Modern Communist Parties.
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Originally posted by NY Hoya
Wow, I sure am glad you and CornMaster are Canadians.CornMaster, you haven't become a citizen yet have you?
Yes...I'm an American citizen.
Birthright.
I didn't want it...but it would be moronic to give it up. Never know what the future might hold. Cretien might seize total power and use the massive Canadian army to force the people into slave labor medical research camps and try and develop a cure for his half paralized face....in which case I'd like to stay in the US. Of course I like Cretien, and the Liberal government. So don't take my joke as a hatred of them.
Pellaken
The one and only.
Originally posted by NY Hoya
Wow, I sure am glad you and CornMaster are Canadians.
so you support the rape of people by businesses.
Originally posted by CornMaster
Yes...I'm an American citizen.
Birthright.
Of course I like Cretien, and the Liberal government. So don't take my joke as a hatred of them.
Obviously someone forgot to tell you about the mandatory capitalism brainwashing classes that all US citizens have to take.
Must have something to do with that sig
Originally posted by NY Hoya
yep, if that's what you call what goes on here. Rape away businesses, rape away...
Yeah...I just got a damn used printer from Walmart that doesn't work!
Bastards!
Whiskey Priest
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Alot of assumptions are being made about what motivates people when we talk along these lines. I know it is common sense to sya that people only for money but it is incorrect. As I said in a similar post rewards can actually decrease peoples willingness to work. Its in my texbook of my motivational psych class and I am hurriedly trying to find a link to the journal.
Here is one, i'll try and find some more.
http://www.oncourseworkshop.com/Motivation004.htm
Here is one, i'll try and find some more.
http://www.oncourseworkshop.com/Motivation004.htm
Pellaken
The one and only.
Originally posted by NY Hoya
I'm certainly enjoying your plight, but it would have been better if you were a poor oppressed third world citizen....
if we were all poor, and sourounded by poor, (like in ethopia) then we'd have no money, and therefore, little to argue over. ever notice how they are so happy there? perhaps someone should capmaign on that "if I get elected, we'll give all out stuff to Afganistan, so we will be poor and happy"
Greadius
:yeah:
Try that experiment over a lifetime
Children don't play when paid! Down with Capitalism!
I know when I worked I worked for MONEY. I volunteered to make myself feel good. This study completely blurrs the lines between doing someone a favor, a feel good activity, and work.
I'll do work if someone asks me because they need help, and I'll refuse to be paid for it. I'll volunteer for charities because they need it, I wouldn't do it if they paid me because it is crappy work; I'd consider it demeaning.
Not to mention feel-good activities don't put food on the table. Try that experiment on a farm, and if they don't work they'll starve... now that is motivation.
Originally posted by Pellaken
if we were all poor, and sourounded by poor, (like in ethopia) then we'd have no money, and therefore, little to argue over. ever notice how they are so happy there? perhaps someone should capmaign on that "if I get elected, we'll give all out stuff to Afganistan, so we will be poor and happy"
Yes, I always think of starving Africans as the posterchildren of happiness
You should move here and start a starving Ethiopian party so we can see how much support the idea hasWhiskey Priest
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"Similar results have been obtained in several studies using different subject populations (children, adolescents, adults), types of rewards (monetary, social) and target activities."
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Are you doing anything Wednesday afternoon? There's a certain Austrian carpet chewing house painter who'd love for you to become intimately acquainted with his sickle...
As a comeback line, Davey-baby, about .0001 out of 10.
I'm not seeking to persuade you. That's what these lovely burly gentlemen from the Geheime Stats Polizei are here to do with those electrical wires.
Time and bitter experience will do the persuading for you. At the moment, you know utterly for sure that you are right, and that everyone who disagrees is just a heartless, willful, ignorant, bastard who can't see the beautiful truth of equality, the glory of heroic Che Guevara and the simple fact that I KNOW EVERYTHING AND THE ANSWERS TO THE UNIVERSE AND THESE QUESTIONS OF EXISTENCE THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF HUMANITY IN EVERY EPOCH!
Why can't these capitalists see that the world really is how I think it to be?
