Maybe he meant the second one that was in Constantinople and got burnt in the Nika Riots, and not the one built by Justinian located in present-day Istanbul.
At this point though almost any Gothic cathedral would be great! They are such wonderful buildings and almost every one has its own special little quirk or historical detail that makes it fascinating. It makes me sad that we presently have to make do with the Cathedral building which is just a bit meh.
This is heartily my sentiment as well. I wrote a paper in college on the underlying theology and symbolism of Gothic architecture, and I've always found Gothic cathedrals as a sort of "theology made manifest" such a fascinating field of study.
The Guggenheim Museum in Spain would be an interesting modern wonder, so would that massive tower in Dubai (Burj Khalifa?). Even that containment structure for the damaged Chernobyl reactor and the mobile launch platforms for the USA's space programme are engineering marvels.
I agree with Zaarin, there ought to be some sort of gothic cathedral like Notre Dame or Cologne Cathedral.
It's interesting to think there were only a handful of wonders in the original game, but the numbers have exploded in successive iterations of Civ.
If we want a modern wonder/contemporary wonder, I want the Svalbard Global Seed Vault- Must be built on Snow, can't be adjacent to any improvement nor district. When built, prevent the construction of improvment or district adjacent the the Vault. Effect: your empire does not loose yields from droughts anymore.
Though isn't the whole idea of the Global Seed Bank to be... global? I think given that its purpose is to preserve a database of seeds for the good of the whole world, it's a bit odd for it to only affect your Civ.
DV points and a science boost would make the most sense.
Though isn't the whole idea of the Global Seed Bank to be... global? I think given that its purpose is to preserve a database of seeds for the good of the whole world, it's a bit odd for it to only affect your Civ.
DV points and a science boost would make the most sense.
Hey, we don't know what Norwegians are doing with it, OK? How do you think they're so wealthy and socialist at the same time? Only because of oil? Don't play stupid with me. I know it's because they're using the seeds to their own interests! It's a conspiracy! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT NORWAY IS SO GREAT JUST BECAUSE OF FAIR NATURAL RESOURCES? THEY ARE STEALING OUR SEEDS! FIGHT FOR YOUR SEED! DON'T LET NORWAY BE A SEED STEALER AND ENJOYING THEM WHILE WE'RE SUFFERING IN OUR SEEDLESS NATIONS!
Hem... On the other hand, having the Global Seed Vault being a competitive wonder ala International Space Station would be great instead. But personally I don't like wonders that gives your straight DV points. For the Seed Vault it would make sense because you're actually doing something for the world... but Mahabodhi Temple? Statue of Liberty? Why building them would give you DV points?
The Mahabodhi Temple was built supposedly where Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha) obtained enlightenment and the Potala Palace was the home of the Dalai Lamas.
Out of all the religions in the game I guess Buddhism to them seems the most diplomatic.
The Mahabodhi Temple was built supposedly where Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha) obtained enlightenment and the Potala Palace was the home of the Dalai Lamas.
Out of all the religions in the game I guess Buddhism to them seems the most diplomatic.
I think given the importance of the Roman Catholic Church to diplomacy in Western Europe and beyond during the Middle Ages, St Peter’s would be a better fit than the Potala Palace. This would also hark back slightly to Civ 4’s Apostolic Palace (which actually depicted St Peter’s anyway...)
But if I recall correctly the Diplomatic points for multiple wonders were added in the June patch last year... only the Statue of Liberty gave points to begin with right?
I think given the importance of the Roman Catholic Church to diplomacy in Western Europe and beyond during the Middle Ages, St Peter’s would be a better fit than the Potala Palace. This would also hark back slightly to Civ 4’s Apostolic Palace (which actually depicted St Peter’s anyway...)
But if I recall correctly the Diplomatic points for multiple wonders were added in the June patch last year... only the Statue of Liberty gave points to begin with right?
Well my main point are the wars that the popes have carried out through history, which to me doesn't seem very diplomatic.
To quote Wikipedia "Buddhism is generally seen as among the religious traditions least associated with violence" hence why those wonders give DV points, and why I don't necessarily think the St. Peter's Basilica should. Honestly it should be a place to store relics and religious art and make it a tourist trap.
St. Peter's Basilica would make a great religious/diplomatic wonder, I was a fan of it in Civ4, although I never understood why it was called the Apostolic Palace.
