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Must see video of 9/11...

Dida said:
The fire that was burning at the WTC was intense enough to destroy the two towers, while the pentagon seemingly suffered very limited damage, relatively speaking. Fire was burning at ground zero days after the collapse.

The Pentagon is a freaking military fortress. You'd hope it can take more damage than a building. The video even said that the plane was made of carbon (which easily burn). Just ask MobBoss, he said he saw the plane melt.
 
The twin towers were not just any buildings. The engineers who worked on the twin towers said the builders were designed to take multiple impact from commercial jet and not collapse.
 
Whether or not it was orchestrated by the government, 9/11 was exploited and used to make the masses accept the invasion of the middle east. It was also used to infringe upon Americans' rights. Iran is next, then Saudi Arabia possibly. Americans, I urge you, please don't let this happen. Stop your country from turning into a totalitarianism.
 
no, well just keep sucking up to saudi arabia

overall i think noone knows EXACTLY what happen on 9-11 but yes bush did milk it for all its worth and the republicans still play the fear card
 
Too late Tenoch!

I haven't watched this vid yet, but I've seen a couple of others.

The ones that I saw was full of errors, so I wouldn't be surprised if this one was too. That's not the point though, is it?

4 buildings collapsed in a similar manner on that day. Two had only minor fires and should never have collapsed. There's a newsclip of a fire guy saying that one of the buildings was 'pulled', meaning demolished.

If one of the buildings was 'pulled' and it takes weeks to place the explosives to carry that out properly, the case is made.

As far as planes disappearing from radar is concerned, there were said to have been several simultaneous air force exercises at the time, in which there were imaginary blips and some blips not showing on screen. This is partly admitted by the official report.

When terrorist attacks coincide with exercises we should all be suspicious. In London there was an exercise involving explosives at train stations on the 7th of July, when the attacks happened. Here's a clip to prove it, a damn good clip too:

http://www.reopen911.org/#London

Click on Peter Boyle
ex-Scotland Yard, testify he was conducting terrorism drills in the exact same stations as the "Bombers".

Exercises are the best way to confuse security services and ensure that an attack can take place.

Then we have the issue of the Israeli spies filming the Twin Towers coming down and partying.

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

It is highly likely that the Israelis knew the specifics of the attack and didn't pass on the information in order that it shouldn't be prevented. US foreign policy since 911 is arguably in Israel's interest (short term interest) so this is plausible.

Then we have the issue with the anthrax attacks that everyone seems to forget. Who was behind that? Go and google it and see what comes up for yourselves.

What about the stock market movements before 911? Don't they indicate that advance knowledge of the attacks was widespread?

Another video of the controlled explosives theory:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/060705controlleddemolition.htm

The eyewitness reports of explosions are compelling as is the film evidence and the science of the controlled explosives theory. This is the big one, as far as I’m concerned, the rest of the theory relies on our reading newspaper reports and listening to speculation. We can see with our own eyes, however, that controlled demolitions took place. This is undeniable and is supported by the reports of molten steel being found at the sites, several weeks after the attacks. We have argued before about whether the temperature of a jet fuel explosion was sufficient to weaken steel sufficiently for these collapses to occur. The ‘anti-conspiracists’ point out that the steel only needed to be weakened and not melted, but the fact is that molten steel was found at the sites, so what melted it?

Of course the suicide pilots (I didn't see them with my own eyes but I'll take the view that they existed) were responsible for the plane hits, but they weren't responsible for the the collapses, which cost the majority of the lives.

As far as I'm concerned there's no chance whatsoever that the 911 attack happened as a result of a series of mistakes made by the military and security services and a small group of hijackers, with no foreknowledge by any establishment group. What the truth is I don't know, and I would dearly like to find out.
 
MobBoss said:
Come on folks. Even Osama released tapes saying that his organization planned and did the 9/11 events. Unless of course, you think that Osama is working for the US government...o.O:rolleyes:

That would not be anything new. He was working for the US when he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. ;)

On the subject I think there is seriouslly something fishy with the pentagon story. There are mayor question which have never been answered. The 9-11 commision was a joke. I mean the clinton sex investigation costed 40 million, the 9-11 investigation was funded with 9 million. Shows where the priorities are.
 
no osama worked with us, not for us

but really thats just a technicality
 
Mr. Dictator said:
no osama worked with us, not for us

but really thats just a technicality

Well accidently the US and him had the same objective, and the US got the idea to give him a hell of a lot of weapons and even more money to reach those goals. Technically he didn't work for you, but in reality he did do your dirty work. ;)
 
yes and i acknowledge that and dont think its right

did we give him orders or just arms, i dont recall
 
Xenocrates said:
Then we have the issue of the Israeli spies filming the Twin Towers coming down and partying.

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

It is highly likely that the Israelis knew the specifics of the attack and didn't pass on the information in order that it shouldn't be prevented. US foreign policy since 911 is arguably in Israel's interest (short term interest) so this is plausible.

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Tell me something. Are you intentionnaly trying to mislead american posters into hating Israel? You post this rubbish for, like, 10th time. Can you bring any more or less "serious" media group which printed this crap?
Do you seriously believe mossad agents are THAT stupid to expose themselves to the whole world dancing near burning WTC????

EDIT: He he, try to type "911 israel connection" in the google, and you'll get all the conspiracy, anti-semite and anti-israeli sites in the world.
 
Yep that's a good point Leha, even it is a little cheap. And one that I wholly expected someone to make.

