MP12 - Winter Campaign

[MeteorPunch]

Munterpipe hasn't been on CFC in 5 days and we skipped his last turnset as well. goraemon is up.

Roster
MeteorPunch - just played
Munterpipe - out (contact us if you are still playing)
goraemon - up!
ThERat - on deck
DeceasedHorse
Robo Mike - skip

 

[goraemon]

OK got it I'll take a look at it soon

 

[goraemon]

Hmm, with this particular savegame, I am still unable to view the demographics screen (empty) and I don't know why. Somewhat...irritating Is it just me experiencing this glitch at this point?

 

[goraemon]

Turn 0: We appear to be somewhat behind tech to Roosevelt and Mansa Musa. Can't assess precisely by how much, due to demographics screen blanking out on me..

MM a few cities. Arbela is over happy limit so I stunt growth and add another scientist specialist (Arbela was the only city having any specialists at all at that point so might as well add another).

I agree that the undeveloped cottage by Gordium needs to be destroyed to help spread irrigation. We aren't even using the gold mine because of food concerns there right now. Switch-build harbor in Bearfall @ 7 turns.

Nothing worthy of trading with anyone atm. Capac won't trade (besides he and Mansa (our soon-to-be close friend) are annoyed with each other anyway so..), and we don't have anything to trade with the other 2.

We're currently in bureaucracy civic but still in tribalism with its "low upkeep"..whenver it was that we changed to bureau we could've switched to slavery or something because it's no upkeep (as is we're paying 7 extra gold/turn right now for nothing). We also have caste system as an option but since we're currently not too big on specialists usage so slavery is prob better.

On the religion front, I find that switching from paganism to organized religion, despite its high upkeep, would be neutralized by the decrease in upkeep we get from slavery, and we get to build buildings 25% faster once the hindu missionaries pop out from capital and we're going to switch to hinduism soonish.

Overall, going to revolution for slavery + organized religion would increase civic costs by just 1 gold/turn (from 37 to 38) so I think it's worth it. So I revolt
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Going to move on to turn 1 now or later.. I find that turn 0 for me is always the most agonizing and time-consuming.

{EDIT} I think I got to disagree with destroying the hamlet by Tarsus for spreading irrigation though. We are able to work all the tiles with the improvements we have there right now. Esp. with maybe a later windmill on the 1 mine Tarsus can work, and/or biology that city won't have any problems maximizing its growth.

 

[MeteorPunch]

We're currently in bureaucracy civic but still in tribalism with its "low upkeep"..whenver it was that we changed to bureau we could've switched to slavery or something because it's no upkeep (as is we're paying 7 extra gold/turn right now for nothing).

Too bad we missed that earlier.

I think I got to disagree with destroying the hamlet by Tarsus for spreading irrigation though. We are able to work all the tiles with the improvements we have there right now. Esp. with maybe a later windmill on the 1 mine Tarsus can work, and/or biology that city won't have any problems maximizing its growth.

By the time we have Biology we should be well on our way to victory. Missing the chance to irrigate 3 plains is not worth keeping 1 hamlet, imo.

 

[goraemon]

Turn 1: Up research a bit to get Paper next turn. Worker management mostly, some chopping, some building cottages, some farms.

Turn 1 EOT : Paper comes in. Not thrilled with any of the tech choices atm, as the desirable ones are too expensive. I choose optics for now but plan to try and trade w/Mansa next turn.

Turn 2: Trade Paper+World Map+$110 gold to Mansa for Optics. Switch tech research to Engineering after some agonizing (13 turns@50% research). Ask Roosevelt to spare his World Map and he agrees. As a result we now see borders of a French empire:

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Missionary spreads Hinduism to Arbela. Bactra grows to size 5.

Turn 2 EOT: Susa builds harbor. Begin...ugh, barracks @ 8 turns. Sidon builds granary. Begin (choprushing) forge. Capital builds missionary and starts on caravel @ 3 turns. MM to make it 2 turns.

