[RD] Morals of enjoying works made by people who have done bad things

[Kaitzilla]

So 3 months after I made that Michael Jackson post, Leaving Neverland hit Amazon Prime instant streaming 3 days ago on March 5th.
It is disturbing as hell.

If Spotlight which won the Oscar for best picture in 2015 made you squirm because of priests sexually abusing kids, then Leaving Neverland hits a bit harder because it feels more personal.
The 2 guys describe exactly what Jackson did when they were 11 and 9 years old.

Many radio stations have now taken Michael Jackson's music off the radio.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/mich...-from-radio-stations-around-the-world-2457781

The Simpson are deleting the 1991 episode that featured Michael Jackson voicing a mental institution patient who thinks he is Michael Jackson.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/08/entertainment/simpsons-michael-jackson/index.html

The 2019 movie Leaving Neverland follows the last Michael Jackson film, the 2017 movie Searching for Neverland that covered the last 2 years of his life.

Spoiler :

So that makes 5 kids that said Michael sexually abused them.
Either innocent or a master at grooming children.


More:
https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/2019/03/226040/michael-jackson-accusers-victim-cases-1993-2004

At one point, Jordan described Jackson’s lower torso, so a warrant for a strip search was issued. While some things Jordan described about Jackson matched, eventually it was decided that his description did not accurately match the singer’s body. Due to Jackson’s failing health and in hopes of ending the media circus, it was decided a settlement would be reached. Jackson put $15,331,250 into a trust for Jordan, and awarded $1.5 million to both of his parents, along with $5 million to Evan's lawyer.

Ick!
$21.5 million is about right.

In August 2000, Gavin Arvizo and his family were invited to visit Neverland Ranch, because Gavin’s cancer was in remission and Jackson often invited sick children to visit him. During this same time, ITV was filming a documentary, Living with Michael Jackson, which would first be broadcast in February 2003. The documentary showed Jackson and Gavin holding hands and sharing a bed together, which was startling enough for District Attorney Thomas W. Sneddon Jr, who oversaw the Chandlers' lawsuit, to reopen Jackson’s case in June 2003; in November of that year Gavin told authorities that Jackson had allegedly molested him.

On November 23, after searching Neverland Ranch, Jackson was arrested and was later freed after posting his $3 million dollar bond. Jackson, believing he was innocent, refused to settle, essentially confirming that this trial would go to court. In December of 2003, Jackson was charged with seven counts of child molestation and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent for the purpose of a committing a felony; in April of 2004, he was also charged with conspiracy involving child abduction, false imprisonment, and extortion.

Jackson’s trial officially began on February 28th, 2005, and the prosecution argued that Jackson would lure young boys to Neverland Ranch to engage in sexual acts with them, and distracted their parents from what was happening via expensive gifts. A handful of Neverland Ranch staff members testified that they had allegedly seen Jackson molest some of the boys staying at the ranch, with some of them witnessing oral sex acts and the children being given alcohol.

Gah!
One would think all those staff member witnesses would have made the charges stick that time.
It was a freaking kid with cancer after all.

Might as well throw Louis CK's SNL child molester monologue (@ 5:34) in before his career self destructed. (7:17 >_<)

Spoiler :

 

[Manfred Belheim]

If only there'd been some clue as to the truth about Michael Jackson before now. It's all such a shocking surprise.

 

[Kaitzilla]

If only there'd been some clue as to the truth about Michael Jackson before now. It's all such a shocking surprise.

Well, maybe Michael Jackson really was an innocent, rich, weird guy who played with kids after all?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...e-but-these-accusers-dont-seem-credible-to-me

Safechuck expresses his resentment for the gifts — and yet there they are, preciously placed in a decorative box, still in his possession 30 years after the man, who he says licked his anus as a young boy, gave it to him.
During the 1993 sexual abuse allegations against Jackson brought by the family of Jordan Chandler, both Safechuck and Robson testified that Jackson had never behaved inappropriately with them. That lawsuit was settled out of court.
During the 2005 trial for more child abuse allegations, Jackson again asked Robson and Safechuck to testify that he had never touched them. Robson, then 22, did testify. Safechuck declined to participate.
Tell me something: If you’re Michael Jackson and you know that you had in fact done the things Safechuck and Robson allege, why would you ask them to testify twice on your behalf?

The 5 kids who have accused him are:
Wade Robson (his dad committed suicide in 2002)
James Safechuck
Jordan Chandler (got $15 million) (his dad committed suicide in 2009)
Gavin Arvizo
Jason Francia (got $2 million)

Brett Barnes said he was never abused and is threatening to sue HBO.
Macaulay Culkin also said he was never abused.

The Michael Jackson trial results from 2015 were not guilty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Michael_Jackson

Child witnesses are just really unreliable sometimes.
James Safechuck and Wade Robson testified that Jackson was innocent during the investigations and trials before coming out with the 2019 documentary as older adults.

Here is a funny video poking fun of the situation.

HBO is probably going to be sued for $100 million by the Jackson estate.

 

[Kyriakos]

I think it is high time newton is erased from books too, i mean he mostly was a weirdo cultist trying to become invinsible by consuming potions made out of crashed beetles.

 

[Zelig]

Child witnesses are just really unreliable sometimes.

Witnesses of any age are consistently unreliable.

Just ran across this while reading about plane crashes: https://web.archive.org/web/2013051...times.com/2002/06/23/weekinreview/23WALD.html

HBO is probably going to be sued for $100 million by the Jackson estate.

The Jackson estate has no legitimate moral claim to exist.

 

[Ferocitus]

Wrong stairway, Mr. Harris.