National IQ test

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by JoeM


Which brings up another point, what's the point in telling people they are dumber than everyone else?

They'll start claiming discrimination from the welfare state, dumb'll become a new classification of disability, then people will start PRETENDING to be dumb, and no-one'll ever say anything smart incase they get shopped to the Fuzz, civilisation will be brought to it's knee's....AAAAAARGH!

That is some funny sh1t right there...

 

[JoeM]

Originally posted by mrog
I haven't seen the program in question but many brief intelligence tests add points for people in particular age groups. This is because they are designed to estimate the score a person would get if they sat a full intelligence test.

Is this true? I thought it's because the older you are the slower you are, so the weighting is to balance it.

I.e if I get 90% right as a 20 year old I'm smart, but if I'm still getting 90% at 70 when I can't even piss unassisted I get bonus points....Fair play if you ask me.

 

[JoeM]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2

That is some funny sh1t right there...

Cheers FearlessLeader2

 

[TheGrimReaper]

I once took one of those online IQ tests. I scored 120. Pity, I always thought I'd get better than that

The original,
TheGrimReaper....

 

[ainwood]

Originally posted by Dell19


The average for the program was over the normal average because only about 100000 took part. Now this would be okay normally, but you would expect that cleverer than normal people would do the test online...

A recent report showed that the average IQ is getting higher. 100 was "average" in the 1950's (or thereabouts), but it is higher now.


See here

(You'll need to register for a 7-day free trial though.)

 

[JoeM]

Well I think most people (with high IQ of course ) realise that measuring intellect something of an exercise in futility, but anything that massages my ego *must* be a good thing.

I scored extra points with the girlfriend too

 

[knowltok2]

I've got to go along with JoeM, IQ tests are bad. Not just from a disability standpoint, but also from a fun standpoint. Stupid people are one of the few groups it is still okay to discriminate against. The beauty of it is that they don't know that it is happening. The last thing we need is a test to let them know they are stupid.

On the question of skewed results, I notice that no one on here is bragging about the 75 they scored. I suspect that those that would score at that level either didn't watch, or didn't complete the test. Most people who aren't on the brighter end of the spectrum know it, and likely aren't going to take time to have the TV tell them so. It's kind of like running for me. I suck at it, so I'm not going to volunteer for a test to tell me how bad I suck at it.

I think you also have to look at what else was on at the time. I'd hate to make any generalizations, but I think you'd get a different score in the US if NASCAR and Pro-wrestling were both on at the same time as you test, than if they were not.

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by knowltok2
On the question of skewed results, I notice that no one on here is bragging about the 75 they scored.

I scored higher than 75 but was still too embarassed to post my score

Originally posted by knowltok2
I think you also have to look at what else was on at the time. I'd hate to make any generalizations, but I think you'd get a different score in the US if NASCAR and Pro-wrestling were both on at the same time as you test, than if they were not.

What is wrong with pro-wrestling?

I think I'm still bitter about the IQ test I took in 4th grade to determine if I would get into the gifted program. I failed it and felt intellectually invalidated for the next 8 years of lowest-common denominator public education. I want special treatment!

 

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by Greadius
I scored higher than 75 but was still too embarassed to post my score

What is wrong with pro-wrestling?

Hmmm, there may be something to this

In any case, why would you want to post your IQ here? Someone will always be smarter.

 

[Dell19]

Most people are happy if they are beating some of the people around then. On the program, all the people wanted to be average but here people will generally post IQs that are above average.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Did not see this particular test. On the many so called IQ tests on the net, I typically score 35 to 45 points above my real IQ. IQ can only be accurately measured by about two days of tests, only a fraction of which would resemble multiple choice exams. The testing includes many which test specific learning responses and pathways, and often neurological tests as well.

 

[CurtSibling]

I use spelling and aggression as a gauge.
Usually my enemies will devolve into raging trollism and begin
to spew bad spelling and nonsense quotes...
I find a lot of idiots this way...

 

[philippe]

i had a score 89 but that was becuase i didnt understand some english questions..:aargh3: :fish:

 

[Apollo]

An IQ test does not test your IQ. It tests how well you do on that particular test, and nothing more. For instance, does it mean you have a lower IQ if you get nervous taking tests? The only true way of finding out somebody's intelligence is to get to know them.

-The words of wisdom from somebody who has never taken an IQ test, so it remains a mystery even to him whether he's smart or not.

 

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by Apollo
An IQ test does not test your IQ. It tests how well you do on that particular test, and nothing more. For instance, does it mean you have a lower IQ if you get nervous taking tests? The only true way of finding out somebody's intelligence is to get to know them.

-The words of wisdom from somebody who has never taken an IQ test, so it remains a mystery even to him whether he's smart or not.

No spelling mistakes, no aggression. 135 at a minimum. Good point though, IQ tests, especially online tests, are flawed.

