Moved up to Noble? Depressed? Not me!

[Lemon Merchant]

Well, boys and girls, I am sitting back with a nice big mug of hot chocolate, reflecting on my very recent mauling...
I have just concluded my 25th game since I moved up to Noble. Of the 25 I have only won 2 games for a whopping 8% victory ratio.
Don't worry. This isn't a "Boo-Hoo" thread.
I'm actually pretty happy. Since I started lurking here in March, I have been reading posts, looking at the war academy, asking a few questions and reading and reading even more. It's paid off handsomely. The advice I've been getting from all of you has been fantastic, and has seriously improved my game play. I've gone from being completely humiliated to losing by only a small margin. I enjoy the game even more now. Even when I lose (sigh, "Dan Quayle" again...) I still have more things to work on, but that's what makes it fun.
I don't have much experience with online forums, other than a few medical ones (boring!), but CFC is great. It's a nice little community where people help each other, and I'd just like to say thank you.
Yes, I'm getting a little philosophical, but hot chocolate does that to me.

Thanks guys.

 

[methusaluh]

it's nice to see that they have helped you as i have been. lately noble has bee a breeze since i got back online. you know you have it down when you can always get the cultural victory.

 

[Go Boks]

I'm one of those rare players that don't care about winning. I just play the game I want to play and I am happy with the result as long as I don't get taken out and accomplish my objectives (which shift with the random civ/leader I get assigned).

The only time I try to "win" is when I draw one of the aggro civs. Otherwise, I usually end up winning via score.

Basically, as long as you are having fun, you're winning in my book.

 

[mushutoku]

Basically, as long as you are having fun, you're winning in my book.

These are words that could be written in golden letters in the first page of Civilopedia!

Like Lemon Merchant I try to play and get things balanced, changing objectives dependig on the situation and the Ais I am playing with...
I find this forum VERY useful, for strategy tips and so on, but sometimes I just do not care to win: I mean, once I was so ahead in the tech tree that I just put the science slider to 0, put everithing on culture and...waited for the others to keep me! It looks strange, but it is what happened to Ming China in XV century: they where so ahead(at least in pure science and culture, not military) they just closed on themselves giving a damn of the rest of the world...
Ok folks, keep playing and enjoy!

 

[RasmCiv]

Thats great!

Im also playing on noble, rarely winning, but still having fun! But i also think its funnier to get a little better each time, so that you can one day mve to noble.civfanatics gives lots of good tips..

 

[Genv [FP]]

If you aren't winning games at noble, and you know all the game Mechanics, then it's time for you to start Micro-Managing better.

Ex: I used to only use my Capital to make military Units. With Micro-Managing other cities and whipping when needed, I can make 3 times more units.


I win 99% of Games at Noble. As probably do All Prince+ Players

 

[Iranon]

Three cheers to LemonMerchant for an excellent attitude. I'd like to point out one's 'real' level is the one where one wins as often as the average AI. Many players don't ever try playing at their true difficulty level, opting for guaranteed wins instead.

The Civ4 community is indeed a fairly nice place... maybe that's something I should remind myself of more (I suppose I can be a little impatient when in geek mode).

Anyway, happy civving!

 

[Sian]

Genv ... could you please try not to be an ass to everyone? ... i think half the posts i see from you is where you're basicly is being a jerk, seemly because you know that noone have invented a device which delievers a punch in the jaw over the internet

 

[6K Man]

Well, boys and girls, I am sitting back with a nice big mug of hot chocolate, reflecting on my very recent mauling...
I have just concluded my 25th game since I moved up to Noble. Of the 25 I have only won 2 games for a whopping 8% victory ratio.
Don't worry. This isn't a "Boo-Hoo" thread.
I'm actually pretty happy. Since I started lurking here in March, I have been reading posts, looking at the war academy, asking a few questions and reading and reading even more. It's paid off handsomely. The advice I've been getting from all of you has been fantastic, and has seriously improved my game play. I've gone from being completely humiliated to losing by only a small margin. I enjoy the game even more now. Even when I lose (sigh, "Dan Quayle" again...) I still have more things to work on, but that's what makes it fun.
I don't have much experience with online forums, other than a few medical ones (boring!), but CFC is great. It's a nice little community where people help each other, and I'd just like to say thank you.
Yes, I'm getting a little philosophical, but hot chocolate does that to me.

Thanks guys.

What a great post. Having fun is what the game is all about.