Turn 3: More worker actions. We should've built more workers early on I think, there are cities working unimproved tiles. 9 cities to 8 workers is really a bit of a tight ratio.

Turn 4: Missionary spreads Hinduism in Susa. Gordium's borders expand so I can begin building farm and spread irrigation. Workers get to it, aside from other tasks.

Turn 4 EOT: Capital builds Caravel. Begin missionary.

Turn 5: Send out caravel west and I convert to Hinduism at this time.

Turn 6: Mansa Musa is the 1st to circumnavigate the globe. Caravel meets Julius Caesar:

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He doesn't even have Alphabet and has like 30 gold. Open borders.

Turn 6 EOT: Gordium finishes forge and starts harbor.

Turn 7:

Turn 7 EOT: Gordium choprushes harbor. Begin market. Tarsus finishes courthouse, begin harbor.

Turn 8: See that Mansa Musa picked up Music.

Turn 8 EOT: Bearfall completes harbor, continue w/forge.

Turn 9: Capital keeps churning out missionaries and more worker actions. Bactra grows to 6. Trade excess cow to Caesar for 3 gold/turn. See that Mansa Musa picked up Engineering as well, crap.

Turn 9 EOT: Another missionary from Capital. Temp break in action to build harbor @ 3 turns as all cities on this continent will be converted.

Turn 10: Spread Hinduism at Pasargdae. Move just-built missionary towards Bearfall. Tarsus grows to 8. Btw Caravel keeps exploring westwards and should meet up with the French in a few. Roosevelt is now willing to trade Music for Paper + hundredsomething gold. That'd basically deplete our treasury and I leave the option to the next player.

Mansa Musa will take off and leave everyone in the dust technologically if something's not done sooner or later. Atm he's "friendly" to us but we have no techs to trade with him (still 6 turns from Engineering @50% which he already has now) so it's a delicate situation. It's really irking me to not be able to view the demographics screen; we're #1 in score so I assume we have the land mass and/or population advantage, in which case we should keep improving our land/infrastructure (we really need more cottages developed and just enough farms to work them all - taking into consideration future windmills and biology too) to try and play catchup but can someone access the demographics and see where we are at all areas, maybe post a screenshot?

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[goraemon]

Too bad we missed that earlier.

By the time we have Biology we should be well on our way to victory. Missing the chance to irrigate 3 plains is not worth keeping 1 hamlet, imo.

We don't need biology. That city can still work all tiles even without replacing the 1 mine with windmill. Irrigating the plains gains us nothing but +1 food. I'd say go the cottage route on those. Last time I checked it's not necessary to go through Tarsus to ensure other cities are properly chain-irrigated.

 

[ThERat]

save

Pre-Turn
well, I can't see the demographics either, very frustrating
send out immortal in the north to try and get that goody hut
I actually think we could found one mroe city on our own continent later
increase science to 70% to get engineering in 4. It often pays to speed up research for trading value

1. 910AD
Roosevelt think we can just give him paper, sorry folk
Susa finishes rax and goes for a mcae, we need more military for sure
we cleared another forest at Persepolis and speed up harbor

2. 920AD
more infra finishes and we improve income
Persepolis goes for aqueduct and then maybe Hanging Gardens

3. 930AD
Rossevelt just got HBR, good that he did not go for engineering so we can trade next turn
we finally meet Louis
we got a -6 modifier already, trade him gems to improve relations, but not too sure about that

attack archer, lose immortal, archer finishes job but the hut is hostile
we win against both warriors, at least Roosevelt didn't get those goodies
Caesar demands alphabet, well, I give in to improve relations, we can't afford everyone against us
now he would trade his ivory, not too shabby

4. 940AD
what? Roosevelt seems to have engineering now and nobody wants to trade a thing

5. 950AD
we might as well trade with Roosevelt now before he gets paper as well
give it to him for HBR 250gold and his WM
this reveals the Chinese a bit further from our caravel
sell our WM to Mansa for 30gold

