mlinneak
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Ok, Asaf, thanks - playing 10 now, will post shortly and you will be able to pick it up tomorrow.
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mlinneak
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620 AD - 820 AD
Switch Furry Cow to Library
Move units towards Nobamba, healing as needed
Seoul - HA -> Lighthouse
Judaism spreads to our lands - we do not convert at this time
Cowville - Worker -> Settler
700 AD - Great Library BIFL, Roosevelt kicks off a Golden Age
Saladin offers us this deal
I accept. Everyone else has both HRB and Currency and it was almost an even trade.
I set Code of Laws for courthouses to help our finances
Hinduism has spread to us as well, we still do not convert
Seoul - Lighthouse -> Archer for cheap MP
Copper Town - Archer -> Archer
Seoul - Archer -> Market
820 AD we are not cultured
Nobamba is ours, and Shaka is no more!
The French got that nice wheat spot before we were able to not sure now what we will want to do with that settler.
Some units remain unmoved still I think this turn. Hopefully now that the war is over as well and our units can chill out in our home territory we will save a little on maintenance.
The save ~
Switch Furry Cow to Library
Move units towards Nobamba, healing as needed
Seoul - HA -> Lighthouse
Judaism spreads to our lands - we do not convert at this time
Cowville - Worker -> Settler
700 AD - Great Library BIFL, Roosevelt kicks off a Golden Age
Saladin offers us this deal
I accept. Everyone else has both HRB and Currency and it was almost an even trade.
I set Code of Laws for courthouses to help our finances
Hinduism has spread to us as well, we still do not convert
Seoul - Lighthouse -> Archer for cheap MP
Copper Town - Archer -> Archer
Seoul - Archer -> Market
820 AD we are not cultured
Nobamba is ours, and Shaka is no more!
The French got that nice wheat spot before we were able to
not sure now what we will want to do with that settler.Some units remain unmoved still I think this turn. Hopefully now that the war is over as well and our units can chill out in our home territory we will save a little on maintenance.
The save ~
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Looks good, mlinneak 
I will be able to watch the save this evening.
So, the next thing obviously is to build up economy and research.
Where should we found our next city? Any thoughts on this?
BTW, regarding cultural - we now have 3 religions in our lands (if I remember correctly), and in a small map we only need 2 temples per cathedral (it's like that in BTS, pretty sure it's the same here). I know we don't have any wonders yet, and we're behind in tech, but...
Just a thought.
So... do we want to start war with anyone else now, and buildup some more military?
I'll post more coherent and detailed thoughts after I look at the save.
I will be able to watch the save this evening.
So, the next thing obviously is to build up economy and research.
Where should we found our next city? Any thoughts on this?
BTW, regarding cultural - we now have 3 religions in our lands (if I remember correctly), and in a small map we only need 2 temples per cathedral (it's like that in BTS, pretty sure it's the same here). I know we don't have any wonders yet, and we're behind in tech, but...
Just a thought.So... do we want to start war with anyone else now, and buildup some more military?
I'll post more coherent and detailed thoughts after I look at the save.
cripp7
Playin' Bored
we have enough 
to run 100%, hire 2 scientist in Seoul, we need that ademy bad. also, I don't know if it's just my pc, why can't we build monuments?
We can settle on the spice to grab the whale (<Optics) otherwise not sure. Once iron is hooked up we can trade copper for whatever.
True only 2 temples, need Meditation & Music. Lib would be nice for FR to go
victory.
to run 100%, hire 2 scientist in Seoul, we need that ademy bad. also, I don't know if it's just my pc, why can't we build monuments?We can settle on the spice to grab the whale (<Optics) otherwise not sure. Once iron is hooked up we can trade copper for whatever.
True only 2 temples, need Meditation & Music. Lib would be nice for FR to go
victory.
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we have enough
Will do.
cripp7 said:
Do we have calendar? In warlords it is obsolete with calendar, not astronomy.
Actually, do we even have mysticism?
FR and FS.cripp7 said:True only 2 temples, need Meditation & Music. Lib would be nice for FR to go
I have only recently started playing BTS, and my one victory there (for now) was a cultural one.
Apparently in BTS it is better to have a state
because of the sistine chapel changes (but I'm sure you already know that 
).In our case FR is definitely better for
victory.I'm not sure yet about whether we should go for it though. Will look at the save. Need to see if anyone else has music or liberalism (for the GA and free tech), or if we have a shot at sistine.
I want to hear your opinions before we commit to this. If we go for
, I'll press on missionaries and temples. If not - I'll try building up some more military.
mlinneak
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We do have Mysticism, I was being prompted to research Meditation.
