My take on stuff
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"Separation of Powers" is spelt with two As. Instead of having a lot of -ocracies, why not switch out the more obscure ones for plain English, e.g. Corporate Rule for Corporatocracy, which is both obscure and hard to pronounce.
Also, after having looked what on earth anocracy was in the first place, why would anyone sign up for a government type typified by ineptitude or inefficiency? Presumably, the Rule civic is who actually rules your country, so leave inefficiency etc. for the anarchy in between civic changes.
Also, after having looked what on earth anocracy was in the first place, why would anyone sign up for a government type typified by ineptitude or inefficiency? Presumably, the Rule civic is who actually rules your country, so leave inefficiency etc. for the anarchy in between civic changes.
If it is a general consensus, sure thing.
Anocracy: A regime that permits some means of participation through opposition group behavior but that has incomplete development of mechanisms to redress grievances.
I think it fit well in with the prehistoric era. It is meant to be one of the few civics that in a sense go obsolete.
Right I should have done that to begin with. Give me a minute... or 20.
I'd also vote for clearer names when the -ocracy isn't obvious. Though the full name could be written in the description.
RULE
Kratocracy - Rule by the strong - A system of governance where those who are strong enough seize power through physical force, social maneuvering or political cunning.
Anocracy - Rule by prominent - A regime type where power is not vested in public institutions but spread amongst groups who are competing with each other for power.
Aristocracy - Rule by elite citizens, usually a form of nobility.
Democracy - Rule by the general populace, restricted/limited or not.
Stratocracy - Rule by military. State and the military are traditionally and/or constitutionally the same entity. Different from junta. Think of the city state Sparta.
Ergatocracy - Rule by the proletariat, the workers, or the working class.
Technocracy - Rule by the academic - A system of governance where people who are skilled or proficient govern in their respective areas of expertise in technology would be in control of all decision making. Italy is known for adopting technocracy at times of crisis.
Corporatocracy - Rule by corporations - A system of governance where an economic and political system is controlled by corporations or corporate interests.
Kratocracy - Rule by the strong - A system of governance where those who are strong enough seize power through physical force, social maneuvering or political cunning.
Anocracy - Rule by prominent - A regime type where power is not vested in public institutions but spread amongst groups who are competing with each other for power.
Aristocracy - Rule by elite citizens, usually a form of nobility.
Democracy - Rule by the general populace, restricted/limited or not.
Stratocracy - Rule by military. State and the military are traditionally and/or constitutionally the same entity. Different from junta. Think of the city state Sparta.
Ergatocracy - Rule by the proletariat, the workers, or the working class.
Technocracy - Rule by the academic - A system of governance where people who are skilled or proficient govern in their respective areas of expertise in technology would be in control of all decision making. Italy is known for adopting technocracy at times of crisis.
Corporatocracy - Rule by corporations - A system of governance where an economic and political system is controlled by corporations or corporate interests.
POWER
Strongman - Power is only limited to ones capacity to take it.
Counsil - Power is shared with a council
Oligarchy - Power is shared between individuals or entities distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, education, corporate, religious or military control
Republic - Power is shared with elected individuals representing the citizen body.
Sovereignty - Power is held by one individual or entity without outside disturbances.
Seperation of Power - Power is distributed between multiple branches. (typically a presidential system)
Parliamentary System - Less separation of power than a presidential system.
Strongman - Power is only limited to ones capacity to take it.
Counsil - Power is shared with a council
Oligarchy - Power is shared between individuals or entities distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, education, corporate, religious or military control
Republic - Power is shared with elected individuals representing the citizen body.
Sovereignty - Power is held by one individual or entity without outside disturbances.
Seperation of Power - Power is distributed between multiple branches. (typically a presidential system)
Parliamentary System - Less separation of power than a presidential system.
What I don't like with those civics is that they are not mutually exclusive. A parliamentary system usually is in a state with separation of power; a republic can have a separation of power or a parliament for example.
ORDER
Barbaric - Order is maintained in whatever fashion the stronger party deem necessary.
Divine Right - The top dog is above the law, and its word is the law.
