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[Asaf]

AMMM... 10 turns...

Anyway, paper's good. Bureau also good.
OR and Judaism for Roosy seems like a good plan. They hate each other. Furry Cow will need to build some missionaries to spread it in our cities.
We should probably even bribe the war a couple of turns before we declare to move french units away from us.

We should take into account that attacking Napo will block us trade-route-wise, but I still think we need to do this.

Should MM Seoul to let it grow even without the sheep.

Damn! just noticed Napo has a maceman Not good.

Oh well, we'll bomb him.

 

[mlinneak]

Haven't seen the save yet so not sure how well another war would go right now. I can play tomorrow night if that will work for everyone. Additional suggestions and recommendations would be appreciated. Teching paper sounds good along with a double switch to Bur and OR, converting to Jud. Not sure on builds till I see what's going on, infra? units? both?
Also, are we needing any particular Nat Wonders started?

 

[Asaf]

Since we'll need to DoW Napo eventually (unless you can think of something else), it's better to do it while the tech difference is small (he has a much stronger starting point right now, with better tech and more cities).

in that case, I guess spam units and build basic infra (and as I said, missionaries).

I think we still need Literature and other techs for national wonders.

 

[cripp7]

NE and HE are the only 2 atm, NE in Ulindi and HE in Seoul. A couple more spears for his knights, good stack in the south, all units from Seoul going north to attack up there.

 

[Asaf]

NE and HE are the only 2 atm, NE in Ulindi and HE in Seoul.

We don't have lit yet, so NE and HE cannot be built now.
I agree with your locations though.

I think we should let research up to 30% since we have more libraries than markets.
we give up 39 but get 49 per turn.

And I think Seoul should build a forge next.

 

[cripp7]

should I continue or you just take it from here?

 

[mlinneak]

Unless you were in the middle of something you really wanted to complete before your turnset completed, I will play when I get home from work this evening, approx. 6:30 EST. If you had something you wanted to get done before turning it over though feel free to play till you finish up, just let me know before 6:30 pm EST.

 

[cripp7]

no not really, take it away

 

[mlinneak]

1120 AD - 1220 AD
Switch to Bur and OR
Convert to Judaism

Roosevelt wants us to stop all relations with the French. Since we are trying to befriend him and planning to war with the French anyway, I agree.

So in return I ask him for Meditation, and he gives it to us.

Napoleon is first to circumnavigate the globe, and Angkor Wat is BIFL

Roosevelt proposes a trade, I accept as it appears to be mutually beneficial

We have 2 million Koreans

I built a little infra and a few more units, I started a missionary but it hadn't completed yet. I put in a stable in a couple of cities since we can built War Elephants now. Also, we can turn research up to 100% and get paper in 3 turns.

The save ~

 

[Asaf]

Looks good mlinneak.

Now we are committed to
It seems Roosy will not declare on Napo ATM. maybe in a few turns. If not, it's a little problematic.

I will MM a little, I want our cities to grow faster (especially Seoul), and I will try not to hurt production too much.

Will build more units (some elephants and hwachas).

Once we get paper (And I'll try making it happen in 3 turns), we can trade it and meditation to augustus for... something. I suggest Feudalism (we might need to throw in some gold too) but I'm open to suggestions.

I think in a few turns we can finally whip that library in Nobamba.

Now lets talk war plans.
I don't intend to declare on my turn set, but I think it will be on cripp7's. A few more hwachas to the north and some elephants to north and south.

I suggest taking 3-4 cities then negotiate for peace (unless we can bring Roosy in and do really really well).

South: take Lyons, then I think go straight for Paris. I guess this is where his big response stack will come from, so we should leave a little counter stack of our own in Nobamba.

North: Avignon, and one of the other cities.

Napo might declare on us before we do on him. If he does, we'll see what we have then.

I will play in a day or two, but I want to hear your opinions first.

 

[mlinneak]

Your plan sounds good, Asaf. Try spreading Judaism a little more too if you can, but really it's going to have to be secondary to military buildup. But all the options you mentioned sound great to me.

