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Missing Civilizations

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Creation & Customization' started by Tunch Khan, Oct 24, 2005.

  1. Ben Music

    Ben Music Chieftain

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    Is it really necessary to post every city/town/village/hamlet/cottage in Quebec? I think an abbreviated list with less than 50 entries would be sufficient.
     
  2. Armed_Maniac

    Armed_Maniac Soldati

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    indead it is not... but i could'nt decide which to keep and tu cut out... Besides, a mod may comme out one day with TRULY huge maps where a citizen face represents a family. Besides, it's easy to cut short a list, but it's long to add... so why not put em all there, supply a shorter list later...
     
  3. Tunch Khan

    Tunch Khan King

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    I agree with you on this, however, there's always a need for a shorter list where we know which ones are important. I suggest we cut down the top 25 as I believe a list of 25 cities should be enough to begin with. I have always thought more is better so far, but playing a huge terra map and seeing the average civ has like 3-4 cities and the incredible amount of time it takes to mod every single city in the game, copying in two different integrated files in seperate folders and -for the crazy- having them in five seperate languages takes quite a while. I only modded half of my initial Turkish cities for example and build only 4 of them. But having a nice long list is always nice as long as we know which ones are more important.
     
  4. Armed_Maniac

    Armed_Maniac Soldati

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    Agreed then... Here is a list I copied from another dude and ido not claim I did this (i did a longer list :))

    I only changed the order a bit, to put Trois-Rivières as second.
    Otherwise, the administrative regions, by me:

    Québec
    Montréal
    Bas-Saint-Laurent
    Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean
    Mauricie
    Estrie
    Outaouais
    Abitibi-Timiscamingue
    Côte-Nord
    Nord-du-Québec
    Gaspésie
    Chaudière-Appalaches
    Laval
    Lanaudière
    Laurentides
    Montérégie
     
  5. Initals J.A.

    Initals J.A. Chieftain

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    Yes, I think if your going to put Austria and Hugary in they should be seperate. From what ive read Austria was the dominant force.
    On another note i dont think the Hussar should be an Austrian UU. It was used by all europeans but i think Poland or Hungary should have it as their UU. Poland especially was the one that used them to the best effect.
     
  6. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    I'd just use Austria. For a long period of time, they ruled the whole area. They grew in strength after the Congress of Vienna (as did Prussia, but that's a different topic). Eventually, the nationalism they faced in their territories (unlike the relatively German population of Prussia, Austria had Hungarian and Serb populations) forced them to compromise and give joint rule to Hungaria. I think people are quick to say "Austria-Hungary" because they remember World War I from history class, but Austria as sole ruler of Hungary was more important from further back, imo.
     
  7. Initals J.A.

    Initals J.A. Chieftain

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    NB: I am not Brazilian. I think as a Regional and emerging World Power they are a justified addition. With all the Civ ideas being thrown around i think it would be good to have some justification behind their inclusion.

    Also as this is an outside view of Brazil, im sure plenty of people are going to think of changes. This is not a perfect final list!

    Civilization : Brazil

    Leader : Pedro II (Brazil's 2nd and Last Emporer) Financial and Organized

    Capital : Rio De Janeiro (was the countrys first capital)

    Flag : Well known by football fans the world over.

    Starting Techs : Agriculture, Archery

    Great Scientists : Jose Reis
    Mario Schenberg

    Great Merchants : Irineu Evangelista de Sousa

    Great Prophets : Leonard Boff (im really out of my depth with this bit.)
    Helder Camara

    Great Artists : Candido Portinari
    Pele

    Great Engineers : Lucio Costa
    Oscar Niemeyer

    Unique Unit : Suggestions? I was thinking maybe some kind of revolutionary unit. A well armed worker for example. But if you have a better idea go for it.

    Cities :
    Sao Paulo
    Salvador
    Sao Luis
    Belo Horizonte
    Fortaleza
    Brasilia
    Curitiba
    Manaus
    Recife
    Porto Alegre
    Belem
    Rio Branco
    Boa Vista
    Arcaju
    Natal
    Campo Grande
    Cuiaba
    Florianopolis
    Porto Velho
    Nova Iguacu
    Sao Goncalo
    Palmas
    Vitoria
    Teresina
     
  8. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    There are a couple of Brazilian people around. Maybe one of them will see this thread and come up with ideas.
     
  9. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    Just a couple of nitpicky spelling errors in the text you had quoted:

    Sherbroke should be Sherbrooke and Trois-Rivière should be Trois-Rivières. I would also add Jonquière and put Laval higher. :)
     
  10. Armed_Maniac

    Armed_Maniac Soldati

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    (EDIT) ooooh, mistakes in the text i quoted! lol, i though the text i wrote... i'll fix that and maybe tweak the order a bit...


