Missing Civilizations

[Ben Music]

Is it really necessary to post every city/town/village/hamlet/cottage in Quebec? I think an abbreviated list with less than 50 entries would be sufficient.

 

[Armed_Maniac]

indead it is not... but i could'nt decide which to keep and tu cut out... Besides, a mod may comme out one day with TRULY huge maps where a citizen face represents a family. Besides, it's easy to cut short a list, but it's long to add... so why not put em all there, supply a shorter list later...

 

[Tunch Khan]

... Besides, it's easy to cut short a list, but it's long to add... so why not put em all there, supply a shorter list later...

I agree with you on this, however, there's always a need for a shorter list where we know which ones are important. I suggest we cut down the top 25 as I believe a list of 25 cities should be enough to begin with. I have always thought more is better so far, but playing a huge terra map and seeing the average civ has like 3-4 cities and the incredible amount of time it takes to mod every single city in the game, copying in two different integrated files in seperate folders and -for the crazy- having them in five seperate languages takes quite a while. I only modded half of my initial Turkish cities for example and build only 4 of them. But having a nice long list is always nice as long as we know which ones are more important.

 

[Armed_Maniac]

I agree with you on this, however, there's always a need for a shorter list where we know which ones are important. I suggest we cut down the top 25 as I believe a list of 25 cities should be enough to begin with. I have always thought more is better so far, but playing a huge terra map and seeing the average civ has like 3-4 cities and the incredible amount of time it takes to mod every single city in the game, copying in two different integrated files in seperate folders and -for the crazy- having them in five seperate languages takes quite a while. I only modded half of my initial Turkish cities for example and build only 4 of them. But having a nice long list is always nice as long as we know which ones are more important.

Agreed then... Here is a list I copied from another dude and ido not claim I did this (i did a longer list )

Québec
Trois-Rivières
Montréal
Laval
Gaspé
Sept-Iles
Lévis
St-Jérome
St-Eustache
Chicoutimi
Gatineau
Ste-Thérèse
St-Benoit
Terrebonne
Hull
Rosemère
Boisbriand
St-Agathe
Longueil
Brossard
Sherbrooke
Drummondville
Alma
Fermont
Ste-Foy
Shefferville
Rouyn-Noranda
Chibougamau
Deux-Montagne
Oka
La Tuque
Victoriaville
Joliette
La Malbaie

I only changed the order a bit, to put Trois-Rivières as second.
Otherwise, the administrative regions, by me:

Québec
Montréal
Bas-Saint-Laurent
Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean
Mauricie
Estrie
Outaouais
Abitibi-Timiscamingue
Côte-Nord
Nord-du-Québec
Gaspésie
Chaudière-Appalaches
Laval
Lanaudière
Laurentides
Montérégie

 

[Initals J.A.]

Don't mean to be critical but Austri-Hungary was never a cilvilization!!! The two Empires were joined thru marriage but later the Hungarians revolted (somewhat unsuccesfully) and where able to control their own country while still being part of the Empire.

Yes, I think if your going to put Austria and Hugary in they should be seperate. From what ive read Austria was the dominant force.
On another note i dont think the Hussar should be an Austrian UU. It was used by all europeans but i think Poland or Hungary should have it as their UU. Poland especially was the one that used them to the best effect.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I'd just use Austria. For a long period of time, they ruled the whole area. They grew in strength after the Congress of Vienna (as did Prussia, but that's a different topic). Eventually, the nationalism they faced in their territories (unlike the relatively German population of Prussia, Austria had Hungarian and Serb populations) forced them to compromise and give joint rule to Hungaria. I think people are quick to say "Austria-Hungary" because they remember World War I from history class, but Austria as sole ruler of Hungary was more important from further back, imo.

 

[Initals J.A.]

NB: I am not Brazilian. I think as a Regional and emerging World Power they are a justified addition. With all the Civ ideas being thrown around i think it would be good to have some justification behind their inclusion.

Also as this is an outside view of Brazil, im sure plenty of people are going to think of changes. This is not a perfect final list!

Civilization : Brazil

Leader : Pedro II (Brazil's 2nd and Last Emporer) Financial and Organized

Capital : Rio De Janeiro (was the countrys first capital)

Flag : Well known by football fans the world over.

