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Mobilistation

Discussion in 'Civ3 - General Discussions' started by sysyphus, Jun 7, 2002.

  1. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    Hopefully someone can help me with this.

    On the domestic advisor screen, underneath the government type is an option button labelled "mobilisation" which has two options "Normalcy" and "war-time".

    I can't find anything in the manual that sheds light on what this does. Am I missing the obvious or is everyone else as confused as I am on this?

    Any feedback would be appreciated.
     
  2. DaSilva

    DaSilva Everything Random

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    When you switch to war-time mobilisation you can only build military units.

    (ie. offensive/defensive units, harbours, barracks etc)
     
  3. Immortal

    Immortal Deity

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    additionally, each tile that produces shields will produce one extra shield per turn

    For example: Say you have a size 3 city that has 4 shields
    Tile one has 1 shield per turn
    Tile two has 2 shields per turn
    Tile three has 1 shield per turn

    Under mobilization, you city will produce 7 shields
    Tile one now produces 2 shields
    Tile two now produces 3 shields
    Tile three now produces 2 shields

    You cannot switch out of mobilization until you are at peace with all other nations. so if you do it in peacetime, you will have to declare war on someone then make peace to get out of mobilization.
     
  4. slothman

    slothman Emperor

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    You can continue to build buildings that are non-military but you can't start them. Also building don't receive the exrta shield, only units. At least in v 1.16.
     
  5. damunzy

    damunzy recovering former mod Retired Moderator

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    Same is true in v1.21. Also some units that you would think of as military are actually non-military....with Helicopters being one of them, I believe.
     
  6. mcdh

    mcdh Chieftain

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    I've never used mobilization. I read that it causes extra war weariness, and thus unhappy citizens. Is it worth the cost?

    Also, usually when I discover nationalism, I already have a decent army, and can fight the war with the productions of those several core cities.
     
  7. slothman

    slothman Emperor

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    I don't think it causes more war weariness but I believe it halves you culture output while in effect.
     
  8. akinkhoo

    akinkhoo Biotechnologist

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    i never (almost never) used mobilization.....

    because I need to acess civil building....
    usually I will have a large and/or modern army
    so mobilization only cause me problems....

    I only use them once to produce many
    battleship in a sea conquer game :rolleyes:

    I damn the game for providing naval power so late!
     
  9. bobgote

    bobgote Trousers

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    The mobilization is handy if you have a small military and need to make it big. Have no doubt there is cases where it's very useful. Also, i'm pretty sure it is in the manual too.
     
  10. FredLC

    FredLC A Lawyer as You Can See! Retired Moderator

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    I only see 2 situations where war mobilization is useful:

    1 - If you are sneak attacked and don't have enough forces to deal with it;

    2- If you have underestimated your enemy or had a real bad luck streak and your invading/defending army gets too hurt.

    Well, i think you can say that it's only useful when you unexpectedly needs quick reinforcements.
     
  11. Maple

    Maple Canadian Patriot

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    I only use mobilization in a few ways. If I have a civilization under my control, ie have their only city surrounded by my modern armor, I will declare war on them, mobilize, build a massive army, declare peace without any fighting, stop mobilization, and declare war on whoever I want with my massive army.

    Note: This only works if the OCCiv does not have any MPP's.
     
  12. Catt

    Catt Emperor

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    After seeing a lot of contradictory information about mobilization, I did a fair amount of experimentation with it -- and found in the processs that I didn't really know as much as I thought I did about mobilization.

    Here are the results:

    Fundamentals of Mobilization Revealed

    What is mobilization?
    After the discovery of Nationalism, you may elect to “mobilize” your economy for war. During a war-time economy, in any city building a military unit (but not a military improvement – more on this below), each tile being worked by a citizen that already produces at least one shield will produce an extra shield, substantially increasing production in that city.

    Sounds great. What are the downsides?
    During a war-time economy, your cities may only undertake building projects of military units or “militaristic” city improvements, with some limited exceptions (see below). Cities building non-militaristic units before the war-time mobilization may continue their non-military projects (without the shield bonus provided by mobilization), provided that, once such project is completed or is changed, the city will come under the same build restrictions as a city starting a project after the mobilization. Therefore, no new construction of temples, marketplaces, aqueducts, or a whole host of other city improvements is permitted after a mobilization. Also, during a war-time economy, each cultural improvement in each of your cities will generate only half of the cultural value it would normally produce. Finally, as noted more fully below, a war-time mobilization may not simply be abandoned by the player; a peace treaty must be signed with at least one AI civ (or an AI civ with whom you are at war must be destroyed) in order to return one’s economy back to a peace-time.