    Also, what would be cool would be a mexican civ :) It was done for ACM in civ3... but i don't know any mexicans that have acutally lived in Mexico... so i don't know much about it. Hehe, the US would be in a big sandwich, Canada and Québec at top, mexico under, and lots of ocean on the sides :) But i think the guy is making ACM for civ4... so if we are patient we will have an awseome mod :)
     
  11. El Bajong

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    Regarding Ethiopia, as far as I know, Abyssinia is the western name for the country, not a local name. Aksum or Ethiopia would be better alternatives. I think Ethiopia would be the one to go for, as I cant imagine many people ever having heard of the Aksumite Empire...

    Leaders: (Not sure what traits the first two should be, but someone else have allready mentioned them I think)
    Emperor Menelik I (founder)
    Emperor Menelik II (stopped Italian attempt at colonization)
    Emperor Haile Selassie I, Religious and Organized (he did try unifying Africa)

    W.I.N.T.E.R: Which flag is that? All the Ethiopian flags I have seen have been variations on the green, yellow, red combination.
     
  12. ejdacanay

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    I'll Add Stuff :D

    Civilization: Philippines

    Leaders:

    Emilio Aguinaldo (The First President, declared independence in Philippines, Confident and Perfectionist(Philiosphical)
    Ferdinand E. Marcos (President for 20 years, Very Wise and Very Intelligent)
    Corazon C. Aquino (The First Female President, Cunning and Smart)
    Manuel Quezon (Famous Philippine President During World War 2)

    Great Scientists: Gregorio Zara, Pedro Escuro, Agapito Flores, Pedro Flores, Jose Rodriguez, Carmen Velasquez, Daniel Dingel, Fe del Mundo, Roberto del Rosario, Eduardo San Juan

    Heroes: Jose Rizal, Ferdinand Magellan, Gregorio Del Pilar, Tandang Sora, Andres Bonifacio, Marcelo Del Pilar, Apolinario Mabini, Lapu-Lapu, Gomburza

    Starting Techs: Agriculture & Hunting

    Flag Description: Two equal horizontal bands of blue (top) and red with a white equilateral triangle based on the hoist side; in the center of the triangle is a yellow sun with eight primary rays (each containing three individual rays) and in each corner of the triangle is a small yellow five-pointed star. Actual Flag: http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/g10.gif

    Unique Unit: Philippine Constabulary Rangers (The Philippine Constabulary Rangers, or PC Rangers, were independent light infantry companies which served as a counter-insurgency force similar to United States Army Rangers and were organized into 12 large regional companies.)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Constabulary

    Capital: Manila

    Cities: (Using Provinces, because there's too many Cities)

    Manila
    Cebu
    Agusan del Norte
    Albay
    Basilan
    Bataan
    Batangas
    Benguet
    Bohol
    Bukidnon
    Bulacan
    Cagayan
    Camarines Sur
    Capiz
    Cavite
    Cotabato
    Davao
    Davao del Sur
    Ilocos Norte
    Ilocos Sur
    Iloilo
    Isabela
    La Union
    Laguna
    Lanao del Norte
    Lanao del Sur
    Leyte province
    Maguindanao
    Masbate
    Misamis Occidental
    Misamis Oriental
    Negros Occidental
    Negros Oriental
    Nueva Ecija
    Oriental Mindoro
    Palawan Puerto
    Pampanga
    South Cotabato
    Zamboanga del Norte
    Zamboanga del Sur

    btw..i WILL give you a tip (cash) if you get this accomplished =D
     
  13. pertm

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    Here are some Norwegian people that should be included
    Edvard Munch(artist)
    Ole Bull(artist)
    Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson(artist)
    a-ha(artist) when Abba is in it why not
    Sissel Kyrkjebø(artist)

    Peder Wessel Tordenskjold(Prophet)
    All Norwegian except Tordenskjold who lived when Norway & Denamark was in union.
    Albert Nobel (Scientist / Engineer / Merchant) not sure

    Alesund should be written Aalesund or with Å
    Also Nidaros should be included, as cities it's an old name for Trondheim.
    Other cities from Norway
    Bergen
    Christiania - name for Oslo during the union with Denmark
    Fredrikstad
    Kongsberg
    Stavanger
    Haugesund
    Kristiansand
    Gjøvik
    Hammar
    Lillehamar
    Tromsø
    Bodø
    Molde

    Is the city listed as Aker a Norwegian city or from some of the other countries?
    That if it is from Norway and Brumundal and Ringerike are not cities of Norway. It would be easier to see if the cities are suitable if there was any indication of what country it is from.

    Leader: Knut the mighty, was king of Denmark, but ruled a lot I think it was large parts of England and more.
     
  14. W.i.n.t.e.r

    W.i.n.t.e.r Frozen!

