Monarch Student Prime XII Washington

[NihilZero]

Nice job by mjg taking up the slack and keeping this series going! I was enjoying it and then Meatbuster vanished so it's nice to see somebody rescuing the series from oblivion.

 

[Tempesta13]

Immortal/Normal 1AD to lib

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Slowly filling in cities and trying not to fall too far behind in tech. Genghis declares on Hatty again. Those two are teching slowly but mansa is about 8 techs ahead.

Still have 5 or so cities left to plant. Finally start trading around techs a bit. Mansa got philosophy very early. I still bulbed it so i could make this trade. With great library/national epic in cap i won't be short on great scientists.

Apostolic palace built in judaism so i'm putting monasteries and temples everywhere. Mansa wins lib - i was going for it but figured he'd beat me. I had 2 scientists ready to bulb education but the slow tech start made me too far behind. Still will probably go for education since i can't tech anything mansa doesn't have and education still will trade well with hatty. She also converted to christianity which will only help genghis stay in a constant war with her. Mansa is up to friendly.

I'll have both paper and edu in a few turns to trade and catch up a bit.

To 1500 AD

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Genghis declares on mansa - he continues to help my cause.

Slowly crawling back up to tech parody with much needed trades

Mansa looses a city to genghis - good news.

1100AD i settle my final city. It's nice to have the land but it put me far behind.

Printing press was the first tech i got to trade to mansa - catching up now. Met everyone else finally - they aren't far ahead in tech.

Got cavalry going. Hatty and mansa went rifling very early - but genghis is so far behind i should be able to take all his land with cavs easily. Just have to make sure he doesn't cap to hatty or mansa. Tech rate is becoming respectable. Sal and Will are big but won't be a threat unless Will goes culture. Mansa and i went to free religion.

Caught up in tech. With all mine and Genghis' land i will out produce hatty and mansa by far (with state property) and take the continent later with infantry/arty or tanks/bombers. Will probably go for space from there since it will be easiest. Only probably is if willem goes culture - but with lots of production and an ocean between i can raze a city and not worry about counterattacks. If Genghis doesn't cap to put me in a war against both mansa and hatty it'll be an easy game. I have control of AP so i could possibly stop that war if it started. I'll have a lot of cavs so i'd probably be fine anyway. Prefer to wait for arty or bombers though - lots of production will make it easy, even if they have the later military techs also.

 

[Gumbolt]

Okay 1685 ap victory.

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Played it pretty sloppy after lib race. After i built Ap i spread religion to one of every AI. Vasselled both Mansa and hetty who freely offered. Took out Mongols with rifles. Clicked about 15 turns till vote and game over. I was falling a bit behind the arabians. not sure how they got that powerful. They never really seem to feature in my games.

 

[Sawney Bean]

Monarch Epic 1010 AD - AP Diplomatic Victory

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Built The AP



Teched Machinery and Optics and despatched missionaries to the other continent. Saladin needed to be revolted out of Theocracy and eventually

Thanks Mike for hosting

 

[mjg5591]

Erm, how do I play this on Emperor?

EDIT: As in what save? Take Immortal save and choose Emp? Or Monarch save?

If you want to play Emperor with the natural bonuses to the AI use the monarch save. Immortal save has the techs added in to the AI.

 

[BigTime]

Emperor/ epic to 1748 Diplomation

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After lib, went for communism through chemistry and traded for guilds. Revolt into CS and started spamming workshops. Amass cavalry and DoW on Genghis, who has no rifles.

Not a hard war:

Halfway through I take Mansa as voluntary vassal. His pop + mine after all these conquests + Williem from FR fav civic will be enough.

Next up is hatty, no rifles either, not a hard war by any means:

Stop building units, build wealth and tech MM. Build UN and on first vote win diplo. Pushed Williem to friendly by going FR (which I was planning to do anyway) and fair trade.

Graphs: (massive power hike)

Builds: (cav spam)

Demos:

which all adds up to:

My second best score ever! Was a really fun map, although a little easy with a strong start and plenty of room to REX. Although, this was my first emperor game online (and only my fourth won so far), so it felt pretty good. AIs on my continent were constantly warring, while the other continent was a buddhist grouphug.

Thanks for the host Mike!

 

[mjg5591]

Glad to see so many people having fun with this game. I had some real life things to do, so i'll get to this game tomorrow.

Think the start might be to much. I should have taken away the stone or the marble. I did not edit the map at all. Maybe I should have, but hey makes up for that greuling Sury game.

Congradulations to all that have won so far. Looks like a save that can win with any type of VC you want.

 

[Gocho]

After banging my head on immortal I figured this would be a nice change of pace to ease up a bit. Heck I'm even trying a slower speed for the first time in awhile.

Emperor/Epic/400ish BC

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Went pottery first then AH, Masonry and finally BW.