 

[Asaf]

one more thing - I can't look at the save now, but I think we should go for philo after paper. We can bulb education with the GS we should receive in Ulundi soon (don't remember when exactly), and then try being the first to Liberalism.

Do you think it's possible? I can't see now who has what...

 

[cripp7]

Roosy already has philo and paper, he may beat us to lib. I'd go machinery for maces next. trade med+paper to Caesar for machinery? or at least med+ for lit, just have to wait and see.

 

[Asaf]

1220 AD (IHT) -
Some MM: Seoul grows in 3, stable still finishes this turn. Pushed granary in copper town before Market. Cowville grows in 4.
research up to 80% at -73 gpt. Paper is due in 3.

1230 AD (1) -
Seoul: Stable -> elephant
Furry cow: Jewish missionary -> another one.

missionary sent to copper town to help with building production there.

IBT - Christianity has spread in copper town, Islam was founded in tours, and Euclid was BIFAL.

1240 AD (2) -
Some workers action.

1250 AD (3) -
Paper -> Machinary (for now).
Cowville: Stable -> elephant

Ceasar won't give us machinary. I'll put 1 more boosted research turn into it, and maybe next turn we can make the deal.

Judaism spreads to Copper Town (thanks to Rabbi missionary). An extra hammer! woohoo!

1260 AD (4) -
It worked.

Spoiler :

Ceasar comes offering machinary + 40 gold for paper. I throw in meditation for world map and make the deal.

Spoiler :

It's a crowded world.

The only one without paper is saladin, and he hates us and won't give us any tech, so I sell it to him for 200 gold so we can keep with research.

I set research on Drama. We can trade it for lit.

MM Ulundi to grow much slower. It's at happy limit.

IBT - Saladin has completed university of Sankore.

1270 AD (5) -
Ulundi: Hwacha -> hwacha.
Furry Cow: Missionary -> Missionary.

library in Nobamba.
Missionary sent to ulundi for happiness.

1280 AD (6) -
Drama -> Music (for now).
Ulundi: elephant -> elephant
Nobamba: Library -> theatre

Spoiler :

I sell Roosy drama for lit + 220 gold (instead of 210 + map, best price we can get), and we keep on research!
We can get nothing else for it for now. I hope when music comes (3 turns) we can get something from ceasar for drama + music.

1290 AD (7) -
Roosy suggests OB. I accept. We are going to be best budds!
I push HE in Seoul before the current elephant (should have done it last turn...)

1300 AD (8) -
Cowville: elephant -> theatre (reached it's happy limit)
Copper town finished granary, continued with market. Set to maximum growth. Pushed forge before market.

Spread judaism to Ulundi. returned it to keep growing.

1310 AD (9) -
Music -> Feaudalism (for now)

Well, we have music and drama, but we can't do anything with it.
Roosy has them both, Napo refuses to talk (not that we would trade with him anyway), Saladin hates us and won't give us any techs, and ceasar is cheap. only compass + map + 10 gold for both. He won't even give compass for music. I hold trades for now.

I stay with feudalism for long bow and guilds, but reduce research to 40%.

theatre in Nobamba. This city's gonna have culture soon!

IBT - Saladin wants us to cancel deals with ceaser. As saladin is against Roosy, and ceaser is on Roosy's side. I refuse.

Spoiler :

1320 (10) -
Furry cow: missionary -> forge
Nobamba: theatre -> lighthouse

I left some workers unmoved, and there's the missionary which should be sent somewhere.

Well, I guess I worked on infra more than on military. Built 2 elephants, but we can now build macemen and crossbow as well. As soon as HE is done (4 turns) we should resume military build in Seoul. Only faster

For some reason, Napo still refuses to talk. I though it lasts for 10 turns or so?

GS is up in 5 in Ulundi. I think we should bulb something with it (education? I never know the order).

After feaudalism (5 turns), I think guilds. But we'll see after it's done who has what.

And Nobamba will finally pop borders next turn and can start working the horses.

Map:

Spoiler :

Save:
View attachment Charming AD-1320.CivWarlordsSave

 

[mlinneak]

Looks good, Asaf it seems we are starting to pull things together. I don't recall if we ever did come to a decision on which victory condition we were going to pursue.

