Illuminous
Warlord
Does building a fortress on a mountain, increase it's defensive value beyond 100%?.
Civilization III Gold
Civilization III Gold
Mountain defense value
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I don't have access to my copy of the game at the moment, but I'm 99% sure it does increase the defensive value. I certainly hope it does, 'cause if not I've been wasting a lot of turns building fortresses on the mountains...
PS, Go Leafs! (I'm in Ontario too...please don't tell me you're a Sens fan...
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PS, Go Leafs! (I'm in Ontario too...please don't tell me you're a Sens fan...
)Illuminous
Warlord
I'm not much of a sports fan, but any Canadian team is okay with me. 
TheOverseer714
Overseer
A Fortress increases a tiles' defense by 50%, with a barricade(conquests) adding another 50%. On a mountain, that is 150% and 200% respectively. Truly a formidable barrier.
tom2050
Deity
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So, for example, if you have a barricade on a fortress (100%) on a mountain (100%) in front of a river (25%), with your unit fortified (25%)... your unit would have a 250% defensive bonus. If it's normal defensive value was, say 6, it's modified defense value would be 21 on that particular tile.
All defensive bonuses are cumulative for a unit (including radar towers, etc).
Tom
All defensive bonuses are cumulative for a unit (including radar towers, etc).
Tom
Illuminous
Warlord
Too bad the the A.I. doesn't like to attack fortifications... bummer. 
timerover51
Deity
Too bad the the A.I. doesn't like to attack fortifications... bummer.
Where do you get that idea? I get hit on a regular basis with my units in fortification with barricades, wherever they are.
Illuminous
Warlord
I play on difficulty Regent, what about you?. I find that they bypass them early on. Choosing to move on to an easier objective.
Another question, when you build a city on top of a hill, do you get the defensive bonus even though the hill is leveled?.
Another question, when you build a city on top of a hill, do you get the defensive bonus even though the hill is leveled?.
Bartleby
Remembers laughter
A town built on a hill does get the defensive bonus.
The hill is leveled? I never noticed that, and I always assumed you did get the defensive bonus because it seems to be more difficult to take a hill city. I've never tested it before so I'm not sure...
EDIT: ^^ You posted the answer just as I was posting, thanks!
EDIT: ^^ You posted the answer just as I was posting, thanks!
Bartleby
Remembers laughter
Also, the hill isn't leveled, because if you raze a hill town, the hill is still there.
Illuminous
Warlord
Thanks for the answers. What about attacking from, let's say, a mountain to a an enemy on a grassland tile. Does the attacker get the defense from the mountain or the grassland tile?.
Attackers don't get defense bonuses, only defenders do.
DFBATTLER
Bob Saget
I believe so, then there's barricades... whew.
My location, other than "Location: Location, Location" is Mississauga and OakvilleI don't have access to my copy of the game at the moment, but I'm 99% sure it does increase the defensive value. I certainly hope it does, 'cause if not I've been wasting a lot of turns building fortresses on the mountains...
PS, Go Leafs! (I'm in Ontario too...please don't tell me you're a Sens fan...
This is awesome. Now I'm gonna build fortresses/barricades everywhere. :3
Hah, that's us Canadians for ya. (=I'm not much of a sports fan, but any Canadian team is okay with me.
Too true...I cheer for the Leafs, but I know that they won't even make the playoffs so I cheer for whatever Canadian team does make it.
I often build fortresses and barricades, when you have a large stack of workers you can complete them in as little as a few turns and it gives you a lot of flexibility in defending your border. It allows you to leave a small 1 - 2 unit garrison in the fortress and pursue injured invaders or perhaps launch your own invasion without fear that you might be leaving yourself exposed.
They're also pretty useful when you want to execute the infamous 'funnel of doom' tactic. ^_^
DFBATTLER
Bob Saget
1st paragraph: Me tooToo true...I cheer for the Leafs, but I know that they won't even make the playoffs so I cheer for whatever Canadian team does make it.
I often build fortresses and barricades, when you have a large stack of workers you can complete them in as little as a few turns and it gives you a lot of flexibility in defending your border. It allows you to leave a small 1 - 2 unit garrison in the fortress and pursue injured invaders or perhaps launch your own invasion without fear that you might be leaving yourself exposed.
They're also pretty useful when you want to execute the infamous 'funnel of doom' tactic. ^_^
2nd paragraph/3rd paragraph: I'm 'guessing' the funnel of doom is worker-rushing barricades around an enemy city, then stack 'em up and swoop in with all your troops. (Tell me I'm wrong
)ChaosArbiter
King
2nd paragraph/3rd paragraph: I'm 'guessing' the funnel of doom is worker-rushing barricades around an enemy city, then stack 'em up and swoop in with all your troops. (Tell me I'm wrong
The Funnel of Doom is usually used with Armies, but any ZoC units work. Basically, you set up a 1-tile funnel for the AI to go through, and stick Armies (the AI doesn't like to attack them) ringing the funnel. The AI tries to send its Stacks of Doom through the funnel, the Armies get free hits due to ZoC, and you can then attack the depleted stack with those armies. Doesn't get too much use outside of higher-level All-War games, as the AI doesn't build enough units.
Due to the ZoC granted by Barricades, they're a fairly effective substitute for armies.
DFBATTLER
Bob Saget
That's a very costly strategy
, but worth a try, I guess!It isn't so costly though, because you are supposed to offer the AI some bait. The idea is to have your "funnel" starting at the border and leading towards an unprotected city. The AI should then throw everything it's got at that city in some kind of a desperate suicide mission to capture that city.
I wonder, could the bait be a large stack of workers too?
I wonder, could the bait be a large stack of workers too?