Hatti and Genghis are waring of and on, we are all on happy Jewish continent.

Wonder whoring it up, chopped Stonehenge, TGW, Pyramids in capital and Oracle in my 2nd city for the culture bonus to make sure I hold my copper.

I may have settled a bit close to the ai.

Only 4 cities up due to wonder spam so time to fill out the land and wait for the Genghis backstab, after he's dead I'll decide on peaceful or if everyone has to die.

 

[Tempesta13]

Immortal/Normal 1500 to 1928 space win

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Ended up being a very close game -Conquered Genghis and Mansa, then took most of hatty's cities and capitulated her. No one was close to culture but sal was way ahead of me for space. Ended up launching 1 turn before me but with 1 engine. Closest space race i've had by far. I was over 4000 beakers for awhile, don't think i've ever done that before. Internet caught me up in tech but i was warring while sal built apollo. He built elevator when i started my ship. Could have won domination but that's too much work - could have won UN if i had of switched to theocracy since i was +1 or +2 from sal voting me winner. Could have gotten shared tech or resources diplo bonus with sal also and won UN. I suppose i should have just done that but i wanted to go space. I was pretty sure he only had 1 engine but really didn't know if i was going to win until the 10 turn wait was up.

 

[comet]

marathon/monarch 1834 AD Domination

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continuing from 1502 AD

Plan on invading the other continent once i get destroyers. Saladin has also vassaled his continent so it's just me and him. Possibly wait for tanks/seals but most likely will end up going with infantry instead of waiting more.

I get the last 2-3 techs I can from hatty/MM, and try to get Hatty to research techs I'm not going for to trade but she decides to go for mass culture and her research goes to like 200 turns.

After taking three holy cities from MM (or rather, two cities, one with two religions founded), I realize he doesn't have the shrines built and early on I got like 2-3 GPs which I settled sigh. But somehow I luck into another GP and make the Jewish shrine

Anyway I'm finishing up my last 2-3 transports and getting ready to go by around 1700 or so when Saladin declares on me. I admit I wasn't paying attention and thought he still didn't have astronomy so he wouldn't dow me so I was caught off guard. Well actually he STILL didn't have astronomy but he apparently convinced wang to give him combustion and sent over his transports with caravels escorting them (lol).

He tries to take some cities from hatty with cavalry and cannons but I run bombers on him and its pretty easy. We peace after 10 turns and I start loading my transports.

I go from the south first by Wang's cities. I've got mostly infantry with a few machine guns and artillery on the land. Wang has the same, Willem is minding his own business and Sal has massive stacks of cavalry and grenadiers mostly. Anyway I take 3 of Wang's cities, including his capital where he was wonder whoring. I am really crappy at running reinforcements in, well mostly I'm just very lazy so I peace and decide to do it during peace-time so I don't have to worry about losing transports to destroyers or something.

Also finish up industrialism at this point so I come back with seals and tanks. Pretty straight forward at that point. None of them have flight so I can freely bomb just about anything. Only machine guns and anti-tanks can intercept me so it's pretty easy.

Eventually take enough of Sal's cities for him to cap and that's that.

Thanks for the save, definitely a friendly map but still quite fun.

 

[Freyas]

Monarch/Epic 1874 Domination win, continued from http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8805438&postcount=33.

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When coming back to the game, I decide to head for space, with my tech lead and high production and research. I didn't really feel like invading the other continent with both WvO and Wang vassaled to Saladin, too. I teched up to communism, and used the spy plus a merchant I'd been holding around in case I wanted to start Sushi, and popped a GA to change civics, swapping into SP,OR and planning on switching to Emancipation at the end after pumping out a scientist in my GP farm with Caste. However, 2 turns into my GA, Saladin makes me change my mind by declaring on me and depositing several dozen camel archers and trebuchets on my land. I quickly mopped those up with my cannons/rifles/infantry from my recently-ended war, and started pumping out destroyers and transports, along with a bunch of infantry from my inland cities, starting teching on Flight, going for Industrialism and then Radio for Bombers, since I should have a pretty good period of time before I have to face any anti-flight units besides MG's.

I landed my first stack on a hill outside of Korea's capitol, taking it the next turn and fortifying up for the waves of units I know are coming, while sending my ships back for more. Wang and Willam both send a stack to suicide on my ~12 MG's and ~20 infantry, mostly grenadiers and below. Shortly after this, Willam breaks free, and quickly signs a peace treaty with me for all of his gold and 10 gpt. About this time, my second stack is arriving on Saladin's shores, and I take his coastal city next to his capitol, with my airforce starting to develop to help speed up the invasion. Once I get industrialism, I start pumping out Seals, figuring I might as well get some use out of them if I'm doing a late war with America, and send over a fleet with seals and planes to sack the coastal cities, while my infantry and cannons slog through the trenches with air support. Wang Kong decides to fight until the bitter end, and with a vassal, Saladin thinks he's doing fine, even though I control half of his cities. However, I finish off the Koreans, and Saladin is willing to capitulate, pushing me over the Domination threshold. I had UN control, and would have probably been able to end it a couple turns earlier, but it didn't let me put up the resolution for diplomatic victory.