To be fair, the pope started those wars to stop Christian-on-Christian violence, and he was at least to some degree successful. But yeah, the popular image of the pope ruling over Europe as an iron-fisted god-emperor whose every breath was taken as divine decree is...fanciful, at best; the pope had little temporal authority and was in conflict with secular leaders for pretty much the entirety of the Middle Ages.
To quote Wikipedia "Buddhism is generally seen as among the religious traditions least associated with violence" hence why those wonders give DV points, and why I don't necessarily think the St. Peter's Basilica should. Honestly it should be a place to store relics and religious art and make it a tourist trap.
I can think of a good number of cathedrals and churches higher on my wishlist than St. Peter's Basilica, but I would have no problem with it granting DV points or envoys (the latter synergizing nicely with the Vatican City city-state).
To be fair, the pope started those wars to stop Christian-on-Christian violence, and he was at least to some degree successful. But yeah, the popular image of the pope ruling over Europe as an iron-fisted god-emperor whose every breath was taken as divine decree is...fanciful, at best; the pope had little temporal authority and was in conflict with secular leaders for pretty much the entirety of the Middle Ages.
I can think of a good number of cathedrals and churches higher on my wishlist than St. Peter's Basilica, but I would have no problem with it granting DV points or envoys (the latter synergizing nicely with the Vatican City city-state).
I usually think of St. Peter's Basilica granting +1 diplomatic favor for each foreign civilization that you converted to your religion . In addition to slots for relics and works of art.
Gardens by the Bay would be a nice addition! the graphic would be of a the two conservatories on one edge and the Marina Bay Sands on another edge, with the Supertree garden in the centre. Can be built on a coast tile adjacent to land.
Maybe it could have an effect like "woods, rainforest and marsh provide in your civilization provide +1 appeal and +1 power to the cities that own them."
As for a wonder from Dubai; I would prefer The Palm Jumeirah over the Burj Kalifha. Another wonder that can be build on coast ajdacent to a neigbourhood with a shopping mall building, providing +4 housing, +8 gold and +4 amenities. Shopping Mall buildings in your civilization provide double tourism and do not require power for their powered bonuses.
And to go along side a Shopping Mall wonder; Jemaa el-Fnaa. Can be built on flat desert adjacent to a neighbourhood with a food market building, providing +4 housing, +4 food and +4 gold. Food Market buildings in your civilization provide +2 tourism, +2 amenities and do not require power for their powered bonuses.
This picture does not do it justice... but it was so magical when I was there in 2013...
SpoilerA Magical picture of Jemaa el-Fnaa :
I would also quite like to see Masada in the game; another place I've been to which inspired me. Perhaps it can only be built on a Desert Mountain, city centres adjacent to mountains recive fresh water and cannot be put under seige. May also provide additional food and housing to support a likely desert city.
If you think of the Crusades as the first time since the Pax Romana that Europe stood somewhat a little united, you could see the diplomatic impact Rome had on the Middle Ages... Yes, crusaders killed a lot of people, but they killed them together, united in diversity. It's a success (for a certain definition of success that we can't apply today).
Also, the Papal States, having few temporal powers, were the major diplomatic power of medieval europe. Wherever you were, however powerful you were, for each question you often had an old guy in robes to take part in some conversations.
The Pope was also the one ending the colonial wars between Spain and Portugal with the Tordesillas Treaty and it's only one of the main example of what they did.
The Pope was a bloodthirsty tyrant only for a few briefs episodes of the Papacy; for the main part of History, Rome was here for diplomacy (because the Church had no power other than words), and it's something we too often overlook.
I think given the importance of the Roman Catholic Church to diplomacy in Western Europe and beyond during the Middle Ages, St Peter’s would be a better fit than the Potala Palace. This would also hark back slightly to Civ 4’s Apostolic Palace (which actually depicted St Peter’s anyway...)
But if I recall correctly the Diplomatic points for multiple wonders were added in the June patch last year... only the Statue of Liberty gave points to begin with right?
It’s right. More wonders were added as more points were requested for DV.
St.Peters and Potala seem to me as interchangeable wonders. As both the Pope and the Dalai Lama serve as recognised authorities/mediators in their areas of influence. It seems Civ VI made an effort to spread out the wonders all around the world, so ¿maybe this was the reason why potala was chosen?
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