And I have to admit I envy your ability to handle losses. I stuck around at levels far too low for me - simply because I don't like to see my nation lose - for too long. So I've slowly made the progression from Warlord>Noble>Prince, and although I'm absolutely crushing the AI in my current Prince game, I probably won't move up to Monarch just yet because of how badly my last aborted Monarch game went. So in a way, I'm probably learning slower than you, just because I refuse to put myself in a position to make mistakes I could learn from. But to each his own, I guess...

I won't make any concrete suggestions towards winning consistently on Noble, because I don't think that's what this thread is about. That said, the way I improved the most at Civ2 (a few years back) was by playing succession games. I'm not sure if there are Civ4 succession games out there, but if there are, I highly recommend that approach as a way to learn fast.

 

[Genv [FP]]

Genv ... Could you please try not to be an ass to everyone? ... I think half the posts i see from you is where you're basically is being a jerk, seemly because you know that no one seems to have invented a device which delivers a punch in the jaw over the internet

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And saying that I win 99% of games at noble is being an @%@#%? Noble is really easy. In fact, it's easy because the AI is really, really Stupid.


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[Sian]

i'm so sorry that english is not my native language ... how can i repay my insolance of trying to tell you something when i doesn't spell perfectly?

 

[Hardin]

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And saying that I win 99% of games at noble is being an @%@#%? Noble is really easy. In fact, it's easy because the AI is really, really Stupid.

Wow that just proves his point even more.

 

[stee]

(sigh, "Dan Quayle" again...)

Im with you on that one

 

[Magma_Dragoon]

Incidentally, Dan Quayle had William Kristol write many of the things he said. This raises the question 'Why do people still listen to Kristol but not Quayle?'
(Kristol writes for the op-ed section of the NY Times. The editor in chief has him and Paul Krugman come in on the same day just to watch them fight.)

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Having fun is what the game is all about.

Exactly. The fun part for me is stretching my "brain muscles." And learning something new every game sure keeps the interest up.

And I have to admit I envy your ability to handle losses.

I deal with a lot of negativity in R/L because of my job, so I've learned to look on the bright side a little bit. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who thinks that giving someone a hug will fix the ills of the world. I just try to see the positive side of a loss. If I tried something new, or learned something by playing that I can do better next game, then that's great. If I didn't, but had some fun anyway, that's fine too. I usually manage to do something stupid every game, but I have a policy of never re-loading. The fun part is trying to recover.

The not so fun part is the heckling I get from my room mate. He can't figure out why his mouse keeps getting unplugged. He thinks it's the cat.
Revenge is sweet.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Many players don't ever try playing at their true difficulty level, opting for guaranteed wins instead.

Agreed. But it gets pretty boring when you win all of the time.

 

[Genv [FP]]

Wow that just proves his point even more.

The AI is stupid. It's ability to fall for traps like the one-city trick, or it being able to be manipulated into it's own destruction is astounding.

 

[Go Boks]

Genv ... Could you please try not to be an ass to everyone? ... I think half the posts i see from you is where you're basically is being a jerk, seemly because you know that no one seems to have invented a device which delivers a punch in the jaw over the internet

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Actually, genius, the "could" and "I" are capitalization errors, not misspellings.

Furthermore, "seems to" is not necessarily a set of "missing words," but "have" could have been misspelled and intended to be "has."

...but, good work thoroughly proving his point.

 

[Go Boks]

I usually manage to do something stupid every game, but I have a policy of never re-loading. The fun part is trying to recover.

Good for you. I can't bring myself to do that, as much as I want to.

The not so fun part is the heckling I get from my room mate. He can't figure out why his mouse keeps getting unplugged. He thinks it's the cat.
Revenge is sweet.

 

[CrimsonEdge]

Exactly. The fun part for me is stretching my "brain muscles." And learning something new every game sure keeps the interest up.

This is my biggest problem currently. Before BTS I was able to beat noble every single time and the difficulty higher than that every other time. Any higher and it was a crap shoot.

Now I can't seem to even come close to a win (except for a space race victory that I won't ever try again) on noble.

I'm finding that no matter what I do I'm left in the same mess every game. I'm finding that there is no difference between quick expansion with settlers or forceful expansion by taking over my closest enemy. A combination of the two puts me in the same place. I'll do amazingly well in the early game (highest score, most land mass, highest population) but my enemies will always catch up even when I continue to expand and conquer.

By the late game the enemies have caught up, and this seems to be my weakness. I think it's my inability to find a purpose for all of those conquered cities that spring up around 1000-1500AD. Consistently losing games isn't teaching me how to do it, sadly, and this is my biggest problem.

It's disheartening to say the least.