Here's the final stats:

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[Nothingontv]

Monarch-normal. huts + events are on. till 250 ad

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Like other people commented it looks like a good start for wonders. For the last couple of weeks I have been building less and less wonders. Usually just Stonehenge (if I’m not creative and can spare the hammers) and the Great Library.
I find that at Monarch I quickly lose the expansion race when I build too many.

In my last game (Sury) I didn’t have a plan for most of the game so I decide to go for a cultural victory (well try at least) from the start.

I settle in place and start exploring north because I see tundra to the south and I’m guessing the other civs are either to the north or the east. My first build is a worker.

My first hut pops a scout (yay easier exploring ). My second hut also pops a scout, guess I don’t have to build many warriors for exploring.
3720 BC I meet Mansa, he’s not my favourite leader as a neighbour but it could be worse.

My third hut gets me some gold but my fourth, fifth and sixth get me scouts again! I’m happy with all those huts but 5 scouts is a bit much . 3 of them die by animals including the one with 7 XP (I had another hut that gave me XP) that I was trying to get home.

3360 BC I meet Genghis, one of the worse neighbours and in 1320 BC Hattie.

Once my worker is done I start wonders and settlers/workers.

2240 BC Great Wall
1880 BC Stonehenge
1360 BC Pyramids
1160 BC a great spy which I settle
575 BC a great engineer which I settle
250 BC Parthenon
100 BC Great Library

In 75 BC I get another great engineer that I use for a Golden Age. I don’t usually do that this early in the game but there isn’t a religion yet on my continent and I’m trying to get to Philosophy so I can found Taoism. It’s a gamble but it might be worth it.
It turns out I get lucky and I found Taoism in 250 AD. I also got a Great Prophet 2 turns earlier so I can build a shrine.

I now have 5 cities (6 on the next turn) and easily have room for 3 or 4 more.

Tech order was: AH-mining-mason-wheel-BW-mys-pottery-writing-Aesth-IW-drama (I steal Math. From Mansa)-Phil (steal fishing from Mansa) and I’m now starting on either currency or Mono.

Genghis has picked Hattie as his worst enemy for now and has already been to war once. I have settled 3 blocking/border cities to which I’m sending my axes and spears.

Mansa has settled right on the border of my production city and might take my gems once his borders pop. I think he will be the biggest threat in the future if Ghengis can’t conquer anything soon.

some pics

Not sure if a cultural victory is still the best choice with only one religion present.

 

[Gumbolt]

Wow some nice wins.

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I almost wish I had gone for diplo win earlier. Downside was KK was slightly leading Ap and pretty much warring with Mansa and Hetty the whole game.

 

[CivilizedTiger]

Monarch marathon till 1000BCE

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I've decided not to build too many wonders, as I would like to claim some land first. Unfortunately, Mansa Musa has already settled one of the spots I really wanted to settle, and it seems like Genghis and Mansa have a lot more land to settle on than I do, as Genghis has just eliminated Hatty.

Anyway:
Started worker first, as TMIT suggested, teched AH first. As soon as worker was out, started building a farm, which I let finish so that I have better growth while building the pasture for the pigs. After that I built 2 warriors and then a settler.

First city settled was New York, for the horses and commerce to come. Capital than trained a warrior and then another worker. At some point I was very lucky and one hut offered mining, so I immediately started researching BW. After it was done, I've noticed that I had copper to the east, in the BFC of one of my intended settling spots, so that was my third city, Boston, early GP farm.

After BW I teched the wheel to connect copper and horses, trained one or two chariots, then an axeman. Teched writing after the wheel, then pottery. (I know about discounts, and I really want to know which order is best: I do need libraries, and I can't help but think that it's actually more advantageous to have libraries sooner and have the potential for +25% efficiency for all techs to come, then to have a measly discount on writing) After writing came pottery, then alphabet. Unfortunately, I could not get IW after alphabet, so it looks like one of my jungle river cities is still to be very poor and I'm still to go without gems for quite some time. I also won't get to settle another city I wanted to settle in the jungle, and that's another addition to the nuisance. After alphabet I immediately went into currency.

Oh... forgot to mention... somewhere in there I settled my fourth city, Philly, terrible location pre-iron working, but I had to take it, or else Mansa would have very likely settled it in stead. I don't yet know if it might have been better to just give it up and war Mansa at some point and steal it, but for now, I'm glad I have it. It sure sux as a city, but there will be a point when this changes.

