Mounted Warrior

[CrazyScientist]

The Iriquois mounted warrior looks pretty cool.
Did anyone notice thought that the standard horseman is exactly the same as the Babylonian Bowman and Egyptian War Chariot. Doesn't that make these units kind of pointless?

 

[Phorever Phalanx]

What were they thinking?

One great historical example of resource management is the Americas not having horses, which dictated what the Aztecs and Iroquois (and Mayans and Inuit and ...) could do as a civilization.

Now the Iroquios have a 20th century US cinema cowboys and indians stereotype of a 19th century rider, with an eagle feather headdress. Look for teepees instead of lodge houses and smoking a peace pipe during negotiations!

Why not a fast warrior who has no movement penalty in woods? Why not anything but this?

I looks like the standard world map will have horses in the Americas, or you will not want to play the Iroquois.

 

[Astreos]

Ah, but War chariots and Bowmen don't require any strategic resouces while the horsemen needs...you know. Which would mean more special units earlier because you won't need to connect all the cities with roads and colonies and whatever.

 

[WarandPeace]

lol. nice point

 

[Robespierre]

I think it was a good idea. In civ3, if you're the iroquois and you don't have access to horses (like the real iroquois), you won't become as powerful a civilization (like the real iroquois). Also, the mounted warrior looks pretty cool.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

The modern horse originated from North America...migration brought it to the old world...

The modern horse (I haven't the book to hand on the accurate name for it!) died off in the Americas but the migrant populations in the Old World survived...how lucky for one Herman Cortes!

Stephan Jay Gould in "Bully for Brontosaurus" has an essay concerning Montezuma's Sorrow.:crazyeyes

This is true :crazyeyes ...no really! :crazyeyes

As for the case of the mounted warrior AT least this time some justification for giving a unique unit that isn't really connected to the named civilisation is given.

 

[CrazyScientist]

Let me get this straight....
Horseman require horses but chariots don't?
What exaclty is pulling these chariots along?

 

[Ilspana]

if they wanted to give them a mounted warrior, they should've just called them the soiux... Using the editor, I'll definitely change the iroqouis unique unit to a settler with an extra movement point . It makes alot more sense with their expansionist nature and the fact that they didnt have horses.

I dont care about a golden age being brought about by a successfull combat of unique unit. Thtas kind of a cheesy way of getting to a golden age anyway. Getting to a golden age should be more difficult.

 

[Ilspana]

Who's pulling the chariots? Midgets of course!!!! :crazyeyes

.........err... that is to say.. Little people.. yeah :crazyeyes :crazyeyes

 

[Robespierre]

Chariots must be easy to get, since to have horsemen you need "horseback riding" whereas to have chariots you just need trained midgets, which were in abundance in ancient Egypt.

 

[DaEezT]

Let's hope those midgets are not as mean as the one from Austin Powers 2 , else those chariots are gonna be pretty Evil

 

[Graeme the mad]

HA HA HA : The Native american tribes (collectivel of course) get a MOUNTED WARRIOR

Because of course they were one of the finest cavalry cultures in history: what have you done firaxis?

Why not have the brave? - upgrade of a spearman: with one extra movement and doesnt require whatever spearmans gonna require (bronze i guess)

actually could someone suggest that to firax - this is so funny

 

[Becka]

HEY

...us migets don't take kindly to being lassoed...

 

[redsoxrule85]

i think its kinda weird that their special is a horseman; i guess they can justify it because they said it encompasses all of the NA tribes with the Iroquois... they couldnt just say "Native Americans" or "Indians"(thats already taken )They had to pick a certain name.

Still the BEST unit should be a bowmen with maybe an extra attack. Many Northeast Indian tribes completely destroyed small settlements. (We are learning about them in US History ) There was King Philip's War(not the Spanish King Philip... this one was a Christian native) and before the Revolution, The Iroquois raided many villages of the French AND the English, with nothing but bows, and i guess knives(i cant think of anything else they could have used)

 

[Karl Marx the Penguin]

Firaxis add this unique unit feature to give added realism, and a reason to use all civilizations and then they do this outrageous stupidity. Horses Native Americans

Although the Iroqouis didn't really come into their own until the time of the Europeans crossing over. No to mention that this game is going to likely be sold to young white males, and the fact of matter is: they like stereotypes (but that's a stereotype saying that hmm). Firaxis is simply going to use what most people are confortable with, Americans are ethnocentric, they don't want to learn about other cultures. Actually they do now, they simply want to learn about them in connection to the US.

 

[Dearmad]

Gotta admit it- this is a piss poor choice by Firaxis- a Brave would have been better, on foot but with upped movement rate AND defense (harder to wipe out hit and run warriors). They would have been a closer to history unit and LESS INSULTING TO NATIVE AMERICANS!!!


AAAAAAAAAARGH!

 

[LKendter]

I hate the PC stuff, but even I find the choice insulting

Horseman, wth? Yes, the various tribes became very good with horsemen, but ... I agree, way to stereotyped. Plus, much of the early battles were are foot. I like the idea of the brave someelse mentioned.

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

I think that I'll take the Iroquois unit and replace it with a Brave, and then use it as the CSU for a prarie tribe (ie: Sioux, Blackfoot) which would be more appropriate.

 

[JellyDonut]

You guys might want to check out Dan "The Man" Magaha's defense for the unit:

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28440

 

[Robespierre]

The Native American "mounted warrior" was a big deal in the late 1700s and early 1800s, so just because the mounted warrior wasn't around until that late doesn't mean that Firaxis is unjustified in making that their special unit. I think the mounted warrior looks really cool and is better than the brave, especially since the Aztecs already have a special regular warrior unit.