Starting Techs : Agriculture, Archery

Great Scientists : Jose Reis
Mario Schenberg

Great Merchants : Irineu Evangelista de Sousa

Great Prophets : Leonard Boff (im really out of my depth with this bit.)
Helder Camara

Great Artists : Candido Portinari
Pele

Great Engineers : Lucio Costa
Oscar Niemeyer

Unique Unit : Suggestions? I was thinking maybe some kind of revolutionary unit. A well armed worker for example. But if you have a better idea go for it.

Cities :
Sao Paulo
Salvador
Sao Luis
Belo Horizonte
Fortaleza
Brasilia
Curitiba
Manaus
Recife
Porto Alegre
Belem
Rio Branco
Boa Vista
Arcaju
Natal
Campo Grande
Cuiaba
Florianopolis
Porto Velho
Nova Iguacu
Sao Goncalo
Palmas
Vitoria
Teresina

 

[Louis XXIV]

There are a couple of Brazilian people around. Maybe one of them will see this thread and come up with ideas.

 

[Wyz_sub10]

Agreed then... Here is a list I copied from another dude and ido not claim I did this (i did a longer list )



I only changed the order a bit, to put Trois-Rivières as second.
Otherwise, the administrative regions, by me:

Québec
Montréal
Bas-Saint-Laurent
Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean
Mauricie
Estrie
Outaouais
Abitibi-Timiscamingue
Côte-Nord
Nord-du-Québec
Gaspésie
Chaudière-Appalaches
Laval
Lanaudière
Laurentides
Montérégie

Just a couple of nitpicky spelling errors in the text you had quoted:

Sherbroke should be Sherbrooke and Trois-Rivière should be Trois-Rivières. I would also add Jonquière and put Laval higher.

 

[Armed_Maniac]

Just a couple of nitpicky spelling errors in the text you had quoted:

Sherbroke should be Sherbrooke and Trois-Rivière should be Trois-Rivières. I would also add Jonquière and put Laval higher.

(EDIT) ooooh, mistakes in the text i quoted! lol, i though the text i wrote... i'll fix that and maybe tweak the order a bit...


Also, what would be cool would be a mexican civ It was done for ACM in civ3... but i don't know any mexicans that have acutally lived in Mexico... so i don't know much about it. Hehe, the US would be in a big sandwich, Canada and Québec at top, mexico under, and lots of ocean on the sides But i think the guy is making ACM for civ4... so if we are patient we will have an awseome mod

 

[El Bajong]

Regarding Ethiopia, as far as I know, Abyssinia is the western name for the country, not a local name. Aksum or Ethiopia would be better alternatives. I think Ethiopia would be the one to go for, as I cant imagine many people ever having heard of the Aksumite Empire...

Leaders: (Not sure what traits the first two should be, but someone else have allready mentioned them I think)
Emperor Menelik I (founder)
Emperor Menelik II (stopped Italian attempt at colonization)
Emperor Haile Selassie I, Religious and Organized (he did try unifying Africa)

W.I.N.T.E.R: Which flag is that? All the Ethiopian flags I have seen have been variations on the green, yellow, red combination.

 

[ejdacanay]

Civilization: Philippines

Leaders:

Emilio Aguinaldo (The First President, declared independence in Philippines, Confident and Perfectionist)
Ferdinand E. Marcos (President for 20 years, Very Wise and Very Intelligent)
Corazon C. Aquino (The First Female President, Cunning and Smart)
Manuel Quezon (One Of The Best Presidents)

Great Scientists: Gregorio Zara, Pedro Escuro, Agapito Flores, Pedro Flores, Jose Rodriguez, Carmen Velasquez, Daniel Dingel, Fe del Mundo, Roberto del Rosario, Eduardo San Juan

Heroes: Jose Rizal, Ferdinand Magellan, Gregorio Del Pilar, Tandang Sora, Andres Bonifacio, Marcelo Del Pilar, Apolinario Mabini, Lapu-Lapu, Gomburza

Starting Techs: Agriculture & Hunting

Flag Description: Two equal horizontal bands of blue (top) and red with a white equilateral triangle based on the hoist side; in the center of the triangle is a yellow sun with eight primary rays (each containing three individual rays) and in each corner of the triangle is a small yellow five-pointed star. Actual Flag: http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/g10.gif

Unique Unit: Philippine Special Ops Infantry

Capital: Manila

Cities: (Using Provinces, because there's too many Cities)

