jeriko one
Exalted Fleetlord
Who will start a new game?
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MTW: Viking Invasion Succession game(s)
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Greeny
Human
As I'm sure you can appreciate Dell19, I'm currently a bit busy at Uni so Someone else can start it and I may be able to play at a later date.
BTW what are peoples opinions about using WesW's MedMod v3.12 for the next game? http://wes.apolyton.net/
BTW what are peoples opinions about using WesW's MedMod v3.12 for the next game? http://wes.apolyton.net/
BobTheTerrible
Just Another Bob
I already have it downloaded, that is all I'm playing right now. I have to say the amount of new units is great! Also their is the whole homelands concept, so basicallly the Spanish can't train any troops outside of Spain. This makes it much more challenging to keep an army, and get it to the frontier. Also most trade is more balanced, and the Atlantic and the Mediterranian are two separate seas; ie no trading/agent movement between the two of them.
I have a game going as the Sicilians in late, and it is my best game yet. Since you can only train troops in Malta, Sicily, and Naples (probably all the rest of Italy too, but the aforementioned provinces are all I control right now) you have to make a decision between Ships for trade and Troops. I took Hungary because of my Sicilian Chivilric Knights, but now the Mongols have invaded, and The Italians and I are all that's keeping the Mongols from taking Europe. As my front was about to collapse, many mercenaries were hired to turn the tide.
Anyway, that's just my feedback. There are just a few bugs, like the Polish perhaps not getting all of their units or occasional peasant rebellions with catapults only, but I would definately say it would be a good idea to use it for the Sg, of course only if everyone agrees.
I have a game going as the Sicilians in late, and it is my best game yet. Since you can only train troops in Malta, Sicily, and Naples (probably all the rest of Italy too, but the aforementioned provinces are all I control right now) you have to make a decision between Ships for trade and Troops. I took Hungary because of my Sicilian Chivilric Knights, but now the Mongols have invaded, and The Italians and I are all that's keeping the Mongols from taking Europe. As my front was about to collapse, many mercenaries were hired to turn the tide.
Anyway, that's just my feedback. There are just a few bugs, like the Polish perhaps not getting all of their units or occasional peasant rebellions with catapults only, but I would definately say it would be a good idea to use it for the Sg, of course only if everyone agrees.
BobTheTerrible
Just Another Bob
I forgot to mention, the AI expands very well. Denmark/Sweden/Aragon all expand, usually do much better than you would expect. Sicily is usually ambitiously striking at the Byzantines/turks. It is amazing how much better they play now.
MedMod 3.12 is all I play now as well. Incredible.
Bob as the Sicilians your Homelands are the Italian Peninsula, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta, Crete and Rhodes and you can build most of the Italian units there. Also the Sicilians can build some Muslim units so you can make Murabitin Infantry(Chiv Sgts) in the Almohads Homelands (Aragon to Cyrenacia, High & Late), Mamluk Horse Archers in the Egyptian Homelands (Cyrenacia to Edessa, All) and Saharan Cavalry (Morocco to Sinai, Early & High)
Here is a Excel Summary that I have made for each faction. Tell me what you think.
Bob as the Sicilians your Homelands are the Italian Peninsula, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta, Crete and Rhodes and you can build most of the Italian units there. Also the Sicilians can build some Muslim units so you can make Murabitin Infantry(Chiv Sgts) in the Almohads Homelands (Aragon to Cyrenacia, High & Late), Mamluk Horse Archers in the Egyptian Homelands (Cyrenacia to Edessa, All) and Saharan Cavalry (Morocco to Sinai, Early & High)
Here is a Excel Summary that I have made for each faction. Tell me what you think.
BobTheTerrible
Just Another Bob
I saw your posts in the .org forums, and I was actually going to ask today on this thread if you had it done. Thank you. (for some reason I can't sign up at .org)
The game (Sicilians) is a real challenge though. I am doing well, I have Russia/Hungary, Constantinople, and parts of Africa and Spain. I would have more but the Italians think they are still Rome, so they have conquered much.
The game (Sicilians) is a real challenge though. I am doing well, I have Russia/Hungary, Constantinople, and parts of Africa and Spain. I would have more but the Italians think they are still Rome, so they have conquered much.
Glad you like it. Add the Woodsmen to the Byzantine build list, I just noticed I forgot to add them. I didn't do anything about Seige Weapons because they are almost exactly the same as the original game.
Some of the prices may vary because I also noticed that I forgot to figure in the faction discounts, but at least they vary downwards, which is a good thing.