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    I thought of an easy solution by taking the yellow star and the green background...
     
  15. Martinus

    Martinus Emperor

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    Good choices there, but I don't think Casimir should be Industrious and Philosophical, since it's the only trait combo left out due to being overpowered.

    I propose making him Industrious and Creative (culture).
     
  16. El Bajong

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    I see... I think the more "correct" thing to do in that case, would be to make it green, but put in the "Conquering Lion of Judah" symbol on it instead of the star. I suppose that could be a bit of a pain to create a graphic for though...



    The one with the star has only been in use since 1996 i think, while the other one was adopted in 1897 and used untill the fall of Haile Selassie I. Another way to do it would be to just use the colors of the plain tricolor, and nothing else. Is that possible? (I know virtually nothing about modding these games).
     
  17. GoSkins

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    A couple comments, and I will try to add some info.
    Ben Gurion should be financial or organized rather than spiritual. Of course any one of Israel's rulers could be considered spiritual because the nation and religion are almost one and the same, but Ben Gurion was a secular ruler.
    Golda Meir should neither be spiritual or favor pacifism. She was one of the toughest, masculine leaders of modern Israel. I wouldnt say aggressive though. Maybe give Ben Gurion the organized trait instead of spiritual, and Golda financial instead of spritual. Also, I would have golda favor bureaucracy.

    I dont think the great leaders are civ specific. They are randomly drawn from a list, so I wont go there now, but I can later if need be.

    Remove from city list:
    Tiberias - Roman city (if you decide to keep, you can also add Ceasarea)
    Bnei Barak - not really a city

    Add to city list:
    Akko
    Beit Shemesh
    Arad
    Jericho
    Bethlehem
    Dimona
    Ein Gedi
    Afula

    Typos: Eilat (not Elat), Rehovot (not Rshovot)
     
  18. matros

    matros Chieftain

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    Don't take this too seriously, I know Slovakia is not the greatest civ in the world, but I think it would be interesting to play a couple games as slovaks:)

    Civilization : Slovakia

    Leader : Milan Rastislav Stefanik, favors emancipation
    Svatopluk, favors hereditary rule
    Alexander Dubcek, favors free speech
    Matus Cak, favors serfdom

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Rastislav_Stefanik
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svätopluk
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Dubček
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matus_Cak

    Capital : Bratislava

    Flag : see here> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Slovakia_Coat_of_Arms.png

    Starting Techs : the wheel and agriculture

    Great Scientists : Jan Kollar, Stefan Banic, Jan Jesenius, Jozef Murgas

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Kollar
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Štefan_Banič
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Jesenius
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jozef_Murgaš

    Great Merchants : King Samo

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Samo

    Great Prophets : Sv. Cyril, Sv. Metod

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_(827-869)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Methodius

    Great Artists : Pavol Orszagh Hviezdoslav, Ludovit Stur, Paul of Levoca

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hviezdoslav
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludovit_Stur
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Paul_of_Levoča

    Great Engineers : Emery Roth

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emery_Roth

    Unique Unit : ???

    Cities :

    Bratislava
    Košice
    Prešov
    Nitra
    Žilina
    Banská Bystrica
    Trnava
    Martin
    Trenčín
    Poprad
    Prievidza
    Zvolen
    Nové Zámky
    Považská Bystrica
    Michalovce
    Spišská nová ves
    Komárno
    Levice
    Humenné
    Liptovský Mikuláš
    Bardejov
    Piešťany
    Ružomberok
    Topoľčany
    Lučenec
    Dubnica
    Partizánske
    Rimavská Sobota
    Šaľa
    Hlohovec
    Dunajská Streda
    Vranov
    Brezno
    Trebišov
    Pezinok
    Nové mesto
    Senica
    Snina
    Bánovce
    Žiar nad Hronom
    Dolný Kubín
    Rožňava
    Púchov
    Handlová
    Malacky
    Sereď
    Kežmarok
    Galanta
    Kysucké nové mesto
    Stará Ľubovňa
    Zlaté Moravce
    Detva
    Skalica
    Senec
    Veľký Krtíš
    Revúca
    Levoča
    Štúrovo
    Myjava
    Svidník
    Nová Dubnica
    Šamorín
    Bytča
    Sabinov
    Holíč
    Kolárovo
    Stará Turá
    Banská Štiavnica
    Stropkov
    Fiľakovo
     
  19. Tunch Khan

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    Added the cities and fixed the issues you brought up.
     
  20. Armed_Maniac

    Armed_Maniac Soldati

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    Cool... can't really make any other comments 'cause i hardly know the country though...

    Any mexicans here? We need a mexican civ... Or guatamala... ooooh, i'd love to conquer the world with colombia! (Or panama, that would be awseome, lol)
     

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