Mt Rushmore???

[Tiger_Nation]

Why is this a small wonder it took a while but carvings in the modern age hardly count as a wonder they bloody well used chisels TNT etc nothing to wonder about at all. What effects could it give as well all it is a minor act of civic beautification which didn't even occur in ancient times to make it more interesting. If Mt Rushmore is considered a small wonder there should be millions of small wonders which are more significant. Also whose idea was it to discover it with fascism what does it have in common with fascism?

 

[TheBB]

I don't know, but punctuation should be a wonder you may be interested in having a look at.

 

[bathsheba666]

From when you studied punctuation, do you recall anything about ending sentences with prepositions?

 

[Sickman]

I don't know, but punctuation should be a wonder you may be interested in having a look at.

Well, punctuation isn't great wonder for just few of us but a small wonder so we should all maybe use it. (I'm often guilty of not using that small wonder)

What comes Mt. Rushmore
The reason it is "small wonder", is that it isn't such "great wonder".
So as all civs can build it doesn't necessarily be something to be compared to example Pyramids or Hanging Gardens.

The effect?...
It could work as counterbalance against fascism in sense that it forces some legal action without needing to change to Police State. But that is just my guess nothing else.

 

[Superkrest]

lol.at..lol..anyways. I do agree to an extent. Once again, remeber the main market for this game is America. Im with you on the fact that , if it is a wonder, then there should be millions of others, but you cant include them all. oh well i say.

 

[TheBB]

From when you studied punctuation, do you recall anything about ending sentences with prepositions?

That's grammar, not punctuation. And besides english isn't my mother tounge.

 

[mitsho]

May I ask where you have the info from that Mt. Rushmore is gonna be a small wonder and arrives with Fascism?

And on topic: Practically every civ (or better for artwork, etc.) has its own culture, so I find it a bit tragic that everyone has to build Mt. Rushmore or Oxford University. It'd be much more fun if America(n culture group-civs) builds Mt. Rushmore, whereas the African (or Middle Eastern) civs build 'Kilimandscharo'. Or even better, the English build Oxford University, the French the Sorbonne and the Egyptians the 'library of Alexandria'.
Onto the effect, well, historically I do not see anything besides culture and tourism, but gameplay-wise it could represent the development and thus really something against Fascism... We'll see.

mitsho

 

[Carver]

I hadn't heard about Rushmore as a small wonder; but, it seems related to fascism in the sense of glorifying nationalist leaders and proclaiming the greatness of one's nation (the nation those leaders 'built'). It's propoganda, which is something fascists are very familiar with.

 

[frekk]

Why is this a small wonder it took a while but carvings in the modern age hardly count as a wonder they bloody well used chisels TNT etc nothing to wonder about at all. What effects could it give as well all it is a minor act of civic beautification which didn't even occur in ancient times to make it more interesting. If Mt Rushmore is considered a small wonder there should be millions of small wonders which are more significant. Also whose idea was it to discover it with fascism what does it have in common with fascism?

No idea why its related to fascism ... but this is a game made in the US so it's to be expected it will be biased towards the US. I don't really mind, games made in other countries are often biased towards their own history too. If I was writing the game I'd probably make the CN Tower or the Trans-Canada Highway a small wonder too.

 

[Tiger_Nation]

'What comes Mt. Rushmore
The reason it is "small wonder", is that it isn't such "great wonder".'
I know it was a small wonder, was describing it as a small wonder and was arguing against it because, you guessed it, because it wasn't enought to be a small wonder.

As for my grammer I couldn't give, as Jim Royle put it, 'a shiny sh**e'

ps I used two subordinate clauses in there just to prove my grammar can be good

 

[Stile]

@ Carver: I thought the same thing that it would be a pro-fascism wonder. It would be a little ironic since while it was government funded, it was largely the work and dream of one man and work on it was stopped due to war against fascism.

