Multipolarity III - Game Thread

[Ravus_Sol]

Solitude nominates itself for UN Sec.

With so much warfare and wrath in the world today, the Blood Empire would not feel comfortable nominating anyone that has had any involvement in any of the wars, or any involvement in espionage and politicking against others.

As such we would wish a more neutral nation held the title of UN Sec. The only one applicable for this position is thus Solitude.

OOC: Does it end as soon as someone gets two endorsements or just that you need two to be applicable to run for the position?

 

[Tani Coyote]

If no one else is nominated, the Papacy will run unopposed.

(Will get to NPC nominations later)

 

[Darkfeather]

The Russian Empire endorses Romney for the UN Secretary General

In addition, we consider Poland's repeated threats to be a disgusting way to put Russia on edge. Screaming about disturbing the peace serves no one, and only encourages us to build up defenses and take other measures to ensure we are not invaded

 

[SamSniped]

The Russian Empire endorses Romney for the UN Secretary General

In addition, we consider Poland's repeated threats to be a disgusting way to put Russia on edge. Screaming about disturbing the peace serves no one, and only encourages us to build up defenses and take other measures to ensure we are not invaded

You call my speech disgusting. You practically call us children. And you continue to ignore what I and my predecessor have asked of you for the past 2 years. Fine.
The Third Polish Union, having legitimate Casus Belli, which is that the nation of Russia has continually acted aggressively towards the Third Polish Union, officially DECLARES WAR upon the nation of Russia, and calls upon he clients of the Third Polish Union, as well as its allies to do so as well, and/or embargo Russia and send support to the Third Polish Union.

 

[Darkfeather]

Russia notes that they have never acted aggressively to Poland, or trespassed in any polish land. Poland seeks to name us as aggressive for our taking provinces that until recently did not even share a border with them

 

[SamSniped]

Completely IC:
Shut up and fight.

 

[Ailedhoo]

The Imperium declares that in its war against piracy the navy has been given the following information: any captured pirate will be hanged, drawn and quartered. No mercy to piracy!

 

[Darkfeather]

I'd love to, midget...

 

[Jehoshua]

Comment From the Holy See on the Cassus Belli in the Upcoming Russo-Polish War

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The Holy See, notes that the territorial disputes over two provinces between Poland and Russia provide a legitimate cassus belli for Poland to initiate warfare due to the dispute being seemingly irresolvable by peaceful means.

The aforementioned irresolvability combined with Russian expansion into those provinces in contest to Polands claims, with regard to the belligerence between both parties, presumably is being summed up by Poland under the term "acting aggressively" as justification for its war using unfortunately vague langauge. Ergo Russia's implication that general expansion is what being meant is likely erroneous, as precedent informs us that taking issue with another states expansion into "terra nullius" territories is not a legitimate cassus belli, and Poland is almost certainly aware of that precedent. (ergo, attacking Russia over land that was never its to begin with would be illegitimate, [what made the Romnesian war, or at least its naval aspect, legitimate was that Romney blockaded land that wasn't his beyond his natural rights])

As such for the international record, observation clearly indicates that there is a legitimate cassus belli, and that it is summed up by the term "territorial dispute", the existence of which is an incontrovertible fact.

 

[Darkfeather]

Russia has never moved into any land that Poland owned, and as you have said, expanding into unowned land is not a legitimate cassus belli. The Polish assert that as the Russian-Polish area is running out of land, instead of meeting in the middle Poland should own all of it.

 

[Jehoshua]

We suggest that Russia looks at the most up to date map of the world, which clearly shows that there is a territorial dispute over two provinces between Poland and Russia, where both nations have moved to claimed the land and the dispute over ownership has unfortunately not been resolved peacefully (as was done in Western Europe in multiple instances via Papal mediation). Regardless as to what you have said about moving into land Poland never owned to begin with, that of course is not a valid cassus belli, although it naturally considering the nature of Russia's expansion is a likely source of the grievances that exist between your two nations, even if it is not the direct cause of this war as a cassus belli (which it is presumably not)

 

[Darkfeather]

Poland has stated that it is the reason for this war. I expect that some legality will be found that is a legitimate cassus belli, under some rather undefined terms, but Poland's stated reason for the declaration of war is illegitimate.

 

[Jehoshua]

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[Jehoshua]

Their stated reason is as following.

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The Third Polish Union, having legitimate Casus Belli, which is that the nation of Russia has continually "acted aggressively" towards the Third Polish Union...

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with the pertinent phrase being in red.

This phrase as we have elucidated is indeed vague, but it is easily applicable to the current territorial dispute between Russia and Poland and the context around it. Regardless whether they stated it or not is quite irrelevant, as the simple fact of the matter is that the territorial dispute exists, that a territorial dispute is a legitimate reason to initiate a war, and therefore Poland, no matter its other arguments and grievances with Russia possesses a legitimate cassus belli whether it chooses to frame it specifically in terms of the actual territorial dispute, or within its broader context. Although Poland of course should clarify its precise intent and avoid such vagaries forthwith.

