Then I guess this is goodbye wiggawuu? Sounds like you have waved the white flag. @Bibor, you certainly are a polite fellow. At the end of the day, we're talking about a game, nothing more. It's cool you took so much time to share your thoughts. I disagree with most of them, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. In a few weeks you should have a better feel if it's something to try or back to the Civ IV forums and gaming, probably for good as I would think they aren't go to regress the game as you want them to. You probably won't see a fundamental shift, given the lead guy on Civ VI was also a designer for the blessed BTS expansion of Civ IV. This is the vision.