After that I settled Atlanta, my second early commerce city, then Chicago because I wanted to make sure that Philly can't get disconnected and because there's not much to complain about another copper source, is there?

I still want to settle one commerce city south of the Atlanta-New York axis, one city for the whales, one for the fish+silver, one to further connect Philly to my lands and I want to take a barb city north of Boston. I only hope Genghis doesn't take it first, but regardless, I'll have to go to war against him sooner or later and I have a feeling that he's going to be technologically backwards soon. I just hope I survive until that "soon".

Ideas and questions:
1. I only wish to build the GL, of all the early wonders, as teching masonry is too expensive at the moment, given my steps, and building wonders is also to expensive considering that I seriously need to catch up military-wise and that I still need to settle some cities and still need some workers. Is it ok? Would it have been acceptable in this game to sacrifice land for some of the early wonders? The Oracle comes to mind as probably the biggest loss of mine in this game.
2. I am used to creative leaders, so I'm not too comfortable with non-creative leaders. So far, with all non-creatives, I've used libraries for popping borders. I do think that monuments are a waste, and that mysticism is too expensive early on for the benefits it offers. Am I wrong? Am I terribly wrong? What do you think about this?

 

[CBPE]

It's too late to join??
I'd start to play it tomorrow (it will be this night in US)

 

[mjf200]

I'm close to a victory in my game monarch/epic. Wondering how you guys post screen shots. Do you just use the PrtScn button and save as some sort of image, or is there something within the game. thanks!

 

[lymond]

I'm close to a victory in my game monarch/epic. Wondering how you guys post screen shots. Do you just use the PrtScn button and save as some sort of image, or is there something within the game. thanks!

Use Print Screen which will prompt you for a file name and automatically saves it to the BTS/Screenshots folder. I then upload to ImageShack (there are other site like this) and copy the link it provides for websites. Note that their are ideal resolutions for the image that fit better on forum posts.

 

[dualmaster]

I lost my 1AD save, so ended up playing from the start again. And I actually wasn't doing as well at 1AD the second time around . Anyways...

Emperor/Epic to 1720 Culture:

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Played nice with everyone, so never had to worry about war. Teched through Liberalism before maxing culture slider.

1st city made legendary mostly from wonder culture with a few specs.

2nd city made legendary with a few wonders but mostly Sistine powered specs.

3rd city made legendary mostly with cottages.

Settled 4 GAs early, then bombed 5 toward the end.

Most built unit was Great Artists. Second was warriors.

 

[obsolete]

Immortal / NSC / Archer Barbs

Spoiler :

This one I played really sloppy, mostly because I knew I could get away with it. Anyhow, naturally I went WE/SEE, and eventually got up to my cavalry. KK was getting dog piled constantly throughout the game and I had to keep getting everyone to make peace with him.

I didn’t even bother upgrading my cuirassiers to cav this game, I was simply too far ahead it didn’t matter anymore. So I kept pumping cav out and we Vassaled Mansa, KK, Egypt, just like that! 1-2-3.

I had a bit of a real screw-up though, stupid ******** Saladin DoWs on me for no reason at all. Then he cant figure out where to unload his troops so he goes sailing around my whole continent trying to find a spot to unload (what an idiot). Then I made a stupid mistake, mis-counted the movement of his galleons, and hence allowed him to finally unload into an empty city that was just in reach.

Ughhh… what a screw-up on my part. The AI finally found an idiot bad enough to give it a small victory.

Oh well, I wrestled the city back, and then the idiot offers me gold for peace. Now why the hell did he even DoW in the first place then!?” Firaxis was so stupid with that war-plan. I don’t get it.

Anyhow, I nabbed internet and then began to nuke over and over and over and over on the other continent. If I made peace with Willem, I would immediately re-Dow on Saladin and his stupid Vassal.

I don’t get it, I pulverized their cities to the ground, every one and no one wanted to vassal. That was so silly. Eventually I noticed my own pop exceeded the domination limit because I had knocked their cities down so much.

So I decided to go host a diplo win, and I got it. GG.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I don’t get it, I pulverized their cities to the ground, every one and no one wanted to vassal.

To vassal, target power must be < the average power of all civs. Having a vassal of its own makes it factor in its vassals power as part of its, and on top of that gives a multiplier so it thinks its even stronger (god knows why).

Between the fact that your vassals were likely sissyfoots and that you kept nuking MULTIPLE AIs to hell (aka dragging down the average power), and the fact that there existed in the game multiple tiny crap vassals (including a civ you likely nuked to ~0 power), this was probably your bottleneck.

I'd call the cap mechanics broken, but I don't want another 4 page lecture.

Oh what the hell...THE CAP MECHANICS ARE BROKEN.

Note that if you picked the one that didn't have a vassal, nuked it exclusively, you might have been able to cap it. The other AI would then have been a "land target" and might have capped too. Logical.