Magistrates - Assigned state officers maintain the law and order as authorized judges; usually follows a legislature, can be religious in nature.
Rule of Law - Even the top dog is as much subject to law as anyone else. The typical judicial principles followed in the western modern world.
Barbaric - Order is maintained in whatever fashion the stronger party deem necessary.
Divine Right - The top dog is above the law, and its word is the law.
Magistrates - Assigned state officers maintain the law and order as authorized judges; usually follows a legislature, can be religious in nature.
Rule of Law - Even the top dog is as much subject to law as anyone else. The typical judicial principles followed in the western modern world.
Yes, but the latter is more specific than the former.
I could rename:
Republic→Classical Republic
Seperation of Powers→Modern Republic OR Strong Seperation of Power OR Presidential System.
Any different suggestions to this?
EDIT:
I could remove the two last ones.
I could rename:
Republic→Res publica (Public Affairs) which is what the roman people called their form of government.
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Instead of thecnocracy, how about meritocracy, where people are promoted according to their ability and the most able rule the others?
Strongman and Kratocracy seem to be essentially the same thing.
Strongman and Kratocracy seem to be essentially the same thing.
We could have like Classical Republic, Merchant Republic, Presidential Republic and Parliametary Republic, but that makes far too much "republic" in here (and I don't even include "socialist" republic or other forms of republic...).
The main question here is, how is the head of government's power limited (if they are): there can be no limit, limited by advisors, by strength, by co-rulers... but being elected isn't really a way to limit power for the head of government - unless it has to be reelected, or belong to a party which seeks to be reelected.
Meritocray is already in Structure (and is a much better fit here).
They do seem similar, but "Meritocracy" could apply to most of the other RULE civics, and Technocracy does not have to be a meritocracy. That someone is a professor in economy is by no means a proof of merit that this person would perform well if given an economical authority position. Even an aristocracy could be a meritocracy, the nobility can appoint positions to non-nobility based on merit.
An inherent problem in the definition of those two civic categories. How is power shared when power is taken by the most powerful? It is shared through a contest of power.
Well, at least I wrote it correctly in all the excel drafts I've uploaded. ^^
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This breaks the game for me. C2C loads fine, but after overwriting the assets folder with your files, it loads and then stops with the following message:
Assert Failed
File: CvArtFileMgr.cpp
Line: 101
SVN-Rev: 7833
Expression: false
Message: ArtInfo: 'ART_DEF_BUILDING_ANTHILL' was not found
If I click ignore, there is another asset it fails to find, and if I click ignore again, the game just crashes.
Assert Failed
File: CvArtFileMgr.cpp
Line: 101
SVN-Rev: 7833
Expression: false
Message: ArtInfo: 'ART_DEF_BUILDING_ANTHILL' was not found
If I click ignore, there is another asset it fails to find, and if I click ignore again, the game just crashes.
Fifth draft of revised civics:
-Reintroduced LABOR
-New entries in ECONOMY
EDIT:I will rename the new corporate in LABOR to standardized; so I can rename Corporatocracy to Corporate.
Should I rename Ergatocracy to proletarian, and stratocracy to Military?
The MILITARY Category could be renamed to ARMY.
And Kleptocracy to Rougue?
Like this (name changes only):
EDIT2: Yes, Arakhor, I wrote burocracy wrong. ^^
-Reintroduced LABOR
-New entries in ECONOMY
EDIT:I will rename the new corporate in LABOR to standardized; so I can rename Corporatocracy to Corporate.
Should I rename Ergatocracy to proletarian, and stratocracy to Military?
The MILITARY Category could be renamed to ARMY.
And Kleptocracy to Rougue?
Like this (name changes only):
EDIT2: Yes, Arakhor, I wrote burocracy wrong. ^^
Are you using the latest svn? If so delete the downloaded modmod folder called buildings inside the XML folder (that you downloaded here); but I guess you must redownload C2C again as you lost the original building specific xml....
Edit: this may work; but I recommend you get the SVN version of the mod if you want to test this modmod.
sorry for the inconvenience.