    How do I mobilize my economy for war?
    Click on the bar labeled “Mobilization” in the Domestic Advisor’s window (it appears just below the “Government” bar in the upper right portion of the screen, below your science and happiness tax sliders).

    Do I have to be at war to mobilize my economy, and how do I get back to a peace-time economy?
    You are free to mobilize your economy at any time after you discover Nationalism -- you need not be at war. But you cannot freely return your economy to a peace-time mobilization at your whim. Once mobilized for war, only a peace treaty or the elimination of your opponent will allow you to return your economy to a peace-time role. If you are at war with several civilizations, a peace treaty with any of them, or the destruction of any one of them, will cause you to revert to a peace-time economy, even if still at war with other powers.

    What constitutes a military unit or “militaristic” city improvement and therefore may be both (1) built, and (2) a shield-bonus-generating project, during a mobilization?
    Well, if only it were that simple. There are actually two distinct categories of build projects during a mobilization: 1) units / improvements which may be built; and 2) units which may be built and will generate a shield bonus during their production.

    The first category includes: (a) every unit with an attack / defense value or bombard value (ships, planes, artillery, missiles, and foot soldiers, including all UUs), (b) settlers, (c) workers, (d) scouts / explorers, (e) armies, (f) certain city improvements (see below), and (g) certain wonders (see below).

    The second category, those building projects which generate the shield bonus, is more restrictive and is limited to those units with an A/D value or a bombard value, but specifically excluding: (a) naval and air transports (galley, caravel, galleon, transport, helicopter), and (b) armies. Although an aircraft carrier might be considered by some as primarily a transport, it will generate a shield bonus. No city improvement or wonder of any kind will generate a shield bonus, even if it is a permitted building project during a mobilization. And no production of workers, settlers, or scouts / explorers will generate a shield bonus.

    What city improvements can I start during a mobilization (even if they don’t generate a shield bonus)?
    The following are all considered military improvements whose production may be started during a war-time mobilization: barracks, walls, SAM missile battery, coastal fortress, harbor, airport, and any of the spaceship parts.

    And what wonders can I start during a mobilization (even if they don’t generate a shield bonus)?
    The wonders (great and small) which may be started during a war-time mobilization are: The Great Wall, Sun Tzu’s Art of War, Leonardo’s Workshop, Universal Suffrage, The United Nations, The Manhattan Project, The Pentagon, Strategic Missile Defense, Intelligence Agency, and Battlefield Medicine. Note that it is permissible to build the spaceship parts if you have already completed the Apollo Program small wonder, but the wonder itself may not be started during a war-time economy. Note also that although you may start the Military Academy small wonder during a war-time mobilization, you may not start the Heroic Epic small wonder.

    SO . . . can you try and shorten this long-winded FAQ into a down & dirty summary?
    Yes. During a war-time mobilization, your cities that are producing attackers or defenders generate extra shields, so much so that they basically mimic a golden age in terms of production. If not producing attackers and defenders, your cities can only produce a limited number of units / city improvements (unless the project began before the mobilization), and they enjoy no production bonuses. You can mobilize for war at any time (even during peace), but you need to enter a peace treaty or destroy an AI civ to end a war-time mobilization.
     
  13. Maple

    Maple Canadian Patriot

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    Sounds and looks great! You should submit it to the strategy forum.
     
  14. FredLC

    FredLC A Lawyer as You Can See! Retired Moderator

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    Hahahahahaha... This OUGHT to be the funniest quote i ever seen.

    Good work :lol:

    regards :) .
     
  15. JFL_Dragon

    JFL_Dragon Civfanatics Staff

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    Fantastic Effort Catt

    That posting should be included in the War Academy:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
     
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    starshipacademy Chieftain

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    Great Article. Glad I found this site.
     
  19. sabo

    sabo My Ancestors were Vikings

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    I believe during mobilization your cities will still build improvements in your queue right??? So in theory if you don't want your whole country to have the negative affects of mobilization (i.e. cities just started or captured with no or very small amount of improvemets at the time) you can just load up these cities with improvements in the queue before changing to war-time mobilization, but then still get Mobilization's extra shield production in your core cities...

    Am I right or am I way off base here???
     
  20. SirJethro

    SirJethro Paterfamilias

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    Does mobilization affect war weariness in any way--good or bad?

    What if you mobile while still at peace...will you start accumulating weariness?
     

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