Manila
Cebu
Agusan del Norte
Albay
Basilan
Bataan
Batangas
Benguet
Bohol
Bukidnon
Bulacan
Cagayan
Camarines Sur
Capiz
Cavite
Cotabato
Davao
Davao del Sur
Ilocos Norte
Ilocos Sur
Iloilo
Isabela
La Union
Laguna
Lanao del Norte
Lanao del Sur
Leyte province
Maguindanao
Masbate
Misamis Occidental
Misamis Oriental
Negros Occidental
Negros Oriental
Nueva Ecija
Oriental Mindoro
Palawan Puerto
Pampanga
South Cotabato
Zamboanga del Norte
Zamboanga del Sur

I'll Add Stuff

Civilization: Philippines

Leaders:

Emilio Aguinaldo (The First President, declared independence in Philippines, Confident and Perfectionist(Philiosphical)
Ferdinand E. Marcos (President for 20 years, Very Wise and Very Intelligent)
Corazon C. Aquino (The First Female President, Cunning and Smart)
Manuel Quezon (Famous Philippine President During World War 2)

Great Scientists: Gregorio Zara, Pedro Escuro, Agapito Flores, Pedro Flores, Jose Rodriguez, Carmen Velasquez, Daniel Dingel, Fe del Mundo, Roberto del Rosario, Eduardo San Juan

Heroes: Jose Rizal, Ferdinand Magellan, Gregorio Del Pilar, Tandang Sora, Andres Bonifacio, Marcelo Del Pilar, Apolinario Mabini, Lapu-Lapu, Gomburza

Starting Techs: Agriculture & Hunting

Flag Description: Two equal horizontal bands of blue (top) and red with a white equilateral triangle based on the hoist side; in the center of the triangle is a yellow sun with eight primary rays (each containing three individual rays) and in each corner of the triangle is a small yellow five-pointed star. Actual Flag: http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/g10.gif

Unique Unit: Philippine Constabulary Rangers (The Philippine Constabulary Rangers, or PC Rangers, were independent light infantry companies which served as a counter-insurgency force similar to United States Army Rangers and were organized into 12 large regional companies.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Constabulary

Capital: Manila

Cities: (Using Provinces, because there's too many Cities)

Manila
Cebu
Agusan del Norte
Albay
Basilan
Bataan
Batangas
Benguet
Bohol
Bukidnon
Bulacan
Cagayan
Camarines Sur
Capiz
Cavite
Cotabato
Davao
Davao del Sur
Ilocos Norte
Ilocos Sur
Iloilo
Isabela
La Union
Laguna
Lanao del Norte
Lanao del Sur
Leyte province
Maguindanao
Masbate
Misamis Occidental
Misamis Oriental
Negros Occidental
Negros Oriental
Nueva Ecija
Oriental Mindoro
Palawan Puerto
Pampanga
South Cotabato
Zamboanga del Norte
Zamboanga del Sur

btw..i WILL give you a tip (cash) if you get this accomplished =D

 

[pertm]

Here are some Norwegian people that should be included
Edvard Munch(artist)
Ole Bull(artist)
Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson(artist)
a-ha(artist) when Abba is in it why not
Sissel Kyrkjebø(artist)

Peder Wessel Tordenskjold(Prophet)
All Norwegian except Tordenskjold who lived when Norway & Denamark was in union.
Albert Nobel (Scientist / Engineer / Merchant) not sure

Alesund should be written Aalesund or with Å
Also Nidaros should be included, as cities it's an old name for Trondheim.
Other cities from Norway
Bergen
Christiania - name for Oslo during the union with Denmark
Fredrikstad
Kongsberg
Stavanger
Haugesund
Kristiansand
Gjøvik
Hammar
Lillehamar
Tromsø
Bodø
Molde

Is the city listed as Aker a Norwegian city or from some of the other countries?
That if it is from Norway and Brumundal and Ringerike are not cities of Norway. It would be easier to see if the cities are suitable if there was any indication of what country it is from.

Leader: Knut the mighty, was king of Denmark, but ruled a lot I think it was large parts of England and more.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Regarding Ethiopia...

W.I.N.T.E.R: Which flag is that? All the Ethiopian flags I have seen have been variations on the green, yellow, red combination.

I thought of an easy solution by taking the yellow star and the green background...