On it's wondrousness: I've heard Mt Rushmore is the largest work of art in the world. I'm a little skeptical of this and I guess it depends on your definition of art or size. Anyway, it does draw millions of people every year to South Dakota, which would seem to be quite a feat worthy of recognition as I can't think of a single other thing in that state.

 

[CivCube]

@ Carver: I thought the same thing that it would be a pro-fascism wonder. It would be a little ironic since while it was government funded, it was largely the work and dream of one man and work on it was stopped due to war against fascism.

On it's wondrousness: I've heard Mt Rushmore is the largest work of art in the world. I'm a little skeptical of this and I guess it depends on your definition of art or size. Anyway, it does draw millions of people every year to South Dakota, which would seem to be quite a feat worthy of recognition as I can't think of a single other thing in that state.

Ohhhh heck no. Crazy Horse Memorial will soon supplant that. When completed, it will be six times taller than the Pyramid of Giza.

 

[MSTK]

May I ask where you have the info from that Mt. Rushmore is gonna be a small wonder and arrives with Fascism?

And on topic: Practically every civ (or better for artwork, etc.) has its own culture, so I find it a bit tragic that everyone has to build Mt. Rushmore or Oxford University. It'd be much more fun if America(n culture group-civs) builds Mt. Rushmore, whereas the African (or Middle Eastern) civs build 'Kilimandscharo'. Or even better, the English build Oxford University, the French the Sorbonne and the Egyptians the 'library of Alexandria'.
Onto the effect, well, historically I do not see anything besides culture and tourism, but gameplay-wise it could represent the development and thus really something against Fascism... We'll see.

mitsho

IIRC Library of Alexandria = Great Library? It says so in the 'pedia.

 

[Superkrest]

why havent they started to make small wonders civ specific...by that i mean exact same benifit. but only different names and looks..that would solve tons of the problems..(maybe not even civ specific..maybe culture group specific)

 

[mitsho]

@MSTK Heck, it's an example. If it's not right for you, change 'library of alexandria' to 'medressa/library of Cairo' or something else, it doesn't matter that much...

m

 

[Urederra]

Why is this a small wonder it took a while but carvings in the modern age hardly count as a wonder they bloody well used chisels TNT etc nothing to wonder about at all. What effects could it give as well all it is a minor act of civic beautification which didn't even occur in ancient times to make it more interesting. If Mt Rushmore is considered a small wonder there should be millions of small wonders which are more significant. Also whose idea was it to discover it with fascism what does it have in common with fascism?

Agree 100 %. Is part of the 'american' view of the game. (Edited: I wrote world in first place)

My avatar could also be a great wonder then...

 

[Urederra]

Anyway, it does draw millions of people every year to South Dakota, which would seem to be quite a feat worthy of recognition as I can't think of a single other thing in that state.

Millions of people every year?

I think Florida beaches receive more people. Let's make a small wonder for every american state. It is easy, just copy what is on the number plates of the cars or in the quarters.

 

[Superkrest]

im gonna have to agree that the game is (always has been) a little bit americanized..and that rushmore is kinda stupid..if they feel the need to add american culture wonders..why not the pyramid of the sun. or bring back the statue of liberty or even the empire state building. something that is worldly recognized

 

[Lucky The Fox]

im gonna have to agree that the game is (always has been) a little bit americanized..and that rushmore is kinda stupid..if they feel the need to add american culture wonders..why not the pyramid of the sun. or bring back the statue of liberty or even the empire state building. something that is worldly recognized

Actually, the statue of liberty is returning. As for Rushmore, I think it's quite widely known as well. Is it worth being a wonder though, I'm not sure.
I don't have anything against so many modern wonders being American. It reflects the last century quite well.

 

[Darwin420]

Keep in mind that virtually all of the early age great/small wonders are NON-american. Just because the "modern" age is chock full of them doesn't necessarily mean a large americanized slant. But, almost all of the American wonders have occurred in recent times. (although the native tribes really should get their recognition, too).