[MOD] Civ3 Evolution - Atlantean Chronicles

[Madeira]

Right but would the Krakatoa be near the coast before the sea levels rose?
Let me know what you find then

 

[Blue Monkey]

Right but would the Krakatoa be near the coast before the sea levels rose?
Let me know what you find then

I don't know what would be "close" for your purposes. Plus, there's no screenshot posted of Sundaland, so I don't know. If I had a screenshot I could mark the possibilities, keyed with names & dates, so you could decide.

 

[Madeira]

Do you want a screenshot of the map in the sundaland region? But why do you need it if the scenario starts after the volcano event and the destruction caused by it?

 

[Blue Monkey]

Do you want a screenshot of the map in the sundaland region? But why do you need it if the scenario starts after the volcano event and the destruction caused by it?

First Reason:

Right but would the Krakatoa be near the coast before the sea levels rose?

I don't know what would be "close" for your purposes.

I can get some idea of the "closeness" by comparing your map to maps I have of Sundaland & contemporary Indonesia.

Second Reason:

If I had a screenshot I could mark the possibilities, keyed with names & dates, so you could decide.

I can quickly mark the possible volcanoes on a copy of your screenshot, whether or not they would be in an ocean area by the time of the scenario, so you can see which would best suit your storyline.

 

[Balthasar]

Ahem.. This is a wonderfully conceived mod. Any luck on getting a unit maker to make a Woolly Mammoth yet?

 

[Madeira]

Blue Monkey: I used this image before from the atlan.org site:

it shows sundaland before the end of the ice age.

Balthasar: Thanks, it took me a long time to come up with a good storyline, I think it really makes it more interesting to play And unfortunately no, noone has offered to make the Mammoth unit, I would love to have some riderless animal units to be used as pre-placed barbarians, and later some war mammoths that were even bigger than war elephants Im sure this would have good uses in other mods too.

 

[Blue Monkey]

After careful consideration, this is the one you want.

The name is the Indonesian version of the name of the caldera lake. Read about the Toba Catastrophe, that almost wiped out humanity. It happened earlier than your ideal, but since the scenario is an AH, it could have happened later & would have the level of effect you're looking for. I think it's close enough to the coastline, wherever that falls.

Edit: If you want something that actually happened closer to the scenario start date the best candidates are in New Zealand.

 

[Madeira]

Thanks Blue, didnt know about that one, but from what I read its said that eruption may have caused an ice age, not the opposite
Anyway, the name and location of the volcano has no effect on the scenario itself, just the story that leads to the scenario start. Actually the scenario starts a few thousand yeaers after the eruption and end of the ice age.

 

[Blue Monkey]

Thanks Blue, didnt know about that one, but from what I read its said that eruption may have caused an ice age, not the opposite
Anyway, the name and location of the volcano has no effect on the scenario itself, just the story that leads to the scenario start. Actually the scenario starts a few thousand yeaers after the eruption and end of the ice age.

My original point was really that Krakatoa (which also caused a cooling period) is so famous that it would be better to use another name for a supervolcano in another era. The choice, of course, is yours.

 

[Madeira]

I see your point. Do you have anything massive that occured around 12000 years ago then? You mentioned New Zealand

 

[Madeira]

Blue, I'll follow your sugestion and use Lake Taupo in New Zealand instead, it seems its actually the world's most dangerous volcano.

 

[Madeira]

Im requesting some opinions:

1. Some civs like the Atlanteans and other well known ancient civs will start with a number of pre placed cities, but what about civs that only evolved later? Especially the more nomadic or barbaric kind like the Celts. Should they only start with a single city and be allowed to build settlers up to a point or be given 3 or 4 cities as well so they start with a strong presence around their starting location?

2. The Hellenes have Mycenae as their capital, not Athens, should the Hesperians (who represent both etruscans and romans) use an Etruscan capital (which one I dont know right now) instead of Rome?

3. Should the civs we consider more barbaric in nature, like the Celts, Norse and others, have a barbaric flavour that will give them some bonuses mainly in offensive units and deny them access to certain technologies that allow the construction of buildings that were usually built by more cultured civilizations, like Aqueducts and Amphitheaters?

 

[Blue Monkey]

1 - If they're meant to represent nomads, why not give them a few settlers, but then not let them build any?

2 - Yes. Or give them Troy.

3 - Yes.

 

[Madeira]

Thanks Blue. I've thought about giving them Troy in the past, but then they would end up with cities in italy and asia minor, strange start. Are the Etruscans pre or post Troy?

 

[Blue Monkey]

Are the Etruscans pre or post Troy?

Depends on which Troy & what you mean by Etruscan. The Etruscans are indigenous to the Italian peninsula. Who do you want to believe about Troy's founding?

 

[Madeira]

Hehe, the Trojans are said to be ancestors of the Romans, but not Etruscans of course, they were allready there when Rome was founded. From what I read, a Hesperian prince, Dardannus, founded a settlement in the region of Troy, Dardania. That article was actually where I got the name Hesperia in the first place, most believe it refered to Italy I think. Later Dardannus descendants would found Troy, and Rome after Troy's final destruction.

 

[Madeira]

I havent had time to read this yet, but I find this interesting:
http://phdamste.tripod.com/trojan.html

It concerns the location of Troy in England

 

[Blue Monkey]

I havent had time to read this yet, but I find this interesting:
http://phdamste.tripod.com/trojan.html

It concerns the location of Troy in England

That's patently false since, as everyone knows, Britain was founded by the Lost Tribes.

 

[Madeira]

LOL, lost tribes from where?

 

[Blue Monkey]

Ten places.