Modern Communist Parties.

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
We don't ignore them. We still care. We just head towards the goal of helping and aiding them by different paths, that we tred for extremely valid reasons. I know for sure that your care for these individuals is genuine; I can remember myself speaking virtually these words to ...someone... a long time ago. So long ago...
All that I ask that you consider is the possibility that other people can be right too, and most heinously of all, that you may be wrong.
Marxism encourages self-analysis and thinking on the correct lines of your arguments.

Wow...that was one of the most insightful things I've hear you say. :)

And your right. Communism may not be the answer. But the current system isn't either.

Change is needed. Why don't the Capitalist propose a way to make everyone on near footing? Instead of attacking the Communist because you dislike government economic control, why don't you propose some aid plan or anything to help out?

If you genuinely feel for these people, THAT should we what your doing. Not arguing with me, but proposing Capitalist solutions!

Come on now people *que ralling cry* We can do this!
 
Originally posted by CornMaster


Wow...that was one of the most insightful things I've hear you say. :)

And your right. Communism may not be the answer. But the current system isn't either.

Change is needed. Why don't the Capitalist propose a way to make everyone on near footing? Instead of attacking the Communist because you dislike government economic control, why don't you propose some aid plan or anything to help out?

If you genuinely feel for these people, THAT should we what your doing. Not arguing with me, but proposing Capitalist solutions!

Come on now people *que ralling cry* We can do this!

There have been plenty of others of insightful and horrifically candid remarks, but you may not have noticed them. ;)

Such a change, and such a way is one that is complicated in the extreme. Personally, I've got no major hangup about government intervention in the economy (I'm right wing in other ways ;)), so some sort of aid does not bother me. It would have to involve helping them learn to help themselves, and therefore better their lot in life, rather than a Robin Hood solution, which helps neither. And the only framework to execute this plan in is a "benevolent" global fascist dictatorship. :D Or one of the frameworks.

For so long, I spent my life and time trying to find the big solutions to these big problems. I didn't make an earth shattering discoveries.
I found out that one man can do some good, even in small ways. And that all adds up to something.
It may not leap out off the pages of the history book, and the good that men do is oft forgotten, and their deeds of ill remain strong in the memory.

So, what can be done right now, at 0331 on an Adelaide morning, with Darkshade typing evilly away whilst listening to "Ridiculous Thoughts"?
Well, thoughts should be thought. Ones that may be ridiculous and improbable at the moment, but that are the end goal.
Then, we do more thinking. We reverse engineer them from the end goal to where we are now. We do it with a ruthless realism, untouched by ideology or personal desire and preference. Out of this should come some things that can be done at the moment.
Change from below is notoriously slow; to get something to work, you have to be in a position to influence the workings of society itself.
This does not mean overthrowing a government, or joining the Klan or the Communist Resistance, or even going into politics as a show pony, but rather getting to where society really operates; the backrooms, the boardrooms, the schoolrooms.
If you get access to the right minds in the right age bracket, you can influence the way society travels as a whole.
That is just one thought to start off with.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm simply trying to nudge your thinking in a different direction, just to help. If you keep things at the basic issues, no one can fault you, or your motives. The minute you go and mention "communism", the ingrained perceptions of people will kick in.
These go deep inside people, and with good reason. They turn them off the whole process, and make them view it in a different manner.

Whereas, if you do not label your self with an "ism", and all its associated baggage, then people will have to debate your ideas and suggestions on their merits. It may be that "communism" or some other "ism" runs really concurrent and similar to what you believe at the moment. But, life has its little ways of suprising you with how it changes you. I'm not saying you will change away, but as you progress onwards, your views will develop and change just as a matter of course.
"Isms" appeal to the young, and to everyone who is looking for SOMETHING, as they provide a meaning and a framework; they provide an IDENTITY. You can stand up and say "I am this. This is what I believe in". They provide simple, clear answers of the type we want to hear: "This is what is wrong with the world, and here is the solution. This is what you must do, and you will be rewarded"

They have all the answers.
Unfortunately, they don't have them all.

I don't have all the answers, or the solutions. Me, I'm just your typical atypical f*cked up human being trying to find their path and purpose in the mystery that is life. There are reasons why these problems haven't been solved yet, and we are not living happilly ever after. We dwell in a flawed, f*cked up world, but desire a better.
In the end, we do what we can in what little time we have.
 
Are you doing anything Wednesday afternoon? There's a certain Austrian carpet chewing house painter who'd love for you to become intimately acquainted with his sickle...

As a comeback line, Davey-baby, about .0001 out of 10.
I'm not seeking to persuade you. That's what these lovely burly gentlemen from the Geheime Stats Polizei are here to do with those electrical wires.

Time and bitter experience will do the persuading for you. At the moment, you know utterly for sure that you are right, and that everyone who disagrees is just a heartless, willful, ignorant, bastard who can't see the beautiful truth of equality, the glory of heroic Che Guevara and the simple fact that I KNOW EVERYTHING AND THE ANSWERS TO THE UNIVERSE AND THESE QUESTIONS OF EXISTENCE THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF HUMANITY IN EVERY EPOCH!
Why can't these capitalists see that the world really is how I think it to be?

Remember, Comrade, I was once you, so I know exactly how your teenage idealistic commie thoughts operate. I have been there and done that, and find myself mouthing along with the replies put out by yourself and the Canadian Master of Corn in such a well intentioned way.

"And we fight for new ideas and ideals. We are the ones that will shape the future....whether we succeed or fail....we are the future."