Some of the prices may vary because I also noticed that I forgot to figure in the faction discounts, but at least they vary downwards, which is a good thing.
Argh! Why does the computer seem to enjoy picking difficult battles! The Mongols could have easily taken back Armenia which the Egyptions had taken from them, largely because of my forces. So what did they do instead. Attack the only province that I controlled with a border and the majority of my army. They lost, must I lost 500 troops in the process and they could have been very useful in the upcoming Byzantine-Egypt war (It always happens 
).
).Since these threads have been inactive for some time, Matrix has asked me if they still need to be stickied, now I said that they didn't but I thought I would give everyone the opportunity to say whether they want to start a new succession game or to let the idea die...
BobTheTerrible
Just Another Bob
I for one am having a blast playing the MedMod 3.13, which should be updated today or tomorrow to include the Crusader Kingdoms faction. The battles are so much better, along with the strategic aspect of the game, and the AI. Perhaps a SG should be started using the MEdMod.
Balázs
Chieftain
Hi!
I saw the first post and wnat to correct somethings:
Huns are not Hungarians.
Huns were a nomadic people who were unified by Attila who opposed the Roman Empire around A.D. 380. They fought several wars. After the death of Attila the Huns disappeard.
Hungarians settled in the place that is now called Hungary in A.D. 895-7.
They leaded some(many) "hit and run" robbery campaing. These have been stopped after the Battle of Ausburg AD 955. The first great victory over Hungarians was in 933 at Merseburg. Until that Hungarians pillaged all over Europe. Some say that they reached Hispanian-peninsula(Spain).
Some say Hungarians could only be victorius because:
I. Unusually tactics in battles(I could write a little about that if You are interested).
II. Europe's states and "micro-states" were warring against each other(fall of the Charlemagne Empire, etc).
III. Vikings also raided Europe at that time.
After those "adventures" Hungarians began to get settled down(until that Hungarians were semi-nomadic).
The first big step was made by Géza I. who made good relationship with those Germans at the western border (descendants of those were the WELFs who always betrayed the Holy Roman Emperor, I think the unluckiest was Barbarossa) and by his son Stephen I, the first King of Hungary(see Middle Ages Conquest sceanrio).
There are some similarities why you may have been confused:
I. These two nations came from Eastern Europe/Western Asia.
II. There are some theories that Hungarians are the descandants of the Huns.
III. "Anonymus", King Laszló's chronicler wrote that Huns and Hungarians share the same origin.
IV. Legends say that Attila, the leader of the Huns may have been buried in that region(which was known as Hungary, though his "tomb" has never been found, thogh I may be wrong with this).
The similarities in names:
There is an argue about this, because some say that Hungarian comes from Huns(thanks to Anonymus) and some say that it comes from Ugor(ancient nation, with linguistic similarities, that is why historians say that Finns are the distant realtives of Hungarians[both were part of the Finn-Ugor nation, what scattered in to three major regions/nations: One of these stayed at the Ural Mountains(the eastern border of Europe) one wandered West[Finns] and the third part wandered South-west[the Magyars])]).
That's all.
I saw the first post and wnat to correct somethings:
Huns are not Hungarians.
Huns were a nomadic people who were unified by Attila who opposed the Roman Empire around A.D. 380. They fought several wars. After the death of Attila the Huns disappeard.
Hungarians settled in the place that is now called Hungary in A.D. 895-7.
They leaded some(many) "hit and run" robbery campaing. These have been stopped after the Battle of Ausburg AD 955. The first great victory over Hungarians was in 933 at Merseburg. Until that Hungarians pillaged all over Europe. Some say that they reached Hispanian-peninsula(Spain).
Some say Hungarians could only be victorius because:
I. Unusually tactics in battles(I could write a little about that if You are interested).
II. Europe's states and "micro-states" were warring against each other(fall of the Charlemagne Empire, etc).
III. Vikings also raided Europe at that time.
After those "adventures" Hungarians began to get settled down(until that Hungarians were semi-nomadic).
The first big step was made by Géza I. who made good relationship with those Germans at the western border (descendants of those were the WELFs who always betrayed the Holy Roman Emperor, I think the unluckiest was Barbarossa) and by his son Stephen I, the first King of Hungary(see Middle Ages Conquest sceanrio).