 

[Martinus]

Civilization : Poland

Leader : #1 Kazimierz Wielki (Casimir The Great)
-Industrialist
-Scientific
#2 Jozef Pilsudski (Joseph Pilsudski)
-Militaristic
-Expansionist

Capital : Krakow or Warszawa

Flag : Should be the national Symbol (A crowned white eagle on a red shield)

Great Scientists : Marja Sklodowska-Curie

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets : Karol Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II)

Great Artists : Jan Matejko

Great Engineers : Tadeusz Sendzimir

Unique Unit : Polish Hussaria (sidenote: Wings are attached to the horse not the rider)

Cities :

Gniezno
Krakow (if not the Capital)

I will fill you in more tomorrow that is if I won't be too busy with my brand spanking new Civ IV game

Good choices there, but I don't think Casimir should be Industrious and Philosophical, since it's the only trait combo left out due to being overpowered.

I propose making him Industrious and Creative (culture).

 

[El Bajong]

I thought of an easy solution by taking the yellow star and the green background...

I see... I think the more "correct" thing to do in that case, would be to make it green, but put in the "Conquering Lion of Judah" symbol on it instead of the star. I suppose that could be a bit of a pain to create a graphic for though...



The one with the star has only been in use since 1996 i think, while the other one was adopted in 1897 and used untill the fall of Haile Selassie I. Another way to do it would be to just use the colors of the plain tricolor, and nothing else. Is that possible? (I know virtually nothing about modding these games).

 

[GoSkins]

Civilization : Israel / Hebrews

Leader : David (Spiritual, Expansive) favors Hereditary Rule
Solomon (Spiritual, Creative) favors Organized Religion
David Ben-Gurion (Spiritual, Industrial) favors Universal Suffrage
Golda Meir (Spiritual, Philosophical) favors Pacifism

Capital : Jerusalem

Flag : White, with Menorah emblem

Starting Techs : Mysticism, Agriculture

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets :

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit : Mossad, Merkava, Maccabee

Cities :

Jerusalem
Haifa
Tel-Aviv
Megiddo
Hebron
Jaffa
Ashkelon
Rishon L'Tzion
Elat
Ashdod
Netanya
Bat Yam
Beersheva
Holon
Petach Tikvah
Safed
Hadera
Herzilya
Raanana
Kfar Saba
Bne Brak
Ramat Gan
Rshovot
Ashkelon
Kiryat Gat
Nazareth
Tiberias
Carmiel
Kiryat Shemona
Metulla

A couple comments, and I will try to add some info.
Ben Gurion should be financial or organized rather than spiritual. Of course any one of Israel's rulers could be considered spiritual because the nation and religion are almost one and the same, but Ben Gurion was a secular ruler.
Golda Meir should neither be spiritual or favor pacifism. She was one of the toughest, masculine leaders of modern Israel. I wouldnt say aggressive though. Maybe give Ben Gurion the organized trait instead of spiritual, and Golda financial instead of spritual. Also, I would have golda favor bureaucracy.

I dont think the great leaders are civ specific. They are randomly drawn from a list, so I wont go there now, but I can later if need be.

Remove from city list:
Tiberias - Roman city (if you decide to keep, you can also add Ceasarea)
Bnei Barak - not really a city

Add to city list:
Akko
Beit Shemesh
Arad
Jericho
Bethlehem
Dimona
Ein Gedi
Afula

Typos: Eilat (not Elat), Rehovot (not Rshovot)

 

[matros]

Don't take this too seriously, I know Slovakia is not the greatest civ in the world, but I think it would be interesting to play a couple games as slovaks

Civilization : Slovakia

Leader : Milan Rastislav Stefanik, favors emancipation
Svatopluk, favors hereditary rule
Alexander Dubcek, favors free speech
Matus Cak, favors serfdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Rastislav_Stefanik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svätopluk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Dubček
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matus_Cak

Capital : Bratislava

Flag : see here> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Slovakia_Coat_of_Arms.png

Starting Techs : the wheel and agriculture

Great Scientists : Jan Kollar, Stefan Banic, Jan Jesenius, Jozef Murgas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Kollar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Štefan_Banič
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Jesenius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jozef_Murgaš

Great Merchants : King Samo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Samo

Great Prophets : Sv. Cyril, Sv. Metod

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_(827-869)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Methodius

Great Artists : Pavol Orszagh Hviezdoslav, Ludovit Stur, Paul of Levoca

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hviezdoslav
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludovit_Stur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Paul_of_Levoča

Great Engineers : Emery Roth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emery_Roth

Unique Unit : ???