 

[mrog]

Originally posted by JoeM


Is this true? I thought it's because the older you are the slower you are, so the weighting is to balance it.

I.e if I get 90% right as a 20 year old I'm smart, but if I'm still getting 90% at 70 when I can't even piss unassisted I get bonus points....Fair play if you ask me.

Yes, in fact that is the sort of thing I mean. In developing a brief intelligence measure you administer it to a sample that represents the population for which the test is intended. You have those same people sit a full intelligence test and compare the results. For example, you might find that on average people over 60 do 20 points less well on the brief measure than on a full intelligence test (because of slowness or whatever)so you would then add 20 to their score to even it up. Of course this is fine for samples but introduces error on an individual basis.

Intelligence is a concept that has no aggreed upon definition, perhaps the most accepted being that it represents an individual`s ability to adapt to their environment. This is vague in the extreme, but more restricted definitions are also unsatisfactory as they neglect many abilities. When you see an intelligence test whether a dodgy online one or a full test administerd by a psychologist, remember that it is really just a set of questions designed to assess your standing on whatever abilities the author considers to be a reflection of intelligence.

Also because of the effort involved in determining norms for such tests (i.e the values against which individual results are compared) test publishers update them only rarely and in some cases incompletely. This makes individual results difficult to interpret meaningfuly and contributes (but is probably not the sole cause) to the fact that IQ seems to be rising on average.

Finally, as was noted in this thread, intelligence tests also typically have a cultural bias. Newer tests have been developed to get around this, but in doing so they are reduced to measureing ability to detect patterns or relationships in abstract forms.

 

[goodbye_mr_bond]

I hate to sound like a cliche, but those out there who are concerned about their IQ scores should remember this:

Your IQ is a measure of how well you do on IQ tests. That's all. An assessment situation, even one extended over 2 days including neurological scans or whatever, will never be a true indicator of what 'intelligence' really means. To elaborate on what someone mentioned above, the only way to know if you are intelligent is to have someone you consider intelligent, and who knows you well, tell you so. It's really too bad that entrance to, for instance, gifted programs, are barred to people who 'fail' IQ tests; it would be much more useful to have, say, teachers' recommendations for such purposes. But that would be far less 'efficient'--not to mention potentially open to abuse. Nevertheless, in the real world, that's exactly what happens; no one gives a rat's anus about your IQ--they want personal references instead.

And, by the way, CurtSibling's on to something in his comment about spelling; in my opinion, linguistic competence is intelligence. Your IQ score is just a number--you will lose lots of friends if you constantly attempt to remind them that yours is higher than theirs. On the other hand, being a good and confident communicator of your ideas will cause others to be impressed by your intelligence all on their own.

So, whatever your IQ is, read lots of intellectually-stimulating stuff, do worry about your spelling and grammar (because, in the end, that's one of the few 'windows' into your mind others have), maybe join the debating team at your school, and you'll do just fine. Nothing beats having people say, unprompted by any deliberately leading action of your own, "Wow, you're really smart, you know that?"

(Whoa, did I just sound like my grade 8 English teacher or what? )

 

[TrailblazingScot]

How can you pass an IQ test if you can't read?

Intelligence and education are two completely separate things...


As far as doing these tests are concerned I follow the policy: Ah he is too intelligent to do the test

I preferred using the "fact <ahem>" that more intelligent men tihnk of sex more often Though I would say more vividly is the real marker of genius

 

[mrog]

Originally posted by goodbye_mr_bond To elaborate on what someone mentioned above, the only way to know if you are intelligent is to have someone you consider intelligent, and who knows you well, tell you so.

All that tells you is someone else's opinion, assuming they were being honest.

It's really too bad that entrance to, for instance, gifted programs, are barred to people who 'fail' IQ tests; it would be much more useful to have, say, teachers' recommendations for such purposes. But that would be far less 'efficient'--not to mention potentially open to abuse. Nevertheless, in the real world, that's exactly what happens; no one gives a rat's anus about your IQ--they want personal references instead.

The use of intelligence testing for vocational or educational selection is sometimes critised (and not without reason) but it can help to reduce the advantage of social privilege by putting emphasis on some measure of ability.

And, by the way, CurtSibling's on to something in his comment about spelling; in my opinion, linguistic competence is intelligence.

Are you suggesting that someone who has poor linguistic ablity but is gifted in mathmatical, social and musical reasoning is not intelligent?

 

[damunzy]

Well, I have living proof that people with high IQs can like shows like Wrestling, my wife. She is a gentle (for the most part) 5th grade teacher who just loves her WWE (the new WWF). She got a 130+ on her IQ test in elementary school (a real IQ test) and graduated with a 3.89 GPA from college...this is counting the year that she was suicidial and missed most of two semesters....but did not drop a class, oh, did I say that she did between 15-18 hours per semester plus her honor's project and worked 2 part time jobs? Amazing woman....now what is wrong with me.

Grasshopper76: Lazy.