We do have Calendar, I started building a couple of plantations.
We do have Calendar, I started building a couple of plantations.
cripp7
Playin' Bored
yes we do have calendar and mysticism.
FR and FS.
I have only recently started playing BTS, and my one victory there (for now) was a cultural one.
Apparently in BTS it is better to have a state
In our case FR is definitely better for
I'm not sure yet about whether we should go for it though. Will look at the save. Need to see if anyone else has music or liberalism (for the GA and free tech), or if we have a shot at sistine.
I want to hear your opinions before we commit to this. If we go for
roosy is the closest to music, he has lit. Louis has LBs so our HAs would need a lot of cats for damage.
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Looking at the save...
It looks like Roosy already has music (we wouldn't see it), since he popped a great artist not too long ago (and used it for his golden age).
And we are very behind in tech, and 2 rivals already have theology... I don't think cultural is viable.
On the other hand, war against napo is far from easy, at least ATM.
I'll work on infrastructure and we'll see the stats in 10 turns. I think this is what we should do now anyway.
It looks like Roosy already has music (we wouldn't see it), since he popped a great artist not too long ago (and used it for his golden age).
And we are very behind in tech, and 2 rivals already have theology... I don't think cultural is viable.
On the other hand, war against napo is far from easy, at least ATM.
I'll work on infrastructure and we'll see the stats in 10 turns. I think this is what we should do now anyway.
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820 AD (IHT) -
Going for deficit research at 100% (-57gpt). CoL in 3.
Looking for trades... none available.
Moved some units into western cities.
Sending warrior back to scout Napo's territory and beyond.
IBT - Napo switch to vassalage, but doesn't have 'enough on our hands' excuse. He has worse enemies than us. Fingers crossed
840 AD (1) - Units moving, workers working. Dye connected (I think dye was last turn).
IBT - Notre Dam was BIFAL.
860 AD (2) - Uh oh...
Napo wants 100 gold. I don't think we're in a position to refuse, so I give him what he wants. He's still cautious with us (at +3).
Some french garrison scouting:
IBT - Saladin declared on Augustus.
880 AD (3) -
Col -> Metal casting (those forges would come in handy).
Copper town: Archer -> Library.
Cowville: Settler -> Market.
Furry cow borders expanded.
Didn't switch to caste system (won't help us now), but we'll see if it's relevant later (Ulundi has the potential to be an excellent GP farm).
I sell CoL to saladin for 1000 gold and to augustus for 60 gold to enable us to keep research, and Napo and Roosy already have them, and I guess they'll have them soon. Better make something out of it when we still can. Research is down to 50% (at -14 gpt). Metal casting in 9.
I start moving the settler to the north like cripp7 suggested (I can't see any other reasonable location either).
Augustus sent an archer to scout our lands.
Some more french garrison scouting:
IBT - Hagia Sofia BIFAL.
900 AD (4) - Fur and pigs connected.
And some more french garrison scouting:
920 AD (5) - Ulundi borders popped.
And some more french garrison scouting:
IBT - Colossus BIFAL.
940 AD (6) -
OH! I must be
! I forgot to hire scientist specialists in Seoul! Done.
That shaved a turn of MC, but market is up to 4.
Settler is on the spice with a chariot, and an archer on its way, but I'm waiting for now. It'll only cost us more, and we might come up with a better use for it.
Iron is connected! We can start build swords in Seoul once the market is done (and maybe a forge).
French scouting:
IBT - Augustus offers spice for one of our horses. I turn him down for now (no point in getting "traded with our worst enemy" and we don't need the happy now. We can also get spices by settling...).
960 AD (7) - nothing much. Some more scouting:
980 AD (8) -
1000 AD (9) - Seoul : Market -> Swordsman.
Looks like a good year to stop.
Map:
All in all a boring set of turns.
Save: View attachment Charming AD-1000.CivWarlordsSave
Going for deficit research at 100% (-57gpt). CoL in 3.
Looking for trades... none available.
Moved some units into western cities.
Sending warrior back to scout Napo's territory and beyond.
IBT - Napo switch to vassalage, but doesn't have 'enough on our hands' excuse. He has worse enemies than us. Fingers crossed
840 AD (1) - Units moving, workers working. Dye connected (I think dye was last turn).
IBT - Notre Dam was BIFAL.
860 AD (2) - Uh oh...
Spoiler :
Napo wants 100 gold. I don't think we're in a position to refuse, so I give him what he wants. He's still cautious with us (at +3).
