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and no one trusts you, deal with it.
 
And why they trust Thorvald? I dont trust him! I dont want him to RP the NPC's. He powergamed in MPR in order to take revenge because I won him in MP.
 
point. Tani has already adequately explained the mechanic, if you can't deal with it then don't play the game.

No one really cares about your opinion so you either accept the way things are, or refrain from getting involved in something you dislike to begin with. Thats a rule of life sonny, although I suppose Greece has yet to learn that lesson considering what its national sport is :p

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Nothing Importand.
 
Thats a rule of life sonny, although I suppose Greece has yet to learn that lesson considering what its national sport is
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Also why you always insult Greece. Well, it is time to insult Australia:

You are not a real Australian. Your people were prisoners, criminals and thugs who kicked the natives out of their homeland and colonzied Australia. You dont have a history. You are a nation that was created before 100 years or while Greece had a hsitory of 4,000 years.

You may have good economy but we Greek did not steal our land and killed the natives and we have a history of 4,000 years. Live with it.

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yawn.
 
...and I was planning to "barrow" money from the Empire of China. :(

O well... that means the agents could be set on other missions.
 
Christos,

1) Please stop spamming. I get that you do not trust Thorvald, so posting it repeatedly isn't necessary.

2) While I understand you have differences with Thorvald and Jehoshua, please do not insult other players. This isn't just against the game rules, it's against the forum rules.

3) If Thorvald ONLY RPs the NPCs, what's the issue? That means he's just able to give them personalities, not control their policies. I'd still control their troop movements and spending and such.

4) No NPC can vote against you? Are you serious? I can understand your qualms with Thorvald having actual control of any NPC, but if I'm in control of them, you can bet they certainly will vote against you if they do not agree with your proposition. Just as they will vote for it if they do. I do not pick favorites.

5) Theoretically you could RP as NPCs yourself, though what makes you think you would be any more trustworthy? Thorvald was given the position because a) he's had a lot of experience with it, and b) his ability to segregate his role and his NPCs is pretty well established. And of course, c) he suggested the idea.

6) Before we talk about personal vendettas, let me tell you a small story. I was a major antagonist of IOT IV:A. After my nuking of several major powers, Thorvald, as his state of the Hetmanate, led a global coalition that knocked my teeth in. If I don't hold my defeat against him, why do you?

7) Really while the NPC GM was an excellent idea in principle, I think I'll have to suspend it for now, unfortunately, until some sort of compromise is reached here. At the very least I will need to suspend it until Thorvald is not in control of his nation.

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3) If he RP's then he can make them anti -Chinese.

4) If an NPC will vote against me because you control them , I can understand it. However if an NPC under Thorvald will vote against me, then it will be using his power to kick me out of the game.

5) Me too. Have you looked at ChristosIOT?

6) I dont hold a vendetta. He had vendetta against me and powergamed to make me lose in MPR.
 
I suppose this is as good a time as any to say that two of the NPCs are the PRC and a theocracy that also claims to be the one true China.

christos200 said:
3) If he RP's then he can make them anti -Chinese.
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I've already stated if there was a clear bias against your nation(that wasn't justified) I would step in.

Furthermore, you tend to become the antagonist of most IOTs you are in. It is only natural minor powers will dislike the nation you play. :p States that are eager to go to war or commit human rights abuses tend to become the center of international outrage.

To give an example, if a state you've laid claim to or threatened likes to vote against you, I'm not going to consider that bias. That's just logical. On the other hand, if a country in the middle of nowhere that has had zero issues with you in the past shows a dislike, then it probably will be considered bias by me.

If an NPC will vote against me because you control them , I can understand it. However if an NPC under Thorvald will vote against me, then it will be using his power to kick me out of the game.
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I keep an eye on any potential conflict of interest.

This isn't keeping in mind that you can also just client NPCs, or have someone else client them. NPCs cannot remain independent on their own.

Me too. Have you looked at ChristosIOT?
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I confess I haven't really looked much into it.

Regardless, Thorvald would ensure a great deal of hilarious antics to amuse the players I feel, which is a definite plus. He'd make them more than just a set of numbers and equations.

And, if by some offchance he showed signs of abusing this privilege, I could always take it away. If you can't trust Thorvald, can't you at least trust me? :confused:
 
christos200 said:
6) I dont hold a vendetta. He had vendetta against me and powergamed to make me lose in MPR.
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It was not him to caused the rebellion though.

Anyway I am looking forward to Thorvald's involvement, especilly as he is planning to use the Downfall Gang to play as the NPCs. Combined with plans to reinstall the S.U.D.S and I am very pleased.
 
I want to say that I trust more a snake that eats people to sleep with me than Thorvald GM'ing the NPC's.

And I am afraid of snakes.
 
christos200 said:
I want to say that I trust more a snake that eats people to sleep with me than Thorvald GM'ing the NPC's.

And I am afraid of snakes.
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What about a fox or hedgehog that eats people? ;)

Though really, as I was saying - you don't trust me to be able to determine when there's obvious bias at work and stepping in to remedy it? I try my best to be fair and impartial to all the players; Thorvald(or any other NPC GM) would not get any special rights assuming he DID abuse his power.
 
the idea of a GM NPC is very good. It was used in GaP II. But the GM NPC did not play the game. He was playing as the NPC's.
 
That still doesn't address the fact that I would review actions before allowing them to go through... :p An NPC wouldn't just be able to embargo, declare war, etc. without good reason to do so.
 
I have a feeling Thorvald will be fair.

I am going to enjoy interacting with the NPCs... especilly via the coups. >)
 
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