Regardless, the existence of this cassus belli is an undeniable fact, and Russia would be ignoring reality if it denied this. Presuming that the reality can be accepted therefore, Russia and Poland should resolve to peacefully resolve the territorial dispute before moving on to an amicable settlement as to land distribution (since that IS the underlying grievance which informs the specific cassus belli).

 

[SamSniped]

Their stated reason is as following.

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The Third Polish Union, having legitimate Casus Belli, which is that the nation of Russia has continually "acted aggressively" towards the Third Polish Union...

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with the pertinent phrase being in red.

This phrase as we have elucidated is indeed vague, but it is easily applicable to the current territorial dispute between Russia and Poland and the context around it. Regardless whether they stated it or not is quite irrelevant, as the simple fact of the matter is that the territorial dispute exists, that a territorial dispute is a legitimate reason to initiate a war, and therefore Poland, no matter its other arguments and grievances with Russia possesses a legitimate cassus belli whether it chooses to frame it specifically in terms of the actual territorial dispute, or within its broader context. Although Poland of course should clarify its precise intent and avoid such vagaries forthwith.

Regardless, the existence of this cassus belli is an undeniable fact, and Russia would be ignoring reality if it denied this. Presuming that the reality can be accepted therefore, Russia and Poland should resolve to peacefully resolve the territorial dispute before moving on to an amicable settlement as to land distribution (since that IS the underlying grievance which informs the specific cassus belli).

I will once again re-iterate my statement, as it seems that everyone must have the explanation. I could say it started in the 2100s with the subjugation and destruction of the First Polish Union, the original Partitionania. However, the most recent conflict starts a few years back.

In 2502, the former President sent this:

To Russia
From the Third Polish Union
We have noticed your massive eastward expansion. It will save us all a headache if you do not come too much closer into Europe, and instead focus on the East. The land is rightfully that of the Third Polish Union, and any claims upon the Scandinavian region and/or former Poland/Partitionania will be considered casus belli.

We had discovered two old maps of the world, and we found both the original Poland, and the more recent Partitionania at their heights. This land is rightfully our land, and only small changes have been tolerated so far, excluding the Finnish settlement of former Partitionania, who is now our ally. Russia, on the other hand, was quickly approaching. The former President thought it wise to warn the Russian leader of this. As we found out soon enough, we were ignored. Therefore, the warning was restated the next year, this time with more force behind it:

TO RUSSIA
FROM THE THIRD POLISH UNION
CC: ALL INTERESTED PARTIES, INCLUDING THE THIRD POLISH UNION'S CLIENTS
I restate the proclamation I made last year. CEASE ALL WESTWARD EXPANSION. Ignoring this message yet again will be seen as an act of agression, and will provide the Third Polish Union with legitimate Casus Belli against Russia.

They did not listen. They now own land that is rightfully that of the Third Polish Union. In addition, they seem to see it wise to insult our diplomats, people, and myself.
This is why.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Cathisis: We also endorse Solitude for the UN position. If Solitude wishes not to run, then we will run on a platform of UN reform.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Cathisis: We also endorse Solitude for the UN position. If Solitude wishes not to run, then we will run on a platform of UN reform.

OOC: And that makes three looks like CivG is now also in the runnings with the Papal States Solitude Sudden Power Play Plan is a go!

 

[Ailedhoo]

In relative news the Spammers are advised to end their embargo of the Imperium of Man. Failure to lift the embargo will result in the reforms Gilmore made to allow spam being scraped as "heretic politicies," with spamming made fully illegal.

 

[NinjaCow64]

In relative news the Spammers are advised to end their embargo of the Imperium of Man. Failure to lift the embargo will result in the reforms Gilmore made to allow spam being scraped as "heretic politicies," with spamming made fully illegal.

Cathisis: Alas, we cannot do that. We hoped that the introduction of Spam into Manx would make your government friendlier and less agressive. Alas, this is not the case, as you have bullied the poor cowardly Romney into submission. So with heavy hearts, we maintain the embargo. Hopefully one day Spam will return to Britain, the promised land, but today is not that day, it seems.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Cathisis: Alas, we cannot do that. We hoped that the introduction of Spam into Manx would make your government friendlier and less agressive. Alas, this is not the case, as you have bullied the poor cowardly Romney into submission. So with heavy hearts, we maintain the embargo. Hopefully one day Spam will return to Britain, the promised land, but today is not that day, it seems.

...we did not bully. We enforced the law of the seas.

Anyrate: spam (not the food kind) has been made fully illegal in the Imperium of Man.