Remember, Comrade, I was once you, so I know exactly how your teenage idealistic commie thoughts operate. I have been there and done that, and find myself mouthing along with the replies put out by yourself and the Canadian Master of Corn in such a well intentioned way."And we fight for new ideas and ideals. We are the ones that will shape the future....whether we succeed or fail....we are the future."
What a beautiful, meaningless, incorrect cliche. Communism is a static ideology of the past; it does not fit in with modern economic reality or conditions. The proletariat is changing and shrinking. They don't want to revolt and take control of the means of production; they want to become petit-bourgeoisie, and enjoy the benefits of capitalist society.
The plight of the oppressed carrot farmers in Uruguay does not arouse feelings of righteous indignation and pledges of solidarity unto death, only a grunt as they read it in their paper. Unions are declining.
THE WORLD IS CHANGING. It is no longer 1848, nor 1871, nor 1917 nor even Paris in 1968. It is a brave new world out there, and communism ain't in it.
Your beloved Cuba is a basket case that will not survive the coming death of Castro. In racing parlance, the past form of the runners from this stable does not inspire confidence in the Great Trainer Karl. No one is taking a punt on Communism for a very good reason. It didn't work.
But, it appeals to the young and the rebellious, who think they know everything about the world, and who desparately seek a system of black and white to give them some certainty to cling to in times of personal change.
So, me dear dilettantes, keep the red flag flying there.
Because nobody else will.
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Originally posted by CornMaster
I think that was a pretty good post Whiskey Priest. Breaks it down for us.
But what I hate is people like CurtSibling who although post funny polls,
What I hate, oh cornish one, is overwrought Canadians trying to
Profile people they don't even know, don't even go there, bucko!
I do know the difference between voting model and en economic
model, and what is a good idea in concept does not always come
To pass when the people come to power.
The brave Bolsheviks may have killed the nasty Tzar and his
children gloriously, but the people were much happier when
Nice Mr Stalin came to power, eh?
Cornmaster, what you fail to see is that I am speaking on behalf
Of the one thing all of you armchair politicos are forgetting...
The people.
I your headlong rush to prove yourselves the top communist, you
Are forgetting the suffering of the millions who have died under
Communist regimes, it's unacceptable, thats why I can't stand
Communism, or politics for that matter.
Fools argue over minutiae, while people die, or are locked up for
Being artists, or writers or even having the kind of discussion we
are having now.
It this what you people want? I seriously doubt it.
Spend some time reading up on the atrocities carried out by
Communist governments, the come back and see if your enthusiasm for communism still exists.
Screw politics...
Think people and the human cost.
And screw anyone who thinks otherwise.
Pellaken
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Originally posted by CurtSibling
Screw politics...
Think people and the human cost.
And screw anyone who thinks otherwise.
yes... the human cost. this is why I am proud NOT to be american. NOT to have to live in a country where capatilist companies can get away with murder. and NO, thats NOT an expression. if it costs 5 cents to make a life saving drug, yet they sell it for $5 a shot, do you think that Mr.Pooranddieing will be able to aford it? only Mr.Rich will be able to. THIS is why I am a socalist. the human cost. EVERYONE has a right to live in a safe, secure, country, that promotes equality. that is what I belive, and I'm sorry if you think otherwise.
roadwarrior
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"yes... the human cost. this is why I am proud NOT to be american. NOT to have to live in a country where capatilist companies can get away with murder. and NO, thats NOT an expression. if it costs 5 cents to make a life saving drug, yet they sell it for $5 a shot, do you think that Mr.Pooranddieing will be able to aford it? only Mr.Rich will be able to. THIS is why I am a socalist. the human cost. EVERYONE has a right to live in a safe, secure, country, that promotes equality. that is what I belive, and I'm sorry if you think otherwise."
well, that would be explained by something called the free market...
supply and demand and all that good stuff
And while you are speaking of the human cost, what would happen to the pharmaceutical companies if they sold that low? They would not be able to support the extensive R&D that they do now, and all the money they pour into research for new drugs to help poeople would be gone. How does that help the general population? And don't say the government would handle it. Government research is not anywhere near the same speed or quality that private companies have.
