    Edvard Grieg (artist),
    Knut Hamsun (artist)
    Henrik Ibsen (artist)
    are all Norwegian and should be included.

    Snorri Sturluson, Icelander (artist)
    deserves a spot as well.

    edit: @Tunch Khan - Alesund is mentioned two times in your list, and Malmo->Malmö and Gavle->Gävle if you want to use å, ä, ö like in the latter cities (just to be consistent). I'm not sure whether you want the modern or the old citynames either, since you've named it a "Viking" civ. Whichever Västra Aros becomes Västerås, Östra Aros -> Uppsala and Uppsala -> Gamla (old) Uppsala. It might get confusing if you use cities from different periods without being consistent with their names....
     
  19. CivDav

    CivDav Chieftain

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    They should put in some smaller civs. For example danish, israel, hungary....
     
  20. Kyriakos

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    Why Hamsun as scientist? he was an author :)
     

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