6. 960AD
zzz

7. 970AD
getting closer to China
Caesar has feudalism and we are up so many techs on him, but he refuses to trade

8. 980AD
increase our science to 80% at -32gpt, but speeding up PP to 9 turns
we get good news as Caesar declares on Mansa Musa, should we help him with some iron?
will wait for next turn to cancel our deal first then renegotiate
we meet Mao, first everything is redish, then trade him our WM for 10gold and he is immedately in a better mood

trade machinery and compass for drama and music
also change gold for incense

now the only techs the AI is up are feudalism (Roosevelt + Caesar) and Philo (Mansa)

9. 990AD
cancel deal with Caesar (cow for 3gpt)
then give him iron and he gives us ivory + 4gpt

10. 1000AD
the Hanging Gardens are done in another 10, if we won't get it, we get at least good money for our deficit research
PP is due in 7 and will give us a nice bonus.
hopefully we can use it to trade

we are also currently building 2 more courts so we can build the FP

let's hope the war slows those 2 AI's down a lot

the victory screen since I also can't load the demographics

 

[goraemon]

That's a great stroke of luck that Caesar declared on Mansa Musa; trading him iron was the right move I think; let's just hope the war lasts a long time in a stalemate Also trading opportunities arose which is a relief.

 

[Munterpipe]

I'm really sorry guys. Had a lot of things going on last week, so I couldn't check in . I'll keep a closer look from now on though, so I'll definately catch the save after your next turn MP, if that's all right.

 

[ThERat]

is this game dead?

Roster
MeteorPunch - up
Munterpipe - on deck
goraemon
ThERat
DeceasedHorse - skipped since no got it for many days

Robo Mike - withdrew

 

[MeteorPunch]

is this game dead?

I don't care either way. There's been a lack of participation at times, so I rather it die now than die later. Its hard to make an effort thinking this way. I'd like to have at least 4 committed players.

Got it.

 

[MeteorPunch]

is this game dead?

okay now it's dead.

I'm sorry to say (especially to Rat) that I have no more interest in Civ 4. Totally gone and out the window. I'm not gonna be doing Gotm or RBC anymore, but I will finish Meth01 with just a couple easy turnsets left. I started playing WoW 2 weeks ago and I'm hooked. I don't have the desire to trudge forwards in this game.

Sorry again, MP. (continue if you want)

 

[Munterpipe]

Ok MP. Happy wowing. How about you other guys? Do you want to continue this? If there's interest, I'll post the next turn tomorrow. We could probably use another player as well.

 

[ThERat]

in my mind we need to clearly define the goal of this game and then find 1/2 more players, else it's a little tough without the initial starter of the game.

 

[Munterpipe]

I agree. It's probably much easier to start a new SG than resurrecting a dead one

 

[goraemon]

bit of a bummer because we were winning as far as i'm concerned. If the turnset comes back to me somehow I'd keep on playing; if not, good playing with the rest of you all sans the quitter.

 

[ThERat]

the problems with SG's is that you need to have people who are committed for the course of the whole game. That's sometimes not easy. I understand if poeple drop for technical reasons or maybe RL is just too crazy.
But with Civ4, we also have an influx or many new players and time will tell, who is reliable. Some are not and you simply need to avoid them.

MP has had a motivation problem with Civ3 already and has it now again...not so good...

So, I prefer to stop this and rather play other proper SG's.

 

[Munterpipe]

MP has had a motivation problem with Civ3 already and has it now again...not so good...

Not to be confused with this MP

 

[MeteorPunch]

If you guys are still in then I'm in. I didn't express well that I wanted 4 players (which is all we've got, tops). No one responded when I oringinally said this, so I thought no one cared.

I think the game is going well and could be won. Seems stupid to have to ask who wants to continue now - I'm in if you all are and I'm sure Rat is. If so I'll play.

EDIT: but yes I am finicky and addicted to WoW, but I can manage.