 

[Asaf]

I think we got to the conclusion that cultural and space race are out of the question.

That leaves mainly warmongering...

cripp7 - you're up.

I'm not sure if Feudalism was the right call (maybe there's another trade bait I missed). Only 1 turn was invested into it, so we can change it. But we do need this.

 

[cripp7]

War is closing in

IHT-
Jew goes to Seoul
Checkout cities
CT: max to get it growing goodjob: on farming city!)
FC: barracks
will put another turn into Feud to try to trade for it

1330ad-
Cowville theater>phat
Trade Ceasar crab>dye
no trades continue Feud
consolidate forces for battle next turn

1340ad-
Seoul has jewish now
Cowville phant
North group

Spoiler :

South group

Spoiler :

Call up Louis for the bad news..busy signal, cross his borders anyway

1350ad-
Nobamba borders expand
Cowville phant>xbow
french mace kills HA in the north
NG bombards Avignon from 50%>28%

1360ad-
FC rax>xbow
Cowville xbow>xbow
Ulindi hwacha>ne
bombard Lyons 100%>58%
lose spear,2 phants

1370ad-
Seoul phant>trieme French caraval blocking city
GS born in Ulindi, bulb part of Edu

Spoiler :

Battle for Avignon

Spoiler :

use GG to create Super-Medic chariot
bombarb Lyons to 6%, his reinforcements arrive

Spoiler :

1380ad-
Feued > Edu (6)
French has decimated our stack losing 2 swords,hwacha,axe leaving 5 hwachas,3ax,ha,sword retreat
Ulindi insert jew temple
Nobamba insert walls

1390ad-
Seoul trieme>lb
Nobamba walls
Ulindi spear
French now sporting his musketeer!

1400ad-
Seoul lb>lb
Cowville xbow>lb
SS lh>mace
French wiped out stack in Nobamba, will lose city

Spoiler :

stop here for suggestions, I think try to hold Cowville until peace. Getting Education and making some good trades. I think we've lost this one though, I see no way of catching up atm. Maybe see what trades, but very doubtfull.

.including save

 

[Asaf]

I agree on defending Cowville, but I think we can take another city on the north, to be in a better position for peace negotiations.
Am I too careless?
Alternatively (or in addition to it), we could send some hwachas and an elephant or 2 to Cowville to help with the coming stack.

We should lower research slider to 0% for some archer->LB upgrades (and maybe some others). With some MM we can get much more gold.
Again, alternatively, we can try researching education to trade it for Roosy DoW on Napo. I don't hink it'll work though, since Roosy is probably researching education as we speak (for liberalism).

Some MM and city-notes:
CT should work the town instead 1 of the farms. It will still grow next turn.
Seoul should build another trireme (2 turns) to kill the wounded caravel. If not - we should consider getting it back on the sheep, and MM Spicy Sheep accordingly.
Cowville - switch working farms to hamlets, to at least stagnate it. It is already unhappy.
Don't forget to whip the temple in Ulundi, and then run a priest there. It needs more production badly.

I think I should have built more military in my turnset, but what's done is done.
Oh well.

 

[cripp7]

I'll play it out today and see where it goes.

 

[cripp7]

continuing on
Seoul trieme get sheep back atm
CT lb working cottage
Cowville walls>lb stagnate

Pull units out of Nobamba
kill , 4t at 0% will give Edu in 2t at 100%

1410ad-
Ulindi lb
CT lb

1420ad-
Cowville lb

1430ad-
upgrade archer in CT >3 LB s now
pillaging continues

1440ad-
Call up Louis and can give peace city of Avignon+Musc>peace
worker go back to rebuild pillaged improvements
knights+musketeers vs LBs, hwacha no match

1450ad-
SS lb>rax

1460ad-
Seoul hwacha>mace
FC xbow>walls

1470ad-
EDUCATION
2 trades I would consider
Ceasar

Spoiler :

Roosy

Spoiler :

oh yeah, 8gpt>cow

Roosy wants War with Napp+map+60>edu, I think the other is better more bang for the buck