What a beautiful, meaningless, incorrect cliche. Communism is a static ideology of the past; it does not fit in with modern economic reality or conditions. The proletariat is changing and shrinking. They don't want to revolt and take control of the means of production; they want to become petit-bourgeoisie, and enjoy the benefits of capitalist society.
The plight of the oppressed carrot farmers in Uruguay does not arouse feelings of righteous indignation and pledges of solidarity unto death, only a grunt as they read it in their paper. Unions are declining.
THE WORLD IS CHANGING. It is no longer 1848, nor 1871, nor 1917 nor even Paris in 1968. It is a brave new world out there, and communism ain't in it.
Your beloved Cuba is a basket case that will not survive the coming death of Castro. In racing parlance, the past form of the runners from this stable does not inspire confidence in the Great Trainer Karl. No one is taking a punt on Communism for a very good reason. It didn't work.

But, it appeals to the young and the rebellious, who think they know everything about the world, and who desparately seek a system of black and white to give them some certainty to cling to in times of personal change.

So, me dear dilettantes, keep the red flag flying there.
Because nobody else will.

Just who are you trying to persude?
 
Originally posted by CornMaster
Change is needed. Why don't the Capitalist propose a way to make everyone on near footing?
Uhm... I don't want everyone to be on near footing. I don't mind society having a discrepancy between rich and poor. I believe in limited, social, safety nets; and as much educational oppertunity as economically feasable.
Then I want the poor to have things like... 3 meals a day, four walls, electricity, cable TV, a car...
Wait... they already do. Who are we trying to save again?

Originally posted by ComradeDavo
Just who are you trying to persude?
He persuaded me. Where do I sign up for benevolent fascism?

Wait, this isn't another ploy to get me into the Republican party, is it?:cringe:
 
Originally posted by Greadius
Wait, this isn't another ploy to get me into the Republican party, is it?:cringe:


don't try to stop it, you know it's gonna happen eventually:p
 
He persuaded me. Where do I sign up for benevolent fascism?

I do not see why people like you and simon feel the need to write several paragraphs of disagreement everytime someone express there support for communism.

Remember, Comrade, I was once you, so I know exactly how your teenage idealistic commie thoughts operate.

I servely doubt that. If so, would you wish to elaborate how exactly I think?
 
Originally posted by CornMaster


I hate being called names. But lets lay that asside for now.

I profiled you based on your response to the post. And your new post just re-affirms it.


Whoa there, Corn!

I don't recall calling you any names!
I said you were overwrought, meaning you were getting stressed,
And being called a Canadian is a compliment not a slander!

Anyhow...I'll have to put this in 'big text' to get people to understand;

Ahem.

I said SCREW POLITICS!
I ALSO DON'T RECALL DEFENDING CAPITALISM AND BIG BUSINESS,
I MERELY SAID TRADE DOES HAVE THE UPPER HAND.

Does this mean I condone Nike and McDonald's abuse of the
planet and humanity in general? OF COURSE NOT! JEEZO!

I merely said that communism has mainy failings when in the
hands of greedy men...as does democracy.

I support the people, do you understand?

Doesn't matter if it's a Senate or Supreme Soviet, the men in suits
still screw over all of us...

POLITICS AND CORRUPTION GO HAND IN HAND!

PS
Cornmaster, I am suprised you thought I had been disrespectful,
you are one of the posters on CFC that I consider to be intelligent.

:(
 
Originally posted by Curt Sibling
I said SCREW POLITICS!
I ALSO DON'T RECALL DEFENDING CAPITALISM AND BIG BUSINESS,
I MERELY SAID TRADE DOES HAVE THE UPPER HAND.

Does this mean I condone Nike and McDonald's abuse of the
planet and humanity in general? OF COURSE NOT! JEEZO!

I merely said that communism has mainy failings when in the
hands of greedy men...as does democracy.

I support the people, do you understand?

Doesn't matter if it's a Senate or Supreme Soviet, the men in suits
still screw over all of us...

POLITICS AND CORRUPTION GO HAND IN HAND!
Nice thing to read. :goodjob:

So sad that most people simply don't get it. :(
 
Originally posted by Hitro

Nice thing to read. :goodjob:

So sad that most people simply don't get it. :(

Hitro, don't I know it!

I wish people would see beyond the empty political power trip...

:crazyeye:
 
Originally posted by ComradeDavo
Just who are you trying to persude?

The lights are on, but nobody's home, it seems. It specifically says that "I am not seeking to persuade you." That seems fairly clear to me.

Greadius, you may sign up for benevolent fascism with that suspicious looking man in the black overcoat on the corner of your street who keeps talking into his sleeve. And no, it isn't a Republican feeder ticket.
They are far too left wing for our tastes. :D

"I do not see why people like you and simon feel the need to write several paragraphs of disagreement everytime someone express there support for communism."

I can't speak for the other fellow, at least until his indoctrination is complete, but I keep it to several paragraphs because if I wrote few dozen pages, I probably lose you along the way.

"I servely doubt that. If so, would you wish to elaborate how exactly I think?"

I don't really think you want me revealing your thought processes in public. :p As per usual. Subtlety, reason, empathy - they all go over your head, do they :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by CornMaster


What's the name calling I was refering to.
:)

In the name of Sid...:crazyeye:

I was using the word 'cornish' as a descriptive based on 'cornmaster'.

In the same way I could be reffered to as the 'acelike one'.

When I call people names I sue terms like 'oaf' and 'spazmonger'.

:goodjob:
 
Me old Davo,

What the evil one means is he was young once,
and had dreams of soviet world domination.

Now, Mr Darkshade has grown up.

He has dreams of fascist world domination.


Simple!
:lol:
 
Curt is along the right lines.

The answer is not one that can be given. You have got to figure it out for yourself. Try and think outside the square, and outside the literal, my dear little boy, and you will approach the answer.
 
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