Mt Rushmore???

[Tiger_Nation]

more an industrial age wonder if a wonder at all. I share the opinion that it is ugly though.

 

[frekk]

Well, one thing to say in defence of Rushmore is that it'll probably be around long after America has disappeared.

OTOH ... I've always thought the Taj Mahal should be in the game, and there should be at least one of the Mayan or Aztec pyramids in there too.

 

[Tiger_Nation]

taj mahal would be great but i think if america disapeers it will probably be destroyed and if it stays it will probably be lost due to acid rain but that is mere conjecture.
Also mayan and aztec pyramids would be great.

 

[Jaybe]

Great Wonder = Tourist Attraction
Might be worth pondering.

 

[Tiger_Nation]

I don't think things should be chosen as wonders just because they are popular tourist attractions.

 

[Afgnwrlrd]

Yeah.

Mt. Rushmore might lessen people's inclination to riot because it shows tradition or somethin.

 

[Wolfwood]

That's grammar, not punctuation. And besides english isn't my mother tounge.

More to the point, it is Latin-derived prescriptive grammar, not descriptive grammar of actual English usage that is nowadays more popular (at least amongst linguists).

But on the point of Mt. Rushmore: As a civ specific wonder I can accept it, but I cannot really understand what makes it more wondrous than many many other structures and buildings that people built in the ancient times...

 

[Afgnwrlrd]

It's american.

 

[Lucky The Fox]

What, pointy stacks of metal don't appeal to you now?

Naah, I can live with those. It's flashing stacks of metal I can't stand.

Anyway, Rushmore, Eiffel and Statue of Liberty may be crappy wonders when compared to the ancient ones, but what other choices for industrial/modern wonders are there?
Also, isn't Hollywood a wonder this time? I like the sound of that.

 

[HourlyDaily]

Mt. Rushmore does reek of purely serving the American market for sure, but I am more concerned about the inclusion of Hollywood.

I think I might mod Hollywood to give a large one-off culture bonus and then from the late 1970s onwards a -2 culture penalty per year (I'm not sure if I'm joking or not.)

The modern wonders certainly lack the appeal of the ancient ones - but I'll still add as many to my game as I think make sense.

 

[Tiger_Nation]

I didn't see that one but I am wavering on hollywood

 

[lanky316]

To be honest I'd rate Hollywood above Rushmore, let's be fair who can honestly say that it isn't a large amount of modern culture?

 

[Tiger_Nation]

yeah me too it is culturally important its just not traditional culture

 

[Eric The Fish]

I didn't feel like reading all 3 pages so maybe this point has already been made but.....

I think Mt Rushmore is seen around the world as somewhat significant just not necessarily a "Great Wonder". Hence the "Small Wonder". Perhaps a better name for it would be something like "Great Carving" or "Great Statue" or something so that it wouldn't necessarily be tied to American culture.

Another example (and probably a better one) would be to have "Great University" rather than Oxford as a small wonder.

 

[Eric The Fish]

is Hollywood a Great Wonder? I didn't notice. I think it should be, considering it's world impact. As a matter of fact I question the notion that modern wonders aren't as impactful on the world as ancient wonders. I would certainly say that Hollywood (which I'm glad they finally included), the Internet (though as a wonder to be enjoyed by one civ seems kind of inaccurate) and Cure for cancer (which they dont seem to have in Civ IV but I think they used to) each would/have had a greater impact on the known world than either Stone Henge or Chichen Itza. Stone Henge to me seems along the same lines as Mt Rushmore in worldly importance, though I KNOW stonehenge is a more impressive feat considering when it was built.

ps I just checked and hollywood is a great wonder.

 

[Superkrest]

as far as modern wonders go..i think hollywood makes a wonderful example..gone are the great monuments and acheivments..culture today is how we live and influence those around us...hollywood has pushed californiacation to the oppisite ends of the planet. if spreading cultures the name of the game as far as wonders..then i dont see why hollywood wouldnt be a wonder...an english boy may or may not ever see stonehedge..but im sure that he has seen a movie about surfing

 

[Lucky The Fox]

Another example (and probably a better one) would be to have "Great University" rather than Oxford as a small wonder.

I must say I can agree with this. Small wonders should be... how to say... unspecific. Like Military Academy and Great Epic were. And let's not forget that Rushmore and Oxford aren't the first such oddities. Civ III already had Pentagon and Wall Street.

 

[Eric The Fish]

"Military Intelligence Building" and "Major Financial District". They can even still look like the pentagon and wall street. Although this leads to the question of whether all wonders should be unspecific. Like "Nuclear Project" for "manhatten Project" and "Graet Cathedral" for Notre Dame.

I say NO. No explaination, just NO. Unspecific names for small wonders, proper names for great wonders. just because.

 

[Lucky The Fox]

Although this leads to the question of whether all wonders should be unspecific. Like "Nuclear Project" for "manhatten Project" and "Graet Cathedral" for Notre Dame.

Of course not. Although I'd still like to see Manhattan Project as a small wonder and therefore be named just Nuclear Project.

 

[Eric The Fish]

yeah, the manhattan project should be a small wonder. It has had a HUGE impact on the world (criteria for great wonder imo) but it's kind of something that every country does, like the Apollo project.