But i understand your point about wanting to help out the poorer people who cant afford medicine etc. I just disagree with your solution
well, that would be explained by something called the free market...
supply and demand and all that good stuff
And while you are speaking of the human cost, what would happen to the pharmaceutical companies if they sold that low? They would not be able to support the extensive R&D that they do now, and all the money they pour into research for new drugs to help poeople would be gone. How does that help the general population? And don't say the government would handle it. Government research is not anywhere near the same speed or quality that private companies have.
But i understand your point about wanting to help out the poorer people who cant afford medicine etc. I just disagree with your solution
I hate being called names. But lets lay that asside for now.
I profiled you based on your response to the post. And your new post just re-affirms it.
Now...there is no argurment there.
That is why we attempt to educate the people.
And you...in your swift defence of capitalism...(or democracy?) you forget the millions that have died from big business, and trade embargos, and the millions of people kept in poverty world wide.
Capitalism benifits off the back of the working man. That is UNDENIABLE! Therefore, I consider it a bad system. Communism pools everybodies work, to create equality and a balance.
Again...that has to do with Freedoms......not economy. And essentially the Dictator vs the Government.
As I said before....I would take a step down if everone else would get a step up. I mean what does my family need with 4 cars? 4 computers and 3 TV's? The whole commericalism of Capitalism is engrained into the youth of this nation. And it's not a good thing.
Again....your talking government actions. Although absolute Dictatorships are an effective way to run....as in no arguement over what to do, they essentially leave the people at the wim of the leader. And if said leader is an *******....then that's bad for the people. When a government forces the people to conforming in one direction (like communism) they they are bound to resist. Just like Americans resist more government control of the economy.
Screw politics...
Think people and the human cost.
And screw anyone who thinks otherwise.
What do you think I think about constantally?
How can I better the world. How can I stop the killing and deaths of millions of people daily!
My thoughts are crowded with solutions, and proposals....none of which will work because I'm only one man.....but one man with a dream. And hopefully I will achieve something great in my life time, for the Communism/Socialist movement.
Greadius
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If not for those capitalist companies, they would be dead anyway. At least they have a chance.
If Mr. Pooranddieing works an hour at a minimum wage job, yes
And the 5 cents is only to MAKE. Its the R&D that costs the drug companies so much. There are dozens of more profitable industries out there.
Does everyone have a right to live in a country that minds its own business too?
Poverty is now the result of capitalism? It just never ceases to amaze me how many ancient evils of humanity are caused by a relatively new economic system. Prostitution, murder, starvation, inequality...The fact that all of those were institutionalized in mass scale in all Communists societies that have existed is beside the point I suppose.
Right, I keep forgetting... they just didn't do it right.
Do the words economic freedom mean anything to you? Like I have the right to deciminate what I do with the fruits of my labor?
4 cars?? 4 computers?? 3 TV's?? You don't sound like you're suffering... As compared to Communist nations where 8 people had 1 car, 1 TV, and comp-what?
Oh, thats right, they just didn't do it right...
Sell your 4 cars, 4 computers, and 3 TV's and give the money to charity.
Then get a big paying job and give away as much money as you can while living a life of poverty, setting the example for dozens of others to follow.
Bill Gates is the biggest philanthropist in the world. He said he would gladly give away more money if there were more programs that helped people get a leg up instead of subsidized their poverty. Create one of those programs; take some of his money.
Write the engravement on the tombstone?
I don't suffer.
I have a nice life.
But I'm not thinking about myself. (Which some of you just can't get past your own egos)
I'm thinking about the millions of people that have nothing. And suffer because of Capitalism. Sweatshops anyone?
How can you so easily ignore them....
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
We don't ignore them. We still care. We just head towards the goal of helping and aiding them by different paths, that we tred for extremely valid reasons. I know for sure that your care for these individuals is genuine; I can remember myself speaking virtually these words to ...someone... a long time ago. So long ago...
All that I ask that you consider is the possibility that other people can be right too, and most heinously of all, that you may be wrong.
Marxism encourages self-analysis and thinking on the correct lines of your arguments.
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