There are some similarities why you may have been confused:
I. These two nations came from Eastern Europe/Western Asia.
II. There are some theories that Hungarians are the descandants of the Huns.
III. "Anonymus", King Laszló's chronicler wrote that Huns and Hungarians share the same origin.
IV. Legends say that Attila, the leader of the Huns may have been buried in that region(which was known as Hungary, though his "tomb" has never been found, thogh I may be wrong with this).
The similarities in names:
There is an argue about this, because some say that Hungarian comes from Huns(thanks to Anonymus) and some say that it comes from Ugor(ancient nation, with linguistic similarities, that is why historians say that Finns are the distant realtives of Hungarians[both were part of the Finn-Ugor nation, what scattered in to three major regions/nations: One of these stayed at the Ural Mountains(the eastern border of Europe) one wandered West[Finns] and the third part wandered South-west[the Magyars])]).
That's all.
sir_schwick
Archbishop of Towels
We are playing Medieval: Total War, with the Viking Invasion expansion pack installed. I hope people are still subscribed to this post. I'll be PMing all of you anyway. Do you remember the play order Dell, cause I am starting a new game. I'll post in a minute with the game conditions.
I would advise creating a new play order as quite a few people probably won't be interested in the succession game anymore... I don't currently have it installed but I might be interested in joining again if enough people are interested again.
sir_schwick
Archbishop of Towels
Era: Early
Difficulty: Hard
Faction: Spanish
I'll have the next save game by the end of the weekend. Whoever volunteers can get the next spot.
Difficulty: Hard
Faction: Spanish
I'll have the next save game by the end of the weekend. Whoever volunteers can get the next spot.
sir_schwick
Archbishop of Towels
I won't be done by tonight, but I do have some good news. Iberia is secured and the Norhtern front seems quiet. I am mostly wearing down the Almohads with Crusades and saving money for buildings. Luckily the death of an Almohad prince and the loss of Grenada nad Morroco has forced them to civil war.
sir_schwick
Archbishop of Towels
Nevermind, I will be done tonight. Will be up in a few minutes.
sir_schwick
Archbishop of Towels
King Alfonzo VI : 1087-1114
My starting position as the Spanish was not the best one could ask for. The Almohads had access to both my territories. Aragon, France, and England could all reach me through Navarre. I decided that rather than fighting the unscrupulous Basques, I'd buy them out. Apparently their hate of Spainairds doesn't extend to our gold. El Cid cost a bit more to buy back into the Spanish courts favour. The Portugese could wait till later.
After gathering my forces and hiring many mercenaries, I moved in on the moorish forces in Cordoba. Overwhelmed by numbers, they abandoned the province. I decided it would be easier to defend my holdings from the south if I stopped there. My forces were not great enough to penetrate all the way to Morroco. The next move would be to attack Aragon in the early 1100s. The Aragonese King died in battle at the hand of El Cid and his Jinettes.
A war with France or England would have been costly at this juncture, so I simply started to strengthen Navarre and Aragon against attack. The Almohads were my next concern. My primary strategy for dealing with the Almohads would be church sanctioned Crusades. My first strike against the Almohads was in both Grenada and Morroco. The sudden loss of the sole heir and profitable lands sent the Almohads into civil war. I took advantage of this and used the crusades as a way to recruit elite warriors. Unfortunately I lost all but 21 of the Knights of Santiago in the final battle against the Almohads. The end result of my conquest was an empire streching from the Egyptians's borders to the northernmost of the Iberian Peninsula.
After the conquest of Muslim lands I was forced to abandon many good allies because of conflicts on the continent. First I had to choose between the French and English. According to intelligence from my emissaries, France was winning the war. I was not prepared to fight a war in Europe, so I stayed allied with them. Soon enough, though, the HRE was fighitn France. I decided to commit to the HRE, since they appeared to still be strong enoguh to offer a good fight.
My developement was sparse to save money for warring. In Valencia and Leon I have been preparing to build shipyards. Both of them started construction on their first ships when Alfonzo VI persihed. In Navarre and Aragon, development is tending towards armoured defensive units, as that will be near the front for a while. Castille is building a castle so that a monastery and Inquisitors coudl be trained. The southern territories have been mostly ignored, accept to make them semi-docile.
My monarch told his successor these things. Do not waste time in the East with Crusades or get involved in a war with Egypt. THe army in the south should help protect you for a while. Start building a navy so you have the option of invading the Italian Peninsula as well as Western Europe. Prepare to make a strong offensive against the French when the time grows right. If money comes up, develop same agriculture for when the seas are too rough to trade and support the army.
Here is the save game.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=62855&stc=1
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