Some french garrison scouting:
Spoiler :
IBT - Saladin declared on Augustus.
880 AD (3) -
Spoiler :
Col -> Metal casting (those forges would come in handy).
Copper town: Archer -> Library.
Cowville: Settler -> Market.
Furry cow borders expanded.
Didn't switch to caste system (won't help us now), but we'll see if it's relevant later (Ulundi has the potential to be an excellent GP farm).
I sell CoL to saladin for 1000 gold and to augustus for 60 gold to enable us to keep research, and Napo and Roosy already have them, and I guess they'll have them soon. Better make something out of it when we still can. Research is down to 50% (at -14 gpt). Metal casting in 9.
I start moving the settler to the north like cripp7 suggested (I can't see any other reasonable location either).
Augustus sent an archer to scout our lands.
Some more french garrison scouting:
Spoiler :
IBT - Hagia Sofia BIFAL.
900 AD (4) - Fur and pigs connected.
And some more french garrison scouting:
Spoiler :
920 AD (5) - Ulundi borders popped.
And some more french garrison scouting:
Spoiler :
IBT - Colossus BIFAL.
940 AD (6) -
OH! I must be
! I forgot to hire scientist specialists in Seoul! Done.That shaved a turn of MC, but market is up to 4.
Settler is on the spice with a chariot, and an archer on its way, but I'm waiting for now. It'll only cost us more, and we might come up with a better use for it.
Iron is connected! We can start build swords in Seoul once the market is done (and maybe a forge).
French scouting:
Spoiler :
IBT - Augustus offers spice for one of our horses. I turn him down for now (no point in getting "traded with our worst enemy" and we don't need the happy now. We can also get spices by settling...).
960 AD (7) - nothing much. Some more scouting:
Spoiler :
980 AD (8) -
1000 AD (9) - Seoul : Market -> Swordsman.
Looks like a good year to stop.
Map:
Spoiler :
All in all a boring set of turns.
Save: View attachment Charming AD-1000.CivWarlordsSave
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Metal Casting is up in 1. Seoul should expand next turn and then we can build a quarry on the marble (we have workers there).
As you've noticed, I scouted Napo's land to see his forces. You know what? he's not that strong. I think with a little more military (hwachas and swords) we can take 2-3 of his core cities, and make peace. There are still 2 cities of his which we cannot see (he has 10!). One is in the north (we can see its borders) west of Avignon. The other one is probably somewhere in the west, but I could be mistaken.
He also has a roaming chariot and a roaming HA which I saw.
Ulundi can become a strong GP farm. We need a library there (up in 5) or to switch to caste system. Note that it's close to its happiness limit (so these spices might be useful after all).
Nobamba needs culture. It's building a library (painfully slowly). Maybe a forest can be chopped in the area?
Most of our military is concentrated in Nobamba. Some chariots are spread between Cowville and Furry cow.
We have extra dye and horses, but I don't see a good deal for us ATM (spices?).
The settler still awaits orders on the spices.
After MC, maybe feaudlism for the longbow?
As you've noticed, I scouted Napo's land to see his forces. You know what? he's not that strong. I think with a little more military (hwachas and swords) we can take 2-3 of his core cities, and make peace. There are still 2 cities of his which we cannot see (he has 10!). One is in the north (we can see its borders) west of Avignon. The other one is probably somewhere in the west, but I could be mistaken.
He also has a roaming chariot and a roaming HA which I saw.
Ulundi can become a strong GP farm. We need a library there (up in 5) or to switch to caste system. Note that it's close to its happiness limit (so these spices might be useful after all).
Nobamba needs culture. It's building a library (painfully slowly). Maybe a forest can be chopped in the area?
Most of our military is concentrated in Nobamba. Some chariots are spread between Cowville and Furry cow.
We have extra dye and horses, but I don't see a good deal for us ATM (spices?).
The settler still awaits orders on the spices.
After MC, maybe feaudlism for the longbow?
mlinneak
Prince
Looks good Asaf 
Can we whip the library in Nobamba?
Can we whip the library in Nobamba?
cripp7
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ok, we can do some trades
August 3gpt>dye
Roosy 5gpt>horse
If we want to try and take a few core cities of Nappy, lots of cats, few spears for HAs/phants and axes for swords. He'll bring a sizable counter-attack which once that's taken out, it'll be a lot better.
Avignon 2LB> 3-4 suicide cats, 4HA, 2-3axe, 2archers
Lyons 2LB, 50%, walls> 8-10 cats, 4HA, 4-5 swords, 3-4 axes, ? archers to hold that city depending on what he brings in reinforcements. Need to bombard that city to 0%.