It is possible that I'm posting this link because I am an anti semite. It is also possible that I'm posting this link because it's plausible. You choose m8. For all you know I could be Jewish!

I don't know how intelligent Mossad agents are, or indeed if these men were Mossad agents at all. AND NEITHER YOU DO (probably).

I already said that evidence from media sources was less valid than what we can see for ourselves. Unless you can demonstrate that this media is less reliable than any other, I'll ignore your protestations. But if you can give reasonable facts, I'll admit that I'm wrong. In fact I'd sincerely love to do that, so have a go.

Heres a link to one of the articles linked from the reopen 911 website that my other links come from. It's in no way anti semitic:

http://www.reopen911.org/holocaust.htm

And here is a link to dozens of other links about Jews opposing Zionist policies, also linked from my main source:

http://www.againstbombing.com/peacegroups.htm

Here's a few more links to wet your appetite:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article112434.ece

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,785394,00.html

Are you accusing The Guardian and The Independent of anti-semitism too?

Couple this with the evidence that after 911, US foreign policy has converged with ultra-right wing Israeli foreign policy and you have a good, if circumstantial case that Israel is using the US for it's own ends and vice versa.
 
Xenocrates said:
It is possible that I'm posting this link because I am an anti semite. It is also possible that I'm posting this link because it's plausible. You choose m8. For all you know I could be Jewish!

Oh, please, just don't tell me I've accused you of being anti-semitic and you only wanted to bring truth to people's ears.

I don't know how intelligent Mossad agents are, or indeed if these men were Mossad agents at all. AND NEITHER YOU DO (probably).

Let me make a guess. THEY ARE VERY INTELLIGENT.

Here's a few more links to wet your appetite:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article112434.ece

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,785394,00.html

Are you accusing The Guardian and The Independent of anti-semitism too?

I'm still expecting a link where Guardian or Independent hint on 9/11 provoked/engineered by Israel and claiming Mossad agents were dancing near WTC. Give it a better try.
 
Just so I know for sure, am I supposed to add this to the list now?

Elvis is in a UFO
Aliens landed at Roswell
Bigfoot is alive and living with Nessie
Israel aided and abetted in the destruction of the World Trade Center

Does that about sum it up?
 
I suspected that pretty much all the people who can't give this documentary an ounce of a chance would be Bush supporters.

That they would honestly believe both the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were appropirate considering that the "terrorists" came from Saudi Arabia or that Iran was a much larger threat.

I've said before that I don't give a **** who you vote for. So don't call me a Bush hater simply to advance your argument.

If you are so lacking in intelligence to find the obvious massive mistakes your President and his administration has made, you should just about now be putting a gun to your own thread.

When you people wake up to the fact that no country, not even a majority of Americans support this idiot and his cronies, I believe you will start to open your eyes a bit more and question what has happened.

Whether or not this documentary is fact or fiction, two countries were invaded for very poor reasons. Your own children have died in an unnecessary war, and coutless other innocents have lost their lives. Have you no compassion for your fellow human being?
 
Eh, there was some story going around in the 70's or 80's I think that the CIA was trying to reestablish the Ottoman Empire to control the Balkans and the Middle East. I take all conspiracy theories with a grain of salt.
 
9/11 was an act of war by the U.S. government against the American people. Yet here we are five years later, and Americans are still enslaved and dying in the U.S.'s wars. How shameful all the scum responsible for these attacks are still in power.
 
Firstly conspiracy/alternative theories are often wacky, remember the one about the Iraqi army using the robot scorpions with laser weapons from before the invasion? What about the one that Iraq had WMD's, the one that Iraqis were killing babies in Kuwait, the one that the queen is an alien reptile who likes to eat babies or the one that there was a zionist conspiracy to control the World?

What I'm saying is that a theory stands or falls by how well it fits the evidence not by whether it involves a conspiracy or not. A conspiracy is simply a group of people geting together to do something in secret. That's business, that's law, that's family and that's politics. Conspiracy is a usual human behaviour.

The standard 9/11 conspiracy theory is that a group of terrorists got together to secretly plan an attack on the USA. The alternative conspiracy theory has been very well summarised by this film (which I've now watched and I admit is better than my link and I didn't know about Mr Silverstein or the gold). The only difference is in who was involved in the conspiracy.

As far as Leha's point is concerned I can't prove that the Israeli link is correct. I can only say that it fits the post 9/11 evidence. But history is full of perfectly good theories that fit the evidence and turn out to be wrong. I have no other link to it and even if I had, I feel you wouldn't be convinced. I don't expect anyone to be convinced, only interested in getting to the bottom of it. Discounting the report just because you don't like it isn't good enough in my view. I want someone to say 'it isn't true and this is why....', then I won't worry my pretty little head about it anymore :)

This video was a very good summary of the evidence against the official story. I think that people reject the alternative conspiracy theory for BS reasons. 'I don't believe conspiracies happen', 'the media is untrustworthy', 'your witnesses are mistaken, but mine are right', 'the authors want to sell a book' or even that 'Bush is above such things'. None of these reasons are sustainable :crazyeye: . The only way to refute this film is by examining the evidence and proposing specific flaws, which no one here has yet done. :scan:

My interest in this stems from the fact that I studied conspiracy theories for an MA a few years ago. Most theories generally and most conspiracy theories are indeed nonsense, but this one smells exactly like the real thing to me.
 
9/11 is an emotive issue, but this thread should be about looking at the questions posed by the video objectively.

Discussions about conspircy theories are a red herring.

The non-conspiratory posters on this thread have made better arguments so far...
 
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