Cities :

Bratislava
Košice
Prešov
Nitra
Žilina
Banská Bystrica
Trnava
Martin
Trenčín
Poprad
Prievidza
Zvolen
Nové Zámky
Považská Bystrica
Michalovce
Spišská nová ves
Komárno
Levice
Humenné
Liptovský Mikuláš
Bardejov
Piešťany
Ružomberok
Topoľčany
Lučenec
Dubnica
Partizánske
Rimavská Sobota
Šaľa
Hlohovec
Dunajská Streda
Vranov
Brezno
Trebišov
Pezinok
Nové mesto
Senica
Snina
Bánovce
Žiar nad Hronom
Dolný Kubín
Rožňava
Púchov
Handlová
Malacky
Sereď
Kežmarok
Galanta
Kysucké nové mesto
Stará Ľubovňa
Zlaté Moravce
Detva
Skalica
Senec
Veľký Krtíš
Revúca
Levoča
Štúrovo
Myjava
Svidník
Nová Dubnica
Šamorín
Bytča
Sabinov
Holíč
Kolárovo
Stará Turá
Banská Štiavnica
Stropkov
Fiľakovo

 

[Tunch Khan]

A couple comments, and I will try to add some info.
Ben Gurion should be financial or organized rather than spiritual. Of course any one of Israel's rulers could be considered spiritual because the nation and religion are almost one and the same, but Ben Gurion was a secular ruler.
Golda Meir should neither be spiritual or favor pacifism. She was one of the toughest, masculine leaders of modern Israel. I wouldnt say aggressive though. Maybe give Ben Gurion the organized trait instead of spiritual, and Golda financial instead of spritual. Also, I would have golda favor bureaucracy.

I dont think the great leaders are civ specific. They are randomly drawn from a list, so I wont go there now, but I can later if need be.

Remove from city list:
Tiberias - Roman city (if you decide to keep, you can also add Ceasarea)
Bnei Barak - not really a city

Add to city list:
Akko
Beit Shemesh
Arad
Jericho
Bethlehem
Dimona
Ein Gedi
Afula

Typos: Eilat (not Elat), Rehovot (not Rshovot)

Added the cities and fixed the issues you brought up.

 

[Armed_Maniac]

Don't take this too seriously, I know Slovakia is not the greatest civ in the world, but I think it would be interesting to play a couple games as slovaks

Civilization : Slovakia

Leader : Milan Rastislav Stefanik, favors emancipation
Svatopluk, favors hereditary rule
Alexander Dubcek, favors free speech
Matus Cak, favors serfdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Rastislav_Stefanik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svätopluk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Dubček
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matus_Cak

Capital : Bratislava

Flag : see here> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Slovakia_Coat_of_Arms.png

Starting Techs : the wheel and agriculture

Great Scientists : Jan Kollar, Stefan Banic, Jan Jesenius, Jozef Murgas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Kollar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Štefan_Banič
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Jesenius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jozef_Murgaš

Great Merchants : King Samo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Samo

Great Prophets : Sv. Cyril, Sv. Metod

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_(827-869)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Methodius

Great Artists : Pavol Orszagh Hviezdoslav, Ludovit Stur, Paul of Levoca

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hviezdoslav
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludovit_Stur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Paul_of_Levoča

Great Engineers : Emery Roth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emery_Roth

Unique Unit : ???

Cities :

Bratislava
Košice
Prešov
Nitra
Žilina
Banská Bystrica
Trnava
Martin
Trenčín
Poprad
Prievidza
Zvolen
Nové Zámky
Považská Bystrica
Michalovce
Spišská nová ves
Komárno
Levice
Humenné
Liptovský Mikuláš
Bardejov
Piešťany
Ružomberok
Topoľčany
Lučenec
Dubnica
Partizánske
Rimavská Sobota
Šaľa
Hlohovec
Dunajská Streda
Vranov
Brezno
Trebišov
Pezinok
Nové mesto
Senica
Snina
Bánovce
Žiar nad Hronom
Dolný Kubín
Rožňava
Púchov
Handlová
Malacky
Sereď
Kežmarok
Galanta
Kysucké nové mesto
Stará Ľubovňa
Zlaté Moravce
Detva
Skalica
Senec
Veľký Krtíš
Revúca
Levoča
Štúrovo
Myjava
Svidník
Nová Dubnica
Šamorín
Bytča
Sabinov
Holíč
Kolárovo
Stará Turá
Banská Štiavnica
Stropkov
Fiľakovo

Cool... can't really make any other comments 'cause i hardly know the country though...

Any mexicans here? We need a mexican civ... Or guatamala... ooooh, i'd love to conquer the world with colombia! (Or panama, that would be awseome, lol)