Bozo Erectus
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Can someone explain to me why national ID cards are so bad? I dont have an opinion on the issue yet. Ive heard plenty of people saying that theyre bad, but never WHY theyre bad.
National ID Cards
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Mise
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In short, I shouldn't have to carry a card in order to walk around in my own country. I don't need the government's permission to exist 
Your argument makes no sense. The National Insurance Card/National Insurance Number has existed in the UK for... well, forever... and you need one of those to exist. Even visitors apply for a temporary number, in a similar way to how we require a US tax ID when we do business over there.Mise said:In short, I shouldn't have to carry a card in order to walk around in my own country. I don't need the government's permission to exist
The National ID card is like an upgraded version, except to upgrade the existing system would be cost effective, quick and useful. This new idea is riddled in bureaucracy, with no clear objective, and we are expected to actually buy the card!
farting bob
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Some people object to it since it stores data that may be used for other purposes without the knowledge of the owner. Also as Mise said, why should i need to carry this everywhere i go? Its also got some security issues (if someone steals your card it will be possible for them to find out all the data on the card, which isnt good since identity theft is ont he rise already.)
EDIT @ stomrbind: But those cards are not required to do that much in day to day life.
Personally i dont mind them, but it really depends on how much i end up beign asked to show it, since in 17, so by the time these comes out i'll be late teens and can expect to have to show it every time i buy alcohol or other age restricted stuff, as well as if i get stopped by the police, you must have it on you, or you get taken in the police station until you can prove your identity.
EDIT @ stomrbind: But those cards are not required to do that much in day to day life.
Personally i dont mind them, but it really depends on how much i end up beign asked to show it, since in 17, so by the time these comes out i'll be late teens and can expect to have to show it every time i buy alcohol or other age restricted stuff, as well as if i get stopped by the police, you must have it on you, or you get taken in the police station until you can prove your identity.
Mise
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No you don't, they have a very specific purpose. The government is yet to inform us on the purpose of ID cards... (actually, that's not fair, they've yet to decide what the purpose is)stormbind said:That makes no sense though. The National Insurance Card/National Insurance Number has existed in the UK for... well, forever... and you need one of those to exist!
I edited that in. The National ID card has no clear objective/purpose, much like all of Blunket's policies.Mise said:
His other great contribution was blowing billions of taxpayer's money on renaming the Crown Prosecution Service to People's Prosection Service. The man is a moron and seems to think this is the Soviet Union
Bozo Erectus
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How would national ID cards be substantively different from drivers licenses, which for all intents and purposes function as default national ID cards. How would a government be able to abuse national ID cards more than drivers licenses?
Flak
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Apparently these things are going to cost each individual receiving one £300. As someone has already has partially mentioned, there's already a ton of identification already. There's passports, driver's licenses, National Insurance cards. And unlike this ID card, each of these forms of identification have purpose. For £300, there darn well should be a better reason for these things than 'so the government can even have more information' on you.
Flak
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Good point!
Winner
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Mise said:In short, I shouldn't have to carry a card in order to walk around in my own country. I don't need the government's permission to exist
I do have my ID and I don't feel less free. In fact, it is much better to have ID than rely on some other forms of papers.
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If the ID card was free, would there be less objection?
Mise
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The fact that I don't know how the government will use it is the main problem. I know very well, however, that a driver's license will only be necessary if I want to drive.Bozo Erectus said:
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What would happen if you said you didnt feel like getting one, would the government be able to force you to get one?
Mise
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I think they're making them compulsory meaning they will force you to get one (probably through a fine or something). IIRC, the police will charge you for not carrying it if they ask for it.Bozo Erectus said:
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Well Ive heard vague arguments about security and immigration reasons for having the cards. Im not sure how they would address those issues since theres never been an ID card that hasnt been forged, since the day ID cards were invented.Mise said:
ComradeDavo
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One very 'slippery slope' argument....
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The (UK) ID card will contain alot of information about you, and you would need it to do alot of things (example - scan your ID card when you buy something with a credit card to verify it is yours). In the future it is (for example) likely that shops and so on could make yous can it before you enter, so they had a database of who was in the shop - easy to catch shop lifters that way. These are things that aren't talked about now but no doubt would happen when ID cards are in place.
So basically, the government would be able to track your movements. They could see what you were buying, were you were visiting and what kind of people you were associating with. This all opens the system up to abuse, for the government can basically monitor who you are and what you are doing. It could quite easily lead to a police state where protesting against the government becomes nigh on impossiable.
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The (UK) ID card will contain alot of information about you, and you would need it to do alot of things (example - scan your ID card when you buy something with a credit card to verify it is yours). In the future it is (for example) likely that shops and so on could make yous can it before you enter, so they had a database of who was in the shop - easy to catch shop lifters that way. These are things that aren't talked about now but no doubt would happen when ID cards are in place.
So basically, the government would be able to track your movements. They could see what you were buying, were you were visiting and what kind of people you were associating with. This all opens the system up to abuse, for the government can basically monitor who you are and what you are doing. It could quite easily lead to a police state where protesting against the government becomes nigh on impossiable.
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Mise
isle of lucy
Yeah there've been a number of "reasons", which have been suitably shot down in parliament. The government keep inventing new ones though.Bozo Erectus said:
Winner
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Mise said:
So what?
Most of civilized western countries use ID's. Maybe they know why