Nappy has pikes which means he has Engineering already, hopefully he won't put a castle in there.
I'd go Drama for trade bait, we're WAY behind on techs, everyone has CS already.
August 3gpt>dye
Roosy 5gpt>horse
If we want to try and take a few core cities of Nappy, lots of cats, few spears for HAs/phants and axes for swords. He'll bring a sizable counter-attack which once that's taken out, it'll be a lot better.
Avignon 2LB> 3-4 suicide cats, 4HA, 2-3axe, 2archers
Lyons 2LB, 50%
, walls> 8-10 cats, 4HA, 4-5 swords, 3-4 axes, ? archers to hold that city depending on what he brings in reinforcements. Need to bombard that city to 0%.Nappy has pikes which means he has Engineering already, hopefully he won't put a castle in there.
I'd go Drama for trade bait, we're WAY behind on techs, everyone has CS already.
cripp7
Playin' Bored
oh, forgot it was my turn! why not settle 1W of the spice? could use the sheep to help grow?
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You probably mean 1E. And then we'll miss the whale. with a LH it should be enough to grow slowly. It is a possibility though, since we'll get the full spices
. Your choice.
cripp7
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IHT-
decide to settle 1E for more food
MM cities, not a fan of 1pop
but pop library in Ulindi, growth next turn
start chop in Ulindi
scout Nappy just a bit
*don't group workers, one worker will lose a turn*
1010ad-
MC > CS to chain farm
seems everyone has MC!
Ulindi library>court hire 2
settle Spicy Sheep > library
start chops in SS & Ulindi
Cowville hires sword
1020ad-
Sal request DoW vs Romans..decline
Roosy asks OB..decline
GG born IFAL
Cowville sword 
> spear
1030ad-
Seoul sword>HA
Ulindi worker starts wd
Nappy gets cow from FC!
1040ad-
Cowville spear>sword
FC library>lh
workers farm
1050ad-
Ulindi stagnate until whip is gone...
SS library
road to Nappy done, Paris route is getting +6
1060ad-
zzz
to 0%(+43/Turn)
1070ad-
Seoul HA>hwacha
CT library>sword
Ulindi court>barracks
SS library>granary
move chariot from Cowville to Ulindi for
1080ad-
Ulindi barracks
Seoul max
1090ad-
FC lh>granary
Ulindi barracks>sword
1100ad-
Cowville sword>sword
Toaism FIDL
Ceasar made peace with Sal
to 100% CS in 2t
1110ad-
Seould hwacha>hwacha
GS born, academy
1120ad-
CS> queue Paper
CT sword>sword
Cowville sword>hwacha
to 0%
stop here for input
civic switch to burea for sure, what about OR and Jew to get Roosy happier. Could bring him in on Nappy war
decide to settle 1E for more food
MM cities, not a fan of 1pop
but pop library in Ulindi, growth next turnstart chop in Ulindi
scout Nappy just a bit
*don't group workers, one worker will lose a turn*
1010ad-
MC > CS to chain farm
seems everyone has MC!
Ulindi library>court hire 2
settle Spicy Sheep > library
start chops in SS & Ulindi
Cowville hires sword
1020ad-
Sal request DoW vs Romans..decline
Roosy asks OB..decline
GG born IFAL
Cowville
sword > spear1030ad-
Seoul sword>HA
Ulindi worker starts wd
Nappy gets cow from FC!
1040ad-
Cowville spear>sword
FC library>lh
workers farm
1050ad-
Ulindi stagnate until whip
is gone...SS
libraryroad to Nappy done, Paris route is getting +6
1060ad-
zzz
to 0%(+43/Turn)1070ad-
Seoul HA>hwacha
CT library>sword
Ulindi court>barracks
SS library>granary
move chariot from Cowville to Ulindi for
1080ad-
Ulindi
barracksSeoul max
1090ad-
FC lh>granary
Ulindi barracks>sword
1100ad-
Cowville sword>sword
Toaism FIDL
Ceasar made peace with Sal
to 100% CS in 2t1110ad-
Seould hwacha>hwacha
GS born, academy
1120ad-
CS> queue Paper
CT sword>sword
Cowville sword>hwacha
to 0%stop here for input
civic switch to burea for sure, what about OR and Jew to get Roosy happier. Could bring him in on Nappy war
cripp7
Playin' Bored
I only played 12 turns, wasn't sure of our tech